Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 194

[ecosophia]

We are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; public health authorities government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.

5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

6. Please don't just post bare links without explanation. A sentence or two telling readers what's on the other side of the link is a reasonable courtesy, and if you don't include it, your attempted post will be deleted.

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion. 

Comments

Slow drivers

[(Anonymous)]

There's been talk back and forth about whether or not folks have been seeing more accidents or worse drivers or not, but I've noticed in the last year or so that people are extremely slow to react to traffic lights changing from red to green. Like, people will wait a whole 5 to 10 seconds before hitting the gas, and when they do, they accelerate slower than an asthmatic fat-activist trying to build up to a jog.

I've taken to watching the other drivers, and the people who do this aren't on their phones, aren't noticeably elderly or infirm, nor are they younger, inexperienced drivers - most of them tend to be somewhere in their 30s or 40s. I'll admit that I learned to drive in an area that expected a high level of driver responsiveness - if you didn't accelerate within 3 seconds of the light changing to green, some jerkwad behind you was going to start aggressively honking - but this seems a little abnormally slow.

Has anyone else noticed the same?

-Calliope

[(Anonymous)]

DOD removes hurdle for military personnel who left over COVID-19 vax mandate to return to service

"No former Service member will be asked to say they were not coerced if they want to apply for reinstatement after voluntarily leaving the military to avoid taking a #COVID19 vaccine," the Pentagon said.

https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/dod-removes-hurdle-military-personnel-who-left-over-covid-19-vax

seems like good news

Re: Slow drivers

[baconrolypoly]

Yes, we've noticed it too and have been wondering what's going on for a couple of years now. Same as you, we're seeing people driving slowly, not reacting, drifting over the central line, endless dithering at junctions or pulling out unexpectedly, all sorts. All ages as well.

I also learned to drive in a city and then had a few years on a scooter riding the insane roads of a city in Taiwan; it was like being in a computer game written by someone on acid, with almost no rules. If you didn't respond fast enough, you'd likely end up very damaged or dead. I honed my reaction times there and am glad of it now, because they're needed more than ever.

[(Anonymous)]

Is that to provide CYA for the military or to help the rehired person? If someone says he was coerced, does it not look bad for the military?

[(Anonymous)]

I often deal with PMC people. They are trained in a system of extreme division of labor. That means you may be an expert, and sometimes the only expert in the whole world, to treat the middle finger of the left hand. However, if someone asks questions about the middle finger of right hand or, god forbid, thumb or toe, you are clueless. You are expected to refer him to another expert.

How do these ultra-specialized "experts" verify information about anything else? For something to be considered valid by them, it has to come from an expert in another narrow field. So, for virology, they only trust virologists from some big name institution. In fact, they may prefer to go to SARS-corona-virologists, because how can someone studying AIDS virus also be an expert in SARS-coronavirus? That is their mindset, and I am talking about university professors, not small fries.

Then they take the same logic to the next level. For news to be valid, the articles have to come from the "experts" of news, which usually means NY Times. How can a blog or website tell them anything about any topic? When I talk to them, I see them verify all kinds of information by searching at NY Times and making sure the newspaper agrees.

All kinds of logic fail on them. They appear rational on the surface, but probe deeper and you find extreme irrationality because of their expertise and information verification system.

Re: Slow drivers

[(Anonymous)]

I have a generally delayed response time (autism and mild motor dyspraxia) and I often react to the light changing to green faster than other drivers.

Re: Slow drivers

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not disputing that the jab could be involved here but I have been driving since the mid-1980s. My parents insisted I take a defensive driving course at that time. Driving was atrocious then and, in my opinion, has just gotten steadily worse. I've found that as drivers age, they just seem to get lazier and lazier about observing the niceties that help to make driving a safe and stress-free experience.

Turn on the signal lights to indicate your intentions to those around you? Yea, right! Shoulder-check before switching lanes? Nope. Courteously allow a signalling driver to switch lanes ahead of you? Not a chance! Drive while high? What possible problems could that cause? Slow, careless driving has been a problem for over 50 years. It is only one of many.

Around here, most drivers still drive as if they are on the Autobahn, ignoring maximum speed limits as if they don't exist. A slow, careless driver just exacerbates the problem under these circumstances.

Caldathras

Long Covid?

[(Anonymous)]

On FB a FB friend announced that after much testing she had been diagnosed with Long Covid which she developed in 2021 the same year she got the covid vaxx. She had caught covid in 2020, recovered and still wanted the vaxx. Such is the power of propaganda. Many others piped up with their long covid diagnoses.

This to me is another sign of how people, in collusion with the medical establishment, won't accept they have been vaccine injured. 'Long covid' is the perfect cover story.

Lupron

[scotlyn]

Right now I am sitting with the news that RFK Jr's pick for studying and finding the cause of "autism"**, an individual called David Geier, has administered lupron to autistic children, following a theory that some autistic traits are caused by "hyperandrogenicity". Lupron is a dangerous and experimental puberty blocker, now banned in many states for its use in "gender-affirming" therapy in underaged children.

Midwestern doctor discusses the problems with lupron, and similar drugs, here: https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/hormone-blockers-are-very-dangerous

The Geier Lupron connection is attested here: https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/document?repid=rep1&type=pdf&doi=bdd4fc2a71542335b57edbcd77b387d3484cb514

and here: https://d1wqtxts1xzle7.cloudfront.net/40365110/Treatment_of_Elevated_Male_Hormones_in_A20151125-7614-3lxma3-libre.pdf?1448468052=&response-content-disposition=inline%3B+filename%3DTreatment_of_Elevated_Male_Hormones_in_A.pdf&Expires=1745352640&Signature=XInuSSkeBEoh0IbcN3Wx6-jkdT0ttbZmzfwJPAjljj1P77ztpGvQb6Dg6~ZHE52-rv~GabOp~tEJN5zbPOPu9J-BpNZPjAxOem-ZfU-xerPSN8Thur4eKpOnY~IwQ~7xg6Go-qdbpvZTT7gve4JVoKA3lYkGYyyClDU8EB17rPdpXUm5hyrDvapGEprwAGRMXgNVk3Bw5M~ygOq2wkWidhMpP0tm00eXnh7d5xRhPrr~5kyrz-Xfcn~9wBjqM1ue0P9BipWtYc3piutmVk3qIEj6edpvh1S1BgyJk8N7pimpbY-JGCaRW4NGbNrklqcpl9oBV0YAoa1PoiAhBk8vUg__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAJLOHF5GGSLRBV4ZA

(Apologies for messy links - they would not work in any shortened way)

Anyway, this appointment appears destined to end in a meltdown where the issues of contention could lead in many directions. Those who have argued against puberty blockers for gender affirmation will hardly be in favour of Geier's appointment. And those who are inclined to oppose Geier's appointment because - RFK Jr is a dangerous anti-vaxxer, and so is Geier, will find it difficult to explain why prescribing lupron to underage children is suddenly dangerous if you are autistic, but not if you suffer gender dysphoria (and what about underage children who are both?)

In other words, whether intentionally or not, this is by way of becoming a very large. and difficult to disentangle, flustercluck! Also not conducive to the introduction of a scientific approach to the problem.

**as if "autism" is a single, well-defined "thing" for which a single cause exists, but the
potential futility of this effort is not what this post is about.

[(Anonymous)]

It'll be interesting to see what the uptake will be in response in the US of A.

Canada's armed forces has been in such a terrible freefall for years that about a year ago the same 'forgiveness for members who left due to the mandates' was offered. IIRC all but 4% of those who were given the offer told the CAF in no uncertain terms where they can shove their injections!

Ron M

St. Malachy’s Prophecy

[(Anonymous)]

Coffee & Covid had a great synopsis on the recent passing of pope Frances. As a lapse Catholic, his response to the cooties theatre infuriated me. I can honestly say, I may never go back. They are like Francis, dead to me, but Jeff's essay and conclusion helped temper my anger, put it all in a horrible and sad perspective. One thing as an added bonus was St. Malachy’s Prophecy, which I knew nothing about. Just another log for the fire I suppose but for us 'occult dimensions of cooties' types, I figured most here could appreciate it. Full read here, highly recommend it.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/memento-mori-tuesday-april-22-2025

[(Anonymous)]

Moreover, respecting and deferring to the expertise of those in other narrow fields reinforces the validity their own claim to be deferred to in their tightly-defined field.

I know medics who deferred without question to the experts in Public Health.

[coyote_girl]

I heard it the called the silo effect decades ago. It happens in large organizations, government or corporate. It seems to be the natural outcome of any large human organization where centralized control is attempted. Eventually it becomes too dis-functional and inefficient and will collapse under its own weight. Think the Soviet Union.

In nature it is self organizing like in hives, flocks, and swarms. That is called murmuration. When it is centralized and micro managed it is called the Dunning-Kreuger effect.

Re: Slow drivers

[(Anonymous)]

Does this have anything to do with mobile phones and collapsing attention spans?

[(Anonymous)]

Hello Anonymous— I too deal often with PMC people. My family, for the most part, and most of my colleagues. Most of my friends, too. (I've been avoiding a lot of old friends... I don't know how many of these relationships are going to survive much longer.) So I am very familiar with their attitudes about experts. Many continue to read the NYT as an oracle of truth. With one exception that I am aware of, all have happily taken several covid jabs in 2021-2023.

I agree with you, that their narrow focus and information verifiction system is flawed. And those flaws have actually led to some of them getting themselves killed.

The biggest lesson for me in this whole covid catastrophe has been to trust my own judgement, and most especially, to trust my own intuition. Fortunately for me learning to trust my own judgement and my own intuition (and to know the difference) was a lesson I had already learned some years ago, so this was less a lesson really than a "refresher." I got through it very well; still, it's not like everything with me is hunkydory. I find this irrationality in the people around me continually disorienting. And, I would say, dispiriting. This forum has been a saving grace for me.

SDPM

[(Anonymous)]

Two 193's in a row, eh? Do we now start counting backwards?

Re: Slow drivers

[(Anonymous)]

Traffic does seem to have gotten crazier here since the pandemic, part of trend, but on steroids.

A slight delay in responding to a green traffic light (or "walk" signal for pedestrians) can be a life saver here - around here it is best to be aware of when signals change and then check to make sure that some impatient/impudent driver (or drivers!) isn't speeding through an intersection (this includes cyclists who blithely ignore signals and frequently travel in the wrong direction on designated bike lanes). I've also noticed at one light in particular that the left-turn arrow turns from green to red in the blink of an eye and sometimes will last a reasonable length of time (the programming for this light is apparently poorly synchronized). It pays to pay attention and proceed as quickly yet cautiously.

There's a lot of crazy driving here, mostly too fast, using the freeways and some city streets (and, presumably, some rural roads) as raceways - Yikes! Drivers going way too slow are infrequent.

Re: Long Covid?

[(Anonymous)]

It's like so many things with this whole covidian con, masks, lockdowns, "safe and effectives,"— it's a story that works well for those who don't care if you die, don't care if you suffer. So the ones who benefit from all this covidian stuff, yeah, "long covid." Works great for them. Whew, I can smell the sulphur.

[(Anonymous)]

If they join, they will be sent to defend Ukraine, right?

Re: Long Covid?

[(Anonymous)]

And moreover they blame the terrible “science-denying anti-vaxxes” for their predicament.

“Only If those anti-vaxxers took the shot (or followed the mask mandate or [insert some absurd protocol], Covid would have been over before touching me.”

Re: Slow drivers

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, I suppose it could - there's certainly been an uptick in accidents that could be blamed on distracted driving. But the slow drivers that I've been watching are watching the road and don't have their phones out.

Also, this is an extremely new symptom I've noticed. I learned how to drive at the beginning of the pandemic, since I couldn't take public transportation anymore and driver's Ed was all online instead of being a multi-week in-person commitment, so my comments about "when I learned how to drive people were super fast" is an experience from 5 years ago, not 25.

Re: St. Malachy’s Prophecy

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, Childers hit pretty hard in this essay.
But I'm not sure Pope Francis' intentions were malign; he did after all chuff down 3 of the shots himself until, apparently, realizing he'd made a mistake. But not before driving millions of other Catholics to take the things.

Just shows how much damage you can do if you deceive the shepherd.

- Cicada Grove

Re: Slow drivers

[(Anonymous)]

Another possible cause medical Mary Jane. Blueberry

[ecosophia]

No, I just fix the typo.

Re: St. Malachy’s Prophecy

[stubborn_ass]

FWIW, other prophecies say Francis was to be the last pope.... apparently too many scandals can't be covered up anymore which would greatly shake the papacy heirarchy. We'll see by the end of the year..

I thought it was a very well-written essay... sent it to a catholic friend whom I'm not sure will read it. While he said he has cautioned his kids that the pope is not necessarily the church, yet when the pope was in Singapore just a few months ago, they were among the huge crowds that signed up for the lottery to see him in person in some stadium etc. This friend was barred from attending Mass for almost 2 years when the local catholic church went along with the govt diktats that the unvexed were unclean. As I often reminded him, did that make him less of a 'catholic' by not being able to go to church? He was adamant that since his faith is sincere, he was fine. So when the church reopened it's doors fully, he rushed back in with his family. *sigh* Somehow he couldn't see the obvious ... that true spirituality and sincerity comes from within, not via a over-arching church organization. Sadly he is like most people, doesn't have to be PMC class though they're the worst, where the obvious lies and contradictins are right in front of them, and they blithely ignore it and move on as programmed.