Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 194

[ecosophia]

We are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; public health authorities government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.

5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

6. Please don't just post bare links without explanation. A sentence or two telling readers what's on the other side of the link is a reasonable courtesy, and if you don't include it, your attempted post will be deleted.

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion. 

Comments

Re: St. Malachy’s Prophecy

[(Anonymous)]

The article says that his health started to decline right after the first jab, and kept getting worse.

The article also says that he was healthy before the jab.

Whether he ultimately died from stroke or pneumonia is less relevant. The jab, or multiple jabs, made him progressively weaker over a relatively short span of time.

Re: St. Malachy’s Prophecy

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not sure the article is accurate. Pope Francis had part of a lung removed in 1957 and was always susceptible to respiratory infections. He began to have bad sciatica and difficulty standing in December 2020, which was before he got a first jab on January 14, 2021.

In July of 2021 he had surgery for an intestinal problem, diverticular stenosis or diverticulosis, which continued to cause problems thereafter. Is that one of the conditions reported to increase after the jabs? I dunno, it could be but I haven't heard of it before and it seems a bit different from the usual cardiovascular and nervous system side effects.

I have an unjabbed family member in their late 80s who had emergency intestinal surgery a couple of months ago. If they were more liberal, a lot of people on this end of the spectrum would assume it must have been the jab. But it couldn't have been, because I know for a fact that they were unjabbed. Bad things happen to the ultra-old as they "ripen towards death," to swipe a JMG phrase. (Plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery.)

I think some people label every health problem suffered by a person who promoted the vax as vax-related out of a craving for justice otherwise denied. The pope encouraged low-risk members of his flock to take the vaxxes for others' sake. Someone somewhere followed that advice and died of it. That chain of events was never identified; the pope was not publicly shamed for giving harmful advice or asked to pay compensation. If he dies of old age without experiencing any repercussions of his error, it seems almost like getting away with negligent homicide. We want to believe that people who cause harm, however well-intentioned they may have been, will suffer just consequences. So, the old-age death gets reclassified as a delayed vax-side-effect death.

But the truth is that in life there often isn't any justice, except perhaps through the workings of karma in future lifetimes which the current victims will never know about or live to see. Meanwhile, there are still some people who believe in modRNA covid vaxxes and many others who might start pushing them again if we had a bird flu pandemic. We need to change their attitudes, and suggesting that the jabs might prevent all natural causes of death (the implication, if no jabbed person is ever said to die of natural causes again) isn't going to help!

Re: St. Malachy’s Prophecy

[(Anonymous)]

No. What you are saying is inaccurate.

The article says -

"Pope Francis got his first shot on January 14, 2021, and the next week, canceled all his public appearances, citing horrible sciatic nerve pain."

The cancellation of all public appearance happened after the week of vaccination, not in December.

The claim that it was due to sciatic nerve pain may have been made to not acknowledge the vaxx injury. Such a thing has been quite common. Many vaxx-injured are claiming that they have "long covid" to avoid blaming the "highly tested" vaccine for their health problems.


The article says -

"When he was 21, Pope Francis had part of his lung removed, giving media cover to run headlines saying things like “The Pope’s Long History of Health Problems.” Except they overlook the fact that, apart from the youthful surgery, he had no respiratory problems until 2023."

Instead of repeating the official version that pope always had respiratory problems, would you please post evidence supporting your claim?

"I think some people label every health problem suffered by a person who promoted the vax as vax-related out of a craving for justice otherwise denied."

I have always argued that it is proper to consider the role vaxx played in every death as long as the official media is constantly lying. That is the proper scientific response, because the liars should not have any benefit of doubt. It has nothing to do with karma or revenge. The Pope most likely promoted the vaxx, because he was duped.

Re: St. Malachy’s Prophecy

[boccaccio]

The key issue is not that the pope was duped. That's a given imo. The key issue is that according to Jeff he got off the vaccination train and didn't inform his herd. If true, that is grave.

Re: St. Malachy’s Prophecy

[boccaccio]

Addition: my sense is that the pope could have thought it was simply unnecessary to take another jab and left it at that.

In any way, it's regretful that the few who spoke out against the jab like archbishop Vigano didn't get his ear.

Re: St. Malachy’s Prophecy

[(Anonymous)]

Add to this the controversy as to whether or not those so heavily promoting the jab actually received the same vaccines the public did. All we know is that they promoted it and for any number of reasons. The words ‘saline injections’ come to mind. With some, the truth will never be known. The pope was old, with a history of health problems; that he died is no controversy. Almost all world leaders followed the script, did and said what they were told to do and say. That these minds should act in unison, shows networks of control in place far beyond natural. With the covid narrative crumbling, some minion heads will roll, then it’s on to the next thing. The point is, the unthinking have always been cannon fodder, but the impetus to hold leaders responsible for their actions has grown and that’s some good out of it all; as well as the growing awareness that people have to take responsibility for their own heath.