A Curious Detail of Natural Magic
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In the lore of natural magic, every kind of gemstone has a different effect on consciousness; these are normally categorized by the old scheme of the seven planets. Diamonds correspond to the planet Mars. Their magical virtue is that they give strength and victory in battle, but they are also traditionally unlucky, and make their wearers unhappy.
Maybe it's just pure coincidence, but I find myself noticing that it was right after a stone of war and unhappiness became standard wear for married women that the divorce rate began to soar, and many branches of the feminist movement took on a distinctly angry and bitter tone.
If you want a better-omened stone for an engagement or a wedding ring, the magical lore suggests going for an emerald. Emeralds correspond to Venus, and are fortunate for love; they were held to strengthen the eyes and the memory; and they make the wearer truthful and difficult to fool by trickery, all of which would be helpful in marriage. I'm sure the diamond merchants won't approve, but it might be worth trying to reverse the trend...
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Date: 2018-12-08 04:29 pm (UTC)Other Bad Stones for Rings
Date: 2018-12-08 04:45 pm (UTC)Could you please provide some examples?
And because someone may get here through web searches in the future, I will take the liberty to link the famous 1982 article on diamonds by The Atlantic.
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Date: 2018-12-08 06:50 pm (UTC)Onyx is a stone of Saturn, and brings depression, bad dreams, and discord; you can counteract those effects by wearing it together with sard, which is the opaque form of carnelian. (These two are often found layered, forming the stone sardonyx, which has powerful magical properties.)
Opals are generally bad luck to wear; the opal corresponds to the Moon in its waning phases, and attracts all kinds of misfortune. The one exception is the very rare black opal, which has the opposite effect and attracts good fortune of all kinds.
Those are the two I know of. Most other gemstones have beneficial influences when worn.
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Date: 2018-12-08 04:48 pm (UTC)(I clearly need to pick up a copy of the Encyclopaedia of Natural Magic; finding information on these kinds of things is halfway impossible as most sources will promise that the thing will manifest everything under the sun, and good luck picking out what it might actually be helpful for from that long list.)
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Date: 2018-12-08 06:54 pm (UTC)Deliberate Sabotage?
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Date: 2018-12-09 03:37 am (UTC)Would have looked it up in my copy of the Encyclopedia of Natural Magic, but we're moving and it's packed away in storage...
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Date: 2018-12-08 07:24 pm (UTC)The social utility of engagement rings with gemstones is that they show that the suitor has money (or in the case of a ring that is handed down in the family, that his family has money). The engagement ring is spoken of a love token, but this is chivalry; an engagement ring with a big rock is a bride price. If the fiancee breaks the engagement, she is supposed to return the ring.
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Date: 2018-12-08 07:38 pm (UTC)for us in winter of culture
Topaz for friendship!
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Date: 2018-12-08 08:40 pm (UTC)The word "conflict diamond" comes to mind... ;-)
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Date: 2018-12-09 07:00 pm (UTC)Opals
Date: 2018-12-08 09:37 pm (UTC)Lore in my family had it that opals were fine if worn by those born in October, opals being the birthstone of the month of October, but were unlucky if worn by anyone not born in October.
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Date: 2018-12-09 07:00 pm (UTC)diamonds
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Date: 2018-12-09 07:02 pm (UTC)Quartz crystals do indeed have magical effects, though nothing like as extensive as some New Age books like to claim. They correspond to the Moon and tend to strengthen clairvoyant abilities, thus the old habit of using a crystal ball for scrying.
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Date: 2018-12-09 02:17 am (UTC)And it now resides in the Smithsonian Museum in Washington D.C. where it has been since 1958. Hmmm.....
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Date: 2018-12-09 07:46 am (UTC)any indications for the metal used in the rings? My wife and I only have platinum bands, no stones.
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Date: 2018-12-09 07:08 pm (UTC)Platinum's an odd one. It wasn't in common use until after natural magic dropped out of common practice, so it didn't get assigned a planet in the traditional scheme. Plain metal bands seem pretty safe, though.
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Date: 2018-12-09 05:16 pm (UTC)For the sake of thought experiment (with disclaimer I understand your stance on fictional magic, and that it don't work. Let's say we are discussing the chaos magic idea of stealing symbolism from fiction), if you wanted to create real-world replicas of Tree Elven Rings (Vilya, Nenya and Narya), what materials and gems would track the closest? I am pretty sure that some occultist give such speculations some thoughts;)
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Date: 2018-12-09 06:27 pm (UTC)When we got married, my husband and I made the old-fashioned choice to have matching, relatively plain white gold bands. A diamond solitaire came to me when my husband's mother died during the first year we were married. The ring has been part of three happy marriages so far: it was originally a fiftieth anniversary gift from my husband's grandfather to his grandmother, and my husband's parents were happily married for over forty years. I hope that kind of history, and the fact that the ring makes me smile every day when I think of my late mother-in-law, who was my best friend long before she was ever a relative by marriage, will outweigh any bad associations of the gem itself.
Of course, the idea of "conflict" could mean different things to different people. My husband and I hope to have many decades ahead of us in which to hand each other snappy comebacks. :)
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Date: 2018-12-09 08:25 pm (UTC)Thanks
Date: 2018-12-09 10:48 pm (UTC)Reading the comments I found out that I can use the encyclopedia (that arrived before heading to Mexico)
So thanks... To you and this article I found were to search for my answers!
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Date: 2018-12-09 11:32 pm (UTC)Greetings,
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Date: 2018-12-09 11:51 pm (UTC)Magic in so many things
Date: 2018-12-09 11:58 pm (UTC)Diamonds leave me cold
Date: 2018-12-10 01:20 am (UTC)While diamond is supposedly my birthstone (Aries, April), diamonds have always left me cold. I've always liked emeralds and rubies, also garnets, turquoise, sapphires - well pretty much any gemstone with color. No budget for the really good stones, but I have a modest collection of small inexpensive ones, just because I like rocks and minerals (don't know why, mystique? connection with the natural world?).
When my husband and I were married we exchanged simple handmade gold bands. I made it very clear to him I did not want a diamond ring (or diamond anything for that matter). He has obliged, thankfully. Still married (42 years, and - yes - we've had our moments!). Don't want to think about where would be if diamonds had been involved...
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