Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 5
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ecosophia
The semi-open posts I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a huge number of comments, so I'm opening another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.
2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.
3. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.
With that said, the floor is open for discussion.
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Date: 2021-09-12 01:44 pm (UTC)Over the last 20 years, I watched as post-911 war propaganda worked wonders on people on the political right and convinced them that there were terrorists hiding under their beds and we have to invade middle eastern countries because "freedom" - but the same propaganda didn't convince most of the left. Then I watched as anti-Trump propaganda did a number on the political left and turned them into deranged loons, but generally didn't work on the right (even the ones who weren't all that crazy about Trump still didn't succumb to the TDS). Now I feel like the covid propaganda is working on some people but not others. The PMC are falling for it big time, and there also seem to be some easily-frightened working class folks who are cowering in masks, but it's clearly not working on everyone.
That is the one problem with propaganda. No matter how good it is, it can't appeal to everyone, because people have different "triggers"/unmet needs that can't be met by the same approach.
(no subject)
Date: 2021-09-12 01:44 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2021-09-12 01:52 pm (UTC)Dark Humour -- or the Truth???
Date: 2021-09-12 02:02 pm (UTC)https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=premier+of+new+south+wales
Ron M
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Date: 2021-09-12 02:24 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2021-09-12 02:39 pm (UTC)If the powers that be can implement vaccine passports, they can then move to mandatory, society-wide digital identification apps with centralized databases. This would, of course, be a gajillion-dollar boondoggle for the tech industry, so they're behind it.
But digital ID also has other potential, like laying the groundwork for digital currency and linked databases containing all of our personal data. Digital currency (and possibly some form of data-based speculation) have the potential to make money for big banks, so they're gung ho.
When you have big pharma, big tech, and big banking all looking at an opportunity for trillions of dollars in revenue, well....how much further do we have to look, really?
No need for a wild Illuminati conspiracies and secret-nanoparticle-injection theories. Just follow the money!
More Good Covid Info Resources
Date: 2021-09-12 02:58 pm (UTC)https://merylnassmd.com
Also, for the many medical professionals who expect to be fired with the vax mandates, some hope from the highly experienced and energetic German legal activist Reiner Fuellmich-- specifically, after 45:00 in this video interview:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Sn6B8afPBrpJ/
Ochre Amphibious Mosquito
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Date: 2021-09-12 03:12 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2021-09-12 04:07 pm (UTC)Re: Some more reactions
Date: 2021-09-12 04:26 pm (UTC)https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/a-new-york-hospital-will-no-longer-deliver-babies-after-staffers-resign-over-vaccine-mandate/
From the article:
"An Upstate New York hospital announced that it will stop delivering babies this month after several staffers in the maternity department resigned over the hospital system’s coronavirus vaccine mandate.
At least six unvaccinated maternity staffers at Lewis County General Hospital have resigned in recent days and seven others remain undecided on whether to get vaccinated, Gerald Cayer, chief executive officer of the Lewis County Health System, said at a Friday news conference. The staff shortage will result in the hospital being “unable to safely staff” the maternity department beginning Sept. 25, he said."
In the end, Biden's vaccine mandate may collapse not as a result of the slew of promised lawsuits from governors, but because some/many/a crucial percentage of the people who keep the basics running refuse to comply and just quit.
Update to a couple of my previous comments:
I ran some errands around southern Vermont yesterday and noticed a return of masking at a number of stores. There is no state mandate anymore, but it looks like a number of employers are requiring their employees to mask up in response to the 'surge' in cases here. As of September 10, 2021, there were 141 new cases of Covid (no distinction between actual cases vs. just positive tests), 30 hospitalized and 9 in ICU, and one death in the 70-79 age range. Even in a small state with a population of around 650,000 people, this doesn't strike me as much of a surge. On the other hand, there are a ton of NPR and MSNBC fans here and those outlets have been pushing the Covid = Certain Death idea pretty hard so I'm not completely surprised at the fear level.
Nonetheless, I went about my business barefaced and nobody gave me a second look. A minority of customers at the businesses were masked, mostly rather elderly people. We have out-of-state family arriving next weekend and we intend to have a great time, as the 'fall festival' season is beginning and they're a lot of fun.
(no subject)
Date: 2021-09-12 04:59 pm (UTC)It also sounds like "Come here Nazi"
Re: Minor Hockey League making vaccines Mandatory in Ontario
Date: 2021-09-12 05:02 pm (UTC)An actuary passed this along, back of envelope numbers using CDC and VAERS numbers. (Personally I think the harm numbers are likely to be an underestimate, because many side effects of novel treatments take a while to show, such as automimmune diseases, and are unlikely to be statistically associated with the triggering event because of systemic flaws in pharmaceutical evaluation. Read Ben Goldacre's 'Bad Pharma' for a whistle-stop tours of some of the problems. But here are her numbers.) Usually I would expect a vaccine to be seen as safe if at least 100 x safer than the disease, 10 x might be seen as acceptable in a particularly vulnerable population.
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Here are links (one was scrubbed from their website, but appears to have returned) to the CDC report on myocarditis/pericarditis.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-06/03-COVID-Shimabukuro-508.pdf p8
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-06/05-COVID-Wallace-508.pdf p32
HOSPITALIZATION DUE TO COVID VACCINE Page 32: The CDC predicts that fully vaccinating 1 million male 12 to 17 year olds would prevent 5,700 cases, 215 hospitalizations and 2 deaths from COVID.
Number Needed to Treat (to prevent 1 COVID disease hospitalization). 1 Million/215 = 4651
Page 8: .2% of 12-15 year olds (and also of 16 to 25 year olds) required hospitalization and/or emergency room treatment after their 2nd Pfizer dose and .1% after the 1st Pfizer dose. Assuming 1st dose and 2nd dose hospitalizations/ER are not mutually exclusive (worst case scenario) Number Needed to Harm = 1/.2% = 500
OR assuming mutually exclusive categories and the .1% rate applies to ALL who received the 1st dose Total (hospitalized/ER on 1st OR 2nd dose) = .3%
Number Needed to Harm = 1/.3%, 333
Based on VAERS, "hospitalizations" account for a little more than 1/3 of the total of "hospitalizations or ER". (July 2, 2021 VAERS in age group 6 to 17: 718 hospitalized +1211 ER only = 1929. 718/1929 = 1/ 2.6 or 1/3 in round numbers. Thus, an adjustment factor of 3 was applied to the NNHs to derive a comparable basis. So, NNH is between 999 and 1500 for hospitalization. Note: There was no separate categorization between male and female, so this "unisex" version is used for both male and female.
Thus, the Pfizer vaccine is 3 to 5 times more likely to cause a 12 to 17 year old male to be hospitalized, than CDC predicts it will prevent hospitalization from the disease itself. (3 from 4651/1500 and 5 from 4651/999, rounded)
Page 32: The CDC predicts that fully vaccinating 1 million female 12 to 17 year olds would prevent 8,500 cases, 183 hospitalizations and 1 death from COVID.
Number Needed to Treat (to prevent 1 COVID disease hospitalization). 1 Million/183 = 5464
For 12 to 17 year old females, the Pfizer vaccine is 4 to 5 times more likely to cause hospitalization than CDC predicts to prevent it, by similar calculations. (4 from 5464/1500 and 5 from 5464/993, rounded)
DEATH WITH COVID VACCINE Using the CDC's figures on 'at least partially vaccinated' as of July 2, 2021, VAERS death data as of July 2:
Number Needed to Harm = 8,123,243 at least partially vaccinated/14 COVID vaccine deaths = 580,232
Male Number Needed to Treat (to save 1 life) = 50,000
Female Number Needed to Treat (to save 1 life) = 1,000,000
So 12-17 year old males are only 16% less likely to die from COVID, than their vaccine. Females aged 12-17 years old are 72% MORE likely to die from their vaccine than COVID itself. (16% from 500,000/580,232 and 72% from 1,000,000/580,232)
Re: UK - Rate of Infection
Date: 2021-09-12 05:03 pm (UTC)Re: PHE bulletin 22
Date: 2021-09-12 05:09 pm (UTC)see also tabs for cases, deaths, etc.
Re: It's a subscription!
Date: 2021-09-12 05:26 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2021-09-12 05:49 pm (UTC)This is not to say there is no evidence of serious material plane issues with the vaccines, but it's hard to tell just how bad they are yet, and a lot of otherwise calm and rational people jumped straight into total apocalypse scenarios based upon very little evidence. (The irony is that it's increasingly looking plausible that they are right; but we can't know if they are just yet)
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Date: 2021-09-12 06:05 pm (UTC)Re: UK - Rate of Infection
Date: 2021-09-12 06:08 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2021-09-12 06:09 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2021-09-12 06:27 pm (UTC)So it might be a data point that further supports this event being in our future...
(no subject)
Date: 2021-09-12 06:41 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2021-09-12 06:45 pm (UTC)(I've worried on and off for a while now that it might happen on April 29, which is the date that the GMO-corn executive got torn into bloody gobbets in the backstory of my novel Retrotopia..._
Re: Immune tolerance hypothesis
Date: 2021-09-12 06:51 pm (UTC)I do hope everything goes well for you. And they DEFINITELY did a good job of not mentioning ADE. It’s one thing to take them risks you know about. It’s another to find out about some of the risks after the fact.
Re: Immune tolerance hypothesis
Date: 2021-09-12 06:57 pm (UTC)Increasingly loud and shrill and especially common when Trump’s name came up. Hmmm…something about reaping what you sow?
Re: Immune tolerance hypothesis
Date: 2021-09-12 06:59 pm (UTC)