Magic Monday
Aug. 25th, 2019 11:28 pm
It's coming up on midnight, so here we go with a new Magic Monday. The picture is of Carl von Reichenbach, a brilliant chemist -- he's the guy who figured out how to extract paraffin out of crude petroleum -- who ended up on the wrong side of the scientific establishment by running a long series of controlled, double-blinded experiments to research the life force and the capacity of human beings to perceive it. As usual, the response of the scientific establishment wasn't to try to replicate his work and see if he was right, but to pour on the ridicule and insist that he was wrong because he was wrong because he was wrong, so there. (There's been a long, long sequence of researchers into the same thing who got the same treatment; I may feature a number of them here.)Ask me anything about occultism and I'll do my best to answer it. Any question received by midnight Monday Eastern time will get an answer, though I'm going to have somewhat limited email access tomorrow and it may be Tuesday or even Wednesday before I get to them all. If you're in a hurry, or suspect you may be the 143,916th person to ask a question, please check out the very rough version 1.0 of The Magic Monday FAQ here.
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Dream Taxonomy and Topography
Date: 2019-08-26 04:11 am (UTC)JMG and others, especially the oneironauts among us, I'm curious what you all think of this schema, what is conceptually helpful and what isn't?
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Date: 2019-08-26 04:35 am (UTC)That said, I gather from dream literature I've read that my dreams are pretty atypical, so others may find your taxonomy more useful.
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Date: 2019-08-26 04:12 am (UTC)1. So… I took a bit of inspiration from WoH and bought a Gypsy Witch playing card deck. The cards are very friendly, but instructions for them do not abound. At this point, I’m reading them right side up because nothing I’ve encountered suggests changed meanings for upside down or sideways. (Or connected the playing cards with the pictures and numbers.) Are there any methods, titles, or websites you recommend?
2. I noticed the Adamic language (or was it something else?) in Red Hook. Similarly, the Adamic script has a significant role in Lovecraft Country – changing letters to move rituals forward and so forth. Is the language worth the time of aspiring occultists, or is it a failed theory that didn’t survive the scrutiny of modern linguistics? (Or something in between?)
3. While I realize you aren’t reading much weird to avoid influencing your own writing right now, might you say a few words about the problem of pastiche – well, the bad kind – and how to avoid writing it? Panshin & Panshin are particularly harsh critics of me-too writers in The World Beyond the Hill: Science Fiction and the Quest for Transcendence, hence my wish for creating genuine weird through the WoH RPG. (“Ooze” by Anthony Rud comes to mind – his other successes notwithstanding.)
4. Would you be so kind as to give a bit more discussion of how you developed the Church of Starry Wisdom in your WoH series and RPG? You’d mentioned the utopian streak and its influence, and I’d love to hear more. Also, the secret calendar intrigues me… new thought or… ?
5. And from the department of wait-just-a-doggone-minute-here: I stumbled across an RPG titled Ribbon Drive that lets you and your pals role play a road trip without going farther than the kitchen for more soda pop. Is it just me, or is there something very troubling lurking behind a fun evening in and a Kunstlerian chuckle? (I might try it anyway.)
6. One last thing – I’ve listened to the composers you’ve mentioned in previous Magic Mondays. Despite knowing just enough about music theory to realize there is lots of meat on the bones, I don’t know what the music is supposed to do for or to me. Advice?
Many thanks for the opportunity to talk with you and your friends in this venue.
Rusty
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Date: 2019-08-26 04:36 am (UTC)2) Both. As linguistics it's horrible, as something for Christian/Jewish occultists, it's apparently worth looking into.
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Date: 2019-08-26 04:12 am (UTC)If, as seems increasingly likely Eris was an astrological planet, it should be possible to determine which sign it rules. I initially limited myself to the four where it could take over without doing something really weird.
This left four: Taurus, Gemini, Virgo, and Libra. There are three ways I looked into it, all three of which point the same way. The first was looking at where I express Eridian influences; the second was looking at symbolism; and the third was looking at changes to the sign. Martian Scorpio is very different from Plutonic Scorpio, and a similar principle seems likely to apply here.
I've mostly worked with old astrological texts, and so I looked online, and it seems like a few places discuss anger and violence as being Tauran traits, and Taurus as described online seems to be a little different from Taurus in the older texts; my chart express Eridian influences in the houses with Taurus on the cusp; and symbolically Taurus fits Eris better than the other signs.
Are there other ways to check, aside from casting dozens of charts and seeing if this consistently fits? I know that's going to be a next step, but I'd like to avoid doing a large number of charts and then realizing I missed something really basic.
(I also figure given the interest last week, that throwing this out there will probably get a few other people checking too, and maybe people will see things I missed. Thank you all, you gave me a lot of ideas last week!)
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Date: 2019-08-26 04:28 am (UTC)I'd be grateful if you could give me a hint on how I could proceed in my current situation.
I would describe my world view as "Christian animism". I believe in the presence of God, his angels, the saints and the souls of the departed - and of course their demonic couterparts.
Intellectually I also presume the intelligence of heavenly bodies, the presence of other gods, nature spirits, and those beings that one could call "faery".
I would very much like to build up good relations and connections to local spirits and my departed ancestors.
As I live in an European country in a region where my family has been in for centuries (family tree goes back reliably to the 15th century), I would like to do this in a way that is also integrated with my culture and the history of the area.
I read your books on Druidry and feel a certain pull towards it, but I'm not at all interested in changing my religion or starting a lifelong training in magic. I just want to be able to connect to the roots of my culture and interact in a respectful way with those unseen elements that have been with us for millenia but are nowadays neglected in our materialist society.
I already immersed myself in the local history, folklore, and legends with the intention of building up a shared inventory of symbols, so that there might develop some contact in dreams/synchronicities, which I plan to track in a notebook. So far without much success. I also spend time in places that I feel might be meaningful or likely to be someones(?) dwelling place (historic sites, undisturbed nature, hilltops, riverbanks) and try to tune into the mood of the place.
Next to the things mentioned above, I pray regularly and try to write down and analyze my dreams.
Is there some basic practice that I could start, that would help me in my efforts? Or should I better leave it alone, as to not get myself noticed by the wrong critter and end up eaten?
Thank you.
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Date: 2019-08-26 04:38 am (UTC)We need a cornfield, like they used to have on Hee Haw, so we can all jump out of the corn, wave straw hats at our host, and yell “SALUTE!”
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Date: 2019-08-26 04:58 am (UTC)Many thanks.
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From:Gods in myths
Date: 2019-08-26 05:02 am (UTC)Turns out I'm not so inspired to approach jealous, lustful, quick to anger, murderous, conniving, arrogant, self involved "personages" so I figure either I've not passed the flake filter, I've not made some sort of necessary conceptual leap, I'm looking at the wrong pantheon, or I need to find better sources for myths. Or something else altogether?
Any suggestions much appreciated!
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Date: 2019-08-26 05:18 am (UTC)When gathering a plant in the appropriate planetary hour as in you ENM is there any benefit to doing it on the planets day as well?
Thanks for writing it BTW, I'm enjoying it a lot.
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From:Discordianism. SoP and elements
Date: 2019-08-26 05:37 am (UTC)I'm acquainted with a couple of people who've dabbled with it, and probably because of that I had the idea of Eris as being more mischievous than angry, contrary to the descriptions in the comments here.
The SoP is giving me a stronger feeling about some of the elements than I used to have. I hadn't realised quite how much I liked Water and Earth - they are my favorites if you can have favorite elements and now I look forward to these sections of the ritual. It is interesting as my birth chart is dominated by Air and Fire and I had sometimes seen Water and Earth as kind of alien and opposed, although I've always preferred Fall and Winter. So thank you!
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Date: 2019-08-26 12:18 pm (UTC)The SoP is good at that -- and that's one of the points of doing it. Glad to hear you're getting good results.
Nature of will
Date: 2019-08-26 06:24 am (UTC)Another question if I may.
Regarding the nature of will, you've said that will is a renewable resource but also talked about will power being locked up in conflicting spells. This would seem to imply that you can use up your available will power by doing too much magic as your will continues yo flow into all the spells you've cast. Are there certain situations which permanently lock up will and others that do so for a short time or until the goal is achieved? Do I have the wrong end of the wand?
Thank you for your patience.
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Date: 2019-08-26 07:57 am (UTC)I was thinking of getting a tarot deck as part of a memory palace, as Lynne Kelly did with standard and tarot decks in her books on memory training. My first thought was to buy a second hand deck because 1)reuse where possible rather than buy new and 2)cheap.
However I just heard your interview on the Monster Professor and you talked about the raspberry jam principle of magic. Are there any risks of getting smeared with someone else's jam, and if so how do you prevent it?
Thanks
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Date: 2019-08-26 09:13 am (UTC)1. What's the difference between the astral plane, and the etheric plane? I'm not sure what the etheric plane actually is. Does such a distinction exist in Druidry? I'm trying to figure out what's what, it seems to me that nwyfre is a different word for the astral plane, if you can use the Enaid via rituals like the SOP to work with it.
2. I asked a few weeks ago about how, triggered by accident by another commenter, the thought 'demon' starting popping up whenever I invoked earth. You told me not to worry and banish the thought while banishing unbalanced aspects of Earth, but since then, for some reason, the thought pops up right at the beginning of my daily SOP automatically so now I banish the thought with each element. I don't feel like I'm being harmed by it, but I wouldn't know how to tell for sure. What should I watch out for, and is there any way to banish it once and for all?
3. An observation: after almost 6 months of the basic DMH practices, I am noticing positive effects from them in that I do feel a bit more balanced, and also more aware of my own imbalances. Pursuing magic does seem to me to be the first activity I have done which I am doing purely out of my own genuine interest, and not somehow because of influence from society, family or friends, and it also seems that it is something I've always been tending towards, if I look back at the history of my old thought patterns and daydreams. Maybe I'm wrong with this assumption about my motivations but that's for meditation to untangle.
It has however pushed aside my musical practice/hobby. I work full-time, and the time I used to spend practicing music has gone to magic. While I do genuinely like playing/writing music for its own merits, doing the DMH has made me realize an uncomfortable psychological attachment to the idea of 'being' a musician, and all of the perceived societal expectations/perks of identification with that role. With the DMH, I'm simply more interested in the activities themselves. I hope I'm not being self-indulgent by sharing these thoughts, it's a long winded way of saying thanks for the DMH!
Thanks very much, as always!
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Date: 2019-08-26 02:45 pm (UTC)2) Just keep pushing back.
3)You're welcome, and no, it's not self-indulgent. It's not uncommon for magic to push other hobbies and pursuits aside for a while, btw, but you'll find later on that your creative life becomes far more vivid and productive as a result of magical practice, since magic brings you into closer contact with the wellsprings of imagination and creative force.
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Date: 2019-08-26 09:13 am (UTC)Systematic magical training does indeed feel like an attempt to open up more of the brain's capacity. Am I onto something here, or are these 2 things completely unrelated?
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Date: 2019-08-26 09:22 am (UTC)My wife and I have come to magic at different times of our lives, and for different reasons (as far as I can tell). She has several years of practice behind her and is into Druid magic. I am less experienced than she is and I follow the classic GD path. We don't hide our respective practice to each other, but don't talk too much about it either -- for now, this is more like a personal quest.
I was wondering about the precautions that should be taken when two persons, living in good intelligence, practice magic under the same roof, but do not follow the same path and do not really try to coordinate their practice. Our home is not very big, and we ended up doing our stuff in the same room (although not at the same time).
Up to now, we both assumed that we should be ok, as long as we leave a clean space behind. Now, I wonder whether additional precautions should be taken. It is not only about uncoordinated magical actions interfering with each other. It is also about potential turbulences in the chi, when two persons, whose lives are interwoven, are pushing in similar directions, although not exactly the same direction (which is unavoidable and perfectly fine).
Thank you so much for all of this !
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Date: 2019-08-26 02:52 pm (UTC)Rosicrucians
Date: 2019-08-26 09:25 am (UTC)I wrote you a couple weeks back about Rosicrucianism. When I wrote I had actually looked up orders in my area, amazingly one is a block from where I live and they have open meetings, but they are AMORC and I got a sense looking around that some people had issues with them. I couldn't really tell what to make of that, but then you reiterated concerns about that group in a discussion with another commenter that followed in that thread. I wondered if you might speak to those concerns?
My inclination is to check out one of the open meetings at this place right near me and just see what I feel about it. I thought I should see what you thought though, as your insight here would be valuable.
Some extra info: There is a second AMORC group in the city, but it is at the Masonic Lodge (also not too far from where I live) and I think only open to Masons. There is also a non-AMORC group in Toronto (the one you mentioned being a member of that was open to the public) but I would not be able to attend any sort of regular meetings there right now.
Thanks,
Johnny
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Date: 2019-08-26 09:44 am (UTC)These experiences were of a different timbre than simply feeling the vibes of a place in that there was instant cognition labelling what I felt I'd walked into the middle of. Would they have anything to do with becoming more attuned to the intellectual plane?
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Date: 2019-08-26 02:55 pm (UTC)TDS again
Date: 2019-08-26 09:54 am (UTC)While I certainly agree that the working class has been systematically screwed, and that the salary class has more or less made it through OK so far, speaking as a non-US salary class person, I have another angle on it: Trump has been (from my point of view, at least) a detestable person for years, starting well before his stint as President. Since then, all he's done is demonstrate an ability to please crowds, while focusing mainly on feathering his own nest. That he lacks the veneer of respectability that other politicians manage to spackle on, is, I think, the kicker. Clinton would have been equally frightful (albeit in different ways), but at least she was projecting the pretense that the political class is/was doing something generally beneficial. The fact that Trump got in demonstrates that the whole damn thing is, and has been, a lie for a very long time. Facing up to that fact can be terrifying.
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Date: 2019-08-26 10:19 am (UTC)Re: Uranus in Taurus
Date: 2019-08-26 03:14 pm (UTC)What Uranus in Taurus means depends completely on where it is in a relevant chart. If you have Uranus in Taurus in your natal chart, for example, the only time that's going to affect your financial well-being is if it's in the second house or if Aquarius is on the second house cusp. In exactly the same way, you need to check national foundation charts and mundane ingress charts for the nations that interest you in order to see if Uranus in Taurus will affect the financial sphere or one of the other eleven departments of life.
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Date: 2019-08-26 10:23 am (UTC)Towards the end of our visit she was showing us her collection of magical goods - books, herbs, candles, divination card decks, etc - that she stores in a trunk in her bedroom to keep unwelcome eyes out.
First thing our eyes were drawn to in their upstairs bedrooms was a handful of really egregious feng shui problems - mirrors across from the bed, plants in bedrooms, foo dogs on the dresser, etc - so we did some curing there immediately. (She was quite open to making the changes there on the spot.)
Earlier than that though, we had noticed quite a bit of opal jewelry on her, and I mentioned, when her husband was out of the room (out of fear that it was a gift from him - it was), that the opals might be responsible for a fair portion of the issues she was having. Again, the opal ring came right off and went on her dresser.
Long story longer, we are attempting to put together a package of recommendations for her in an attempt to get things back on track. Here's what we've got so far:
1) the opals need to stay off her body the vast majority of the time, and in a magically-insulating bag made of silk or linen, correct?
2) to reverse the bad luck of the misty opals (especially for a March Pisces) I think she should wear a fiery stone with grounding earthy qualities, say, carnelian (Sun in Virgo) or gifted diamonds (Mars in Taurus). Does that make sense?
3) she likes herbal baths, and in fact I think that's one of the primary expressions of her magic. In my research last night I came up with a bath of dittany of Crete, High John the Conqueror, and lovage. Again, mostly solar and earthy astrology, with a focus on driving out venemous hostility, getting the better of her oppressors, and improving her romantic life (because let's face it, improved bedroom relations are good for many ills:) Any additions, subtractions, or corrections?
4) their boys (9 and 5) sleep directly through the Jack and Jill bathroom from them, in the feng shui "coffin" position, feet pointed at the open bathroom door, which is terribly inauspicious. So we advised closing the bathroom door for the first night, reorienting the beds ASAP, and we're working up pa kua numbers for all 4 of them and offering recommendations for rearranging all the beds. I recall very clearly how that helped me immediately, before even sleeping in the new position! Which was one of my 1st TSW moments.
At your recent recommendation as well as the advice of my druid animal oracle last week, I will be buying your Earth Divination, Earth Magic book soon and learning geomancy, but for the moment feng shui is the design toolkit we have, so that's what we've used here. Any additional thoughts?
Apologies for the length, and thanks so much for your time, good sir. Our monthly appreciation will be on its way directly...😁
Tripp
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Date: 2019-08-26 10:29 am (UTC)Would regular performance of the rituals demagnetise other magical objects (from different traditions) that are in the home?
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Date: 2019-08-26 03:23 pm (UTC)2) It really depends on the nature of the objects and the manner in which they've been consecrated. As a general rule, though, don't banish in the same room as anything you want to keep consecrated, unless you've got it covered in silk or linen, or inside a box made of metal.
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Date: 2019-08-26 11:09 am (UTC)I may get in touch after I’m done the DMH, I want be sure I won’t flake out before I contact them.
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Date: 2019-08-26 03:28 pm (UTC)ADF -- well, that's another matter. I know some people who've found ita good home, but most of the people I know who've dealt with them headed for the exit in a year or so due to really toxic internal politics and a not very well concealed desire on the part of much of the leadership to become the One True Holy Apostolic Church of Paganism. That's certainly what drove me out.
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Date: 2019-08-26 11:09 am (UTC)I'm working through LRM and had a question about the Qabalistic Cross. At the beginning, the instructions say to visualizing oneself expanding upwards until the globe is a little sphere at your feet. Is it necessary when finishing to imagine oneself shrinking down?
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Date: 2019-08-26 11:29 am (UTC)And you replied: Sure. What kind of thing are you thinking of, though? "Magical reasons" cover a whale of a lot of territory.
Hopefully the OP will jump back in this week, because I'm very interested in this topic and just want to shout from the rooftops "Tell me everything!"
1. One question I can think of amid this tornado is in regards to karmic ties. You've said before that people often forego raising children their last several human lifetimes in order to reduce karmic ties (correct me if I didn't remember that right). Does this vary between pregnancy-children verses adopted children?
2. The most obvious reason I can think of in terms of magical reasons telling a person to *not* have children would be time. Skipping parenthood frees up a lot of time, even if one still has to work for a living. That time could be put toward turning inward.
Hopefully others will chime in as well; I'm very fascinated by this. Thank you so much.
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Date: 2019-08-26 04:02 pm (UTC)Re: Magical Reasons on Parenthood and Children
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