Magic Monday
Oct. 20th, 2019 11:46 pm
It's getting on for midnight, so here we go with a new Magic Monday. The picture is of Apollonius of Tyana, one of the most famous occultists of the ancient Roman world, who was among other things one of the first people we know of who revived an extinct occult tradition. As a teenager he read about the Pythagorean Brotherhood, and decided that he wanted to be a member. The minor fact that the Brotherhood had been extinct for most of five centuries didn't slow him down at all; he found out everything that was known about them, and proceeded to put himself through the traditional course of training, including the five year vow of silence. Approach occultism with that kind of determination and I promise you that you'll get good results; he certainly did. Ask me anything about occultism and I'll do my best to answer it. Any question received by midnight Monday Eastern time will get an answer, though I'm going to have somewhat limited email access tomorrow and it may be Tuesday or even Wednesday before I get to them all. If you're in a hurry, or suspect you may be the 143,916th person to ask a question, please check out the very rough version 1.0 of The Magic Monday FAQ here.
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Date: 2019-10-21 04:06 am (UTC)I started the process by looking at the possible ascendants. There's one ascendant that fits me quite well, and places the significator in an accurate spot: it has Uranus and Neptune conjunct the ascendant, Neptune in the 12th house and Uranus in the 1st; and Saturn in the 2nd. This fits me quite well: finances are important to me, but I've never been very bold with them; while I'm clearly eccentric, spirituality is important to me, even if somewhat hidden.
This also gives me a fifth house stellium (The Moon, Mercury, Venus and the Sun), which fits quite well as well; the areas ruled by the fifth house are very important to me, and my identity and emotions are strongly connected with them.
However, this chart has a sun-moon conjunction in Cancer, within less than one degree; anything which moves the moon out of that range moves either Uranus into the 12th or the sun into the 6th. Neither of these fit me at all. However, a conjunction between the sun and moon also fail to fit me: I can easily take my emotions as a study of thought: they are not central to my identity at all.
Additionally, I seem to fit a Gemini moon much more than a Cancer one; and yet by the time of this ascendant the moon is clearly in Cancer. I thus thought about looking at a chart for a day earlier, and found it fits me perfectly: it gives me a Moon-Venus conjunction, which seems to describe me to a T.
I'm a little hesitant though, because this means I was born at around 10:15 the night before the day on my birth certificate. When I looked up how often the time on a certificate is wrong, though, I found one article talking about it, which featured a woman sharing my birthday.
a) Am I right to think the article might be a synchronicity telling me I'm on the right track?
b) How can I go about checking the chart? Is it best to look at transits to the spot the moon would be in this case?
2) Tomorrow, I'm going to start to work my way through the SoP and meditation exercises you've posted, and learn divination. Would there be an issue if I posted weekly updates here for a few weeks so you can warn me if I'm making any beginner mistakes?
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Date: 2019-10-21 04:35 am (UTC)2) Sure, but the mistakes are part of the learning curve!
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Date: 2019-10-21 04:21 am (UTC)Do you think the moral panics around sex in the Victorian era, which were take to the most extreme in the US and UK, could be such a manifestation? It lead to a fairly large increase in secretive behaviour, and organized crime was tied into the prostitution business. The phenomena also looked like prior attempts to suppress a basic element of human existence, but taken further than any prior....
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Date: 2019-10-21 04:38 am (UTC)Victoriana
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Date: 2019-10-21 04:26 am (UTC)What do you think the main advantages/disadvantages are to pursuing magical and occult studies vs other spiritual disciplines? In other words, if there are a lot of roads to gwynfyd, what recommends one road over the other, in your opinion?
Some background on my question: I’ve been reading your blogs for several years, mostly for your political and philosophical content, but I’ve found these magic Monday sessions to make for fascinating reading. I’ve had very little spiritual practice in my life for the last few years (having three small children more or less eliminated my free time), but I’d like to reengage. I was reading some of your essays from the Well of Galabes this weekend, and the description of Eliphas Levi’s view of the astral light reminded me so very much of Gregory Palamas’ views on the uncreated light of God that I thought “well, they’ve clearly interacted with the same phenomenon, but I wonder what would make High Magic a better choice than Hesychasm if one is trying to develop spiritually?”
Thanks again!
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Date: 2019-10-21 04:43 am (UTC)What I'd encourage you to do is read books from various paths that appeal to you, and read biographies of people who've committed themselves to those paths. Ask yourself: are these practices the sort of thing I want to spend my life doing? Is this person the kind of person I want to become? Combine that with prayer -- lots of prayer -- and you'll find the right path for you.
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Date: 2019-10-21 04:34 am (UTC)I've been meditating on the Tree of Life and am path working a bit now. I've done the 32nd path and am about to start on Yesod soon. I hope to use this as a way to gain guidance and knowledge from the beings there, particularly for information on astral travel and rituals for increasing motivation, etc. Any tips or suggestions, particularly about if it's generally safe to test out any ritual work received from inner-plane beings like that?
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Date: 2019-10-21 05:43 am (UTC)I am not and avoid using them for anything important, including communicating with family members who have a history of bad temper, or anything I'm concerned could turn into a struggle.
Mars seems to be the most dignified planet in my chart but I don't see Mars related things as my friend. Irritability is something I have to work hard to control and I have been actively doing so for a number of years.
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Date: 2019-10-21 04:33 pm (UTC)Mars is the planet of energy. He's the source of courage, vigor, and will; he's the force that makes change possible, and gives you the strength to replace bad conditions with better ones. He's the surgeon that leaves wounds clean enough to heal, and the guardian who stops the dishonest and the violent in their tracks. He also tells you when something's over and done with, so that you can walk away and do something else with your life.
Use the day and hour of Mars for any of these things, and for anything else where you need strength, focus, firmness, and courage.
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Date: 2019-10-21 07:53 am (UTC)1. I recently started reading Dion Fortune's novel The Sea Priestess. What a great book! Early on, her protagonist Wilfred writes: ...and it seemed to me that there were two worships, one of the sun, and one of the moon; and that my love of the moon and the sea was the older and was to the other as the other is to us. And I could believe that the druids, priests of the sun-cult, must have looked upon the strange sea-fires of a forgotten worship as we look upon the barrows and dolmens.
Is the lunar/sea magic described in the Sea Priestess similar to the Druid magic system in the DMH, given the importance of the lunar current in Druid magic of that system? I'm curious why she refers to Druidry as a sun-cult (and thus a solar-current based system).
2. I recently came across this quote by a scholar named Gregory Cajete which alludes to your posts made about tamanous on the other blog, and also neatly connects the 5 elements of the DMH: It is in the landscape that contains the memories, the bones of the ancestors, the earth, air, fire, water, and spirit from which a Native culture has come and to which it continually returns. It is the land that ultimately defines a Native people. I can't find the source. Have you come across this quote before?
Thanks as always!
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Date: 2019-10-21 04:52 pm (UTC)2) No, I've never encountered that before. It's a very traditional statement, though!
Sphere of Protection questions
Date: 2019-10-21 07:54 am (UTC)Is it ok to use Awen in the final part if you are not invoking Celtic gods?
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Date: 2019-10-21 04:56 pm (UTC)2) Druids don't just invoke Celtic gods! Druidry, especially modern Druidry, is open to just about any form of worship you care to name; I've met Christian Druids, Heathen Druids who worship Norse or Anglo-Saxon deities, Shinto Druids, Hindu Druids, you name it. Druidry is more a philosophy and a spiritual path than a religion as such, so it makes room for a great many religious variations. All of which is to say that sure, it's okay to use the word Awen; as the word by which the worlds were made, it embraces all.
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Date: 2019-10-21 08:15 am (UTC)1. Does it sound like a good indicator?
2. It leads me to wonder if doing SOP by visualisation is actually more powerful than I expected. What's your view on that?
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Date: 2019-10-21 04:57 pm (UTC)2) It's best to do it with the physical dimension as well, since that brings the energies all the way down into manifestation, but it's good to do the visualized version regularly as well.
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Date: 2019-10-21 09:08 am (UTC)On the one hand they are both malefics, so might strengthen each other, but on the other hand I believe that Antares is the opposite of Mars, so I wonder if it weakens the effect of Mars.
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Date: 2019-10-21 05:10 pm (UTC)Energy centers
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Date: 2019-10-21 09:08 am (UTC)Here is a sketch:
Monday: errr Magic? Also physical exercise? You could also use this day to prepare the tasks for this week:
Tuesday, Will: This is the day to plow through all those jobs that you have been putting off or know you will put off. Just get it done and free up time for:
Wednesday, Intellect: Mentally challenging material to be tackled head on here.
Thursday, Memory: Store the successes of the previous days in the memory! Load up for next week!
Friday, Emotion: Music!? Working/playing socially, community. Or if you are in a bad mood, just take the day off (it is basically the weekend anyway).
Saturday: Day of rest, relaxation, spot of gardening?
Sunday, Imagination: Get that novel/painting/design done!
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Date: 2019-10-21 05:16 pm (UTC)Geomancy
Date: 2019-10-21 09:32 am (UTC)On to geomancy, following on last week's discussion, I cast another shield chart with the simpler question "Should we sell our homestead?" No time frames or qualifiers this time.
Ended up with Albus on both sides and then of course Populus as the Judge. IMO, kind of a weak answer to such a pointed question! So I know you recommended to another novice geomancer last week that we look at nothing but Judge and Witnesses for a while, but to me this chart needed a little upstream help. And it's a strange chart to begin with. Not only are the witnesses the same, the entirety of both halves of the chart are identical. As Nieces I have Fortuna Major and Tristitia on both sides, and above that, all active Fire lines terminate the Way of Points.
So here's what I think it's saying: selling the homestead will bring us plenty of money, but also plenty of sorrow. But in selling (and suffering) we will be able to reinvest the money (and our hearts) wisely in our new property in town and impact many more people with our example of collapsing in place than we will ever accomplish out in the sticks. The fact that the double Fortuna Major and double Tristitia are on the Niece line says to me that, ultimately, it's not about the money, nor the suffering; they are both just means to an end.
What's your take on my interpretation? And are there any general lessons to be had in a chart that copies itself on both sides?
Many, many thanks for all this every week. At this point I can't help but feel a bit like Ron Weasly in the Harry Potter movies talking about "the wonky cross thing" in the tea leaves in the bottom of my cup..."you're gonna suffer, but you're gonna enjoy it?"
Tripp
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Date: 2019-10-21 05:20 pm (UTC)I've never found a specific meaning in charts that copy themselves, but geomancy is still in need of centuries of intensive work and research to work out all the little indications like that.
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Date: 2019-10-21 09:49 am (UTC)In a Geomancy casting using the Shield Chart ...
The question was: Will I be happy if I move to the new house that was offered?
R.W. = Cauda Draconis - I’m done with the old house, time to move.
L.W. = Rubeus - Passionate involvement in the new neighbourhood.
Judge = Amissio - Losing the old house? Or losing my heart for the new house which by the way is roomier than the one I live?
Am I being too optimistic? How would you read it?
Thank you
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Date: 2019-10-21 10:20 am (UTC)I went to Cliffe Castle in Keighley and the natural history display is localised, so the maps of ancient continents show where Yorkshire was in Pangea. :)
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Date: 2019-10-21 10:28 am (UTC)This past night I had a dream featuring Pennywise, the clown who is the major antagonist of Stephen King's "IT." I am concerned that, given (1) the popularity of the movies and the book in question (and the clown-suit mimicking shortly after the first movie came out) and (2) the fact that you once inadvertently invoked Batman, Pennywise might have manifested an egregor.
Is this a possibility, or am I simply reading too much into one single image in a dream? (It's worth noting that I did recently re-read "It," so it could just be fresh in my memory, and that transiting Moon was trine my natal Mercury in Scorpio as I had this dream.)
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Date: 2019-10-21 10:39 am (UTC)I have been working with the DMH-SOP system since the beginning of the year, with daily discursive meditation, SOP, prayer and Ogham. I have yet to move on to the "transforming yourself" exercises in the SOP, because I am not clear on what my weaknesses are and how to phrase them clearly.
So I pulled up my natal chart from Astro Dienst and bought Alan Leo's The Key to Your Own Nativity. Thus far, the paragraphs relating to my natal chart have been dead on, putting things I've vaguely known about myself into concrete descriptions. I was thinking of using each of these numbered paragraphs as a theme for meditation.
1. Do you think such a beginner in DMH should be doing this? At this surface-level, it does not currently feel like I am stretching myself too thin.
2. The Astro Dienst natal chart has more in it than Leo's book describes, so I'm leaving those extra things alone. However, I can't figure out the conjunctions...are they the triangles? The asterisk is benefic, and the cockeyed figure eight is adverse.
3. I was thinking of meditating on each of my paragraphs until I really understand my natal chart, and only then venturing into the progressed chart to see what is happening to me now. Does that sound good?
4. With only this level of knowledge, do you think prayer is the only option in determining the best date to self-publish for the first time? Ogham has been able to tell me when the book isn't ready yet, but asking the date is such an open-ended question. Or if you know of a number of days before the end of the year that might be good, I could ask Ogham about each of those. Thank you.
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Date: 2019-10-21 09:11 pm (UTC)2) Okay, stop, go back, and learn the symbols of the different aspects and what angles they represent. Otherwise you're like someone who's trying to read but hasn't yet learned the alphabet. Here's a basic introduction. When you know the symbols by heart and recognize at a glance what they mean and how they relate, you can start making sense of your chart.
3) That's certainly worth doing.
4) Okay, electing a date astrologically for something like that is a complicated process, which takes a fair amount of work. A much simpler version is to use the planetary hours and the Moon. Self-publishing is ruled by Mercury, so the day and hour of Mercury is your best option; do it when the Moon is waxing, i.e., after the New Moon but before the Full Moon, for best results.
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Date: 2019-10-21 10:42 am (UTC)In the book, Wilfred ends up making a set of 4 paintings of the sea in Morgan Le Fay's new seaside home, and there's a lot to unpack in those passages about art and Wilfred's process of getting to know the sea. What Dion Fortune seems to be getting at is how art is another way of deepening one's understanding of the elements, Wilfred's own relationship with the sea is deepened through his paintings of it.
It resonated deeply with me, because last year I made a musical piece about the wind, in which I listened and watched the wind in all its moods and states, similarly to how Wilfred did the same with the sea. In the end, the resulting artwork was actually less important than the process of observation of the elements, of strengthening one's relationship with them.
The book is very good and is helping me to understand magic more and more. I have to be careful though, I am not yet finished with the DMH, and I don't want to be led astray.
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Date: 2019-10-21 09:17 pm (UTC)The interface between magic and the arts was explored in great detail back in the day, and it's worth pursuing.
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Date: 2019-10-21 11:02 am (UTC)Hello,
I recently started doing phase 2/relaxing unnecessary tension part of learning discursive meditation. It makes me yawn, a whole bunch! This didn't happen during phase 1 at all. How do I stop these giant yawns?
Thank you for your time.
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Date: 2019-10-21 11:26 am (UTC)I have worked with your Druid Magic for several years, slowly and steadily, and asked you several questions about it, including about preparing for surgery. Following your reply to one commenter last week that every ritual work should be prepared for by meditation and divination, I wanted to check back with you...
I've done the SOP for years now, and successfully done several versions of the ritual "Transforming Yourself", prepared for as you said. Lately, I've been thinking about adapting the daily invocation and banishing formulas more freely, according to the needs of the day, or the daily divination. It feels like adapting a daily prayer. Is this possible without specific meditation and divination?
Many thanks and greetings from Central Europe!
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Date: 2019-10-21 09:20 pm (UTC)Err... and one more SOP question
Date: 2019-10-21 11:35 am (UTC)Thank you as always!
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Date: 2019-10-21 11:37 am (UTC)Do you have a suggestion for a good book on herbal medicine? I live in New England if it makes a difference.
Thank you!
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Date: 2019-10-21 11:47 am (UTC)I'm at the point in Experience of the Inner Worlds where I'm putting together a shrine cabinet. Can the magical symbolic resonance that this tool is intended to accumulate be disrupted by my daily banishing rituals? If so, does closing the wooden doors of the cabinet provide sufficient insulation or should I line them with silk or something?
Thanks for your help and for hosting this space!
-Fred N.
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