Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 156

[ecosophia]

This post concludes the third year of these open posts. As the phrase "died suddenly" repeats in the mass media like a mantra, statistics for work days lost to illness and all-cause mortality mount up in heavily vaccinated nations, and more and more ugly facts about the official response to Covid spill out into public, we are entering what may well turn out to be the most difficult period of the Covid disaster -- the phase in which denial rises in lockstep with the death rate, and a great many people try not to admit what has been done to them by the people and institutions they trusted. It could get ugly, folks.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

Comments

Czech data

[transcriberb]

Oops, sorry, JMG, I left a comment on Magic Monday (after the deadline), not realizing that I was posting on Magic Monday; I had thought I was posting on the covid forum.

My comment was about Steve Kirsch's posts on the Czech data-- that, speaking of shoes about to drop, this looks to me like a one big hobnailed boot dropped.

His latest post on the Czech data:

"A closer look at the Czech Republic data confirms the mRNA vaccines are too deadly to be used
Several people have replicated my work and agree with me. I'll list here the new attacks and why they all fail to explain the data so you can decide for yourself who to believe."
Steve Kirsch, Jul 30, 2024
https://kirschsubstack.com/p/a-closer-look-at-the-czech-data-confirms

Re: Czech data

[stubborn_ass]

At this point, if a normie hasn't developed a gut instinct that the jab is bad, he won't change his mind, even if everyone around him 'died suddenly'. So I feel that the focus on that type of 'data' is a bit of a misplaced effort. Whereas the studies, like the ones from S Korea, combing through a large-scale database with a few millions of jabbed folks showing a noted increase in neuro issues - those are much more useful and can't be disputed, while confirming the anec-data observations that we had been making for a while. When placed in context next to the large scale studies of the Dutch and German health databases showing a marked increase in clinic visits for 'mental' issues after the jab rollout, one can then make the statement that many people are slowly losing their minds, and it's not hyperbole. Many such people can rely on a lifetime ot habit to cover up for cognitive shortfall for period of time, heck they can still be smooth talkers yakking basically nonsense for a living, so no way, no how, can they process truly 'new' info that the jab is making them sicker and even more brain-dead.

As for Steve Kirsch himself... he just had the issue of going blind in 1 eye, yah? Detached retinas, double vision and other ocular abnomalies is dirt common for the shot. I had a friend who had the double vision issue soon after his 1st jab (and was still not granted permission to be exempt from further shots), and it took like the 3rd or 4th ophthalmologist to admit that it was jab-related. Google censorship was not so severe at the start and I could show my friend that there were tons of forums with folks complaining about the same exact issue as him... one forum had a rough count of 2K unique posters recounting their 'experience'..

The spike attacks and degrades the myelin sheath... which protects the brain connection to the eyes/ears/central nervous system etc. Just by coincidence, my wife attended a high school reunion last night, most folks she hasn't seen in over 30 years... and one lady had a very expensive hearing aid that she was frantic in looking for after it dropped somewhere. When I related that to my group, it was mentioned that someone's young sister had friend who insisted on staying 'up to date' on her boosters before a trip, and promptly lost her hearing and couldn't travel after that.

Anyways, while I haven't read Kirsch posts in over a year, I don't recall him ever talking about doing any proper detox protocols, especially since he's taken 2 shots. That implies the damage, while not obvious at first, may still be building and building. After all these time, he can't be in denial about the toxicity of the shots, so why did it not occur to him to 'play safe' and detox properly while maintaining vigilance against shedding? Not trying to attack the messenger per se, just think his energies are quite mis-focused. I saw that the first thing he did was to fly to see an eye doctor elsewhere in Cali. Hmm... plane = enclosed environment = high shedding load with recycled air. Another aside is that with so much info that has come out about how many compromised doctors in both the regulatory agencies and lower levels were aiding and abetting the jab rollouts, despite unprecedented level of obvious vex injuries, why is he still instinctively trusting his 'doctor'? There's too many little red flags that make me a bit uneasy with him.

Re: Czech data

[transcriberb]

Hi Stubborn,

Thanks for your comment.

Re: "At this point, if a normie hasn't developed a gut instinct that the jab is bad, he won't change his mind, even if everyone around him 'died suddenly'. "

I fully agree with you about that, sadly.

I do think that things like the Czech data are very important however, as it serves for the arsenals of those who have already woken up and are determined to do something— and that includes a good number of elected officials and many others, almost all of them well below the MSM radar, but nonethelss active in the fight for medical freedom.

Also-- and this is my own main focus-- there is the paper trail / historical record to think of. And I think that's where a lot of Steve Kirsch's work has great value. He's documenting that the authorities had the information that people were dying and getting injured by the jabs, and/or they were advised of the information that people were dying and getting injured ny the jabs, and then... crickets. Over and over and over again. It starts to seem like so much pointless theater, however, it does matter. Maybe not to the jabbed up normies who will keep on jabbing until they can't, and maybe not in the short to medium term for the rest of us, but, again, I insist, it matters.

About detox. I don't have the link at hand, but I clearly recall that Kirsch mentioned what he's doing to detox from his jabs-- it was a rather astonishingly long list of things, (my impression was, he was throwing the proverbial kitchen sink at it, mainly FLCCC protocols) -- so he has been doing something for himself for a long while now.

Nurse Angela, who's on the weekly livestreams he does for his Vaccine Safety Research Foundation, also helps direct people who ask about various resources for the jab injured.


As I recall, back when the cooties jabs rolled out in 2021, ASAP, Kirsch took two. I transcribed his story about how he realized something was wrong-- and it was impressive to me then, and only moreso now, that when faced with concrete, empirical evidence, he recognized it, pivoted immediately, and started to speak out.

Re: Czech data

[stubborn_ass]

Ok thanks for clarifying more about Steve. I guess my scepticism rose from the fact that even as he gained a certain degree of prominence in the public space, the system pretty much left him alone. His wealth would never be a real insulator as the system can just make up charges as it went along, if it deemed someone was threatening to the status quo, as they've done to much less prominent folk advocating for medical freedom / actual knowledge. He's deemed to be the acceptable 'safety valve' for all the budding frustrations - that was my assessment. I will give him more benefit of the doubt going forward though... thanks.

Re: Czech data

[(Anonymous)]

That's an important point, that no matter how much money and status a person has, if the "the system"-- I'd say, specific actors in the Deep State-- want to nail you, they certainly can, and in 5,798 ways from Tuesday including "heart attack," "car accident," and "suicide." I have more I could say about this, but that would go off-topic for this forum.

I'll suffice to say, I don't think human beings are the whole story here.

Kirsch is undoubtedly well-lawyered up-- so he's somewhat protected by that, and it shows in the way he presents information / paper trails. But for standing up and speaking out Kirsch has lost a lot. I don't know all the details, and I don't even know him, apart from regularly reading his substack regularly and watching his rumble channel over the past few years. I do know the sociologial milieu of Silicon Valley, so it doe snot surprise me in the least that for standing up against "the narrative" as he has, Kirsch lost most of his previous social life-- and that's got to have been extremely tough on him, on his marriage, and on his kids. (Yeah, well, don't almost all of of us here know all about that...) And now, to his old world, he's just some kind of fringy, freaky, icky character. And yet he keeps going. He's sort of like Mr Misinformation Spreader / Energizer Bunny— that's what I think of when I read his typical blog post.

That said, I'm here on this forum, and I doubt that Kirch ever would be-- I'm not entirely on his wave length, so to say, nor, I expect, would he ever be on mine. I don't see this whole covidian thing as all unfolding on the material plane; I perceive that there are other dimensions to it-- etheric, astral, and to the point, just a whole lot of bad actors on the astral getting into people's minds and doing some serious mind-fadoodle.

I don't think any of us here (or anywhere) has the whole story, every nook and cranny and backstory and identify every player. My operating assumption at this time is that Kirsch, with the financial and personal resources that he has, is answering the call to play a specific role as a warrior for humanity. And for that, I am very grateful to him.

This is my take on it now. Could change. We'll see.

PS The Vaccine Safety Research Foundation livestreams are free, and you can ask questions of the guests and also of the staff. There's some excellent information there, and many jab injured people have found help there.
https://rumble.com/c/VaccineSafetyResearchFoundation

Re: Czech data

[(Anonymous)]

Speaking of the Vaccine Safety Research Foundation:

COPY PASTE from a Substack post:
https://kirschsubstack.com/p/vsrf-live-episode-137-covid-legal

VSRF LIVE: Episode 137 - COVID Legal Victories Update...Will History Repeat in the Next Pandemic?
Thursday, August 1st: 7pm Eastern | 4pm Pacific
Steve Kirsch Aug 1, 2024

On tonight’s VSRF LIVE we feature a panel of COVID litigators who will discuss recent major wins in the fight against illegal COVID mandates and their harmful repercussions, including the proper re-classification of C19 “vaccines” as therapeutic drugs which cannot be mandated, as well as employer mandate, hospital protocols, and related cases that have received favorable judgements by the courts.

Also, and what I’m most excited about, we will discuss what these wins mean for future pandemic responses.

First we welcome our good friend and previous guest, attorney Warner Mendenhall, along with attorney Jeremy Friedman – both currently pursuing a number of important cases including a massive class action against the University of California Board of Regents with our very own Nurse Angela as one of the plaintiffs.

We also welcome attorney Danielle Runyan, who continues to proudly serve our nation as a member of the United States Air Force. Ms. Runyon serves as senior counsel for First Liberty Institute, defending and protecting religious freedom. Her continuous commitment to leadership and public service earned her the Department of Defense Spirit of Service Award in May of 2021.

We will do a deep dive into some of the more recent pivotal case victories and what they mean for setting precedent against future health-related human rights abuses by government. Some key cases we will discuss include: Health Freedom vs. LAUSD (Los Angeles Unified School District) where it was decided that mandating C19 injections, which do not stop virus transmission, may be distinguished from the smallpox vaccine mandates at issue in the pivotal Jacobson v. Massachusetts decision that has been the controlling precedent calling vaccine mandates constitutional since the early 20th Century. We’ll also look into the United Airlines case where the Northern District of Texas, Fifth Circuit, recently ruled that all United Airlines employees put on unpaid leave despite having a religious exemption to the Covid-19 injections can join Sambrano v. United Airlines, making the case one of the largest religious discrimination class action lawsuits in history. We’ll also be discussing the recent Navy Seals vs. Biden case where the military will be forced to expunge any service member records documenting a refusal to take the COVID vaccines. Time permitting, we’ll also cover the important First Amendment controversy in Murthy v. Biden and discuss where the fight to combat medical censorship currently stands.

Join us for this inspiring show where we will see the fruits of our many labors as we fight to maintain health sovereignty and medical autonomy. And most importantly, ensure that these legal victories enshrine our rights should these events ever come our way again!

LINK TO RUMBLE: https://rumble.com/v59828k-vsrf-live-137-covid-legal-victories-update.html

Re: Czech data

[(Anonymous)]

My wife was diagnosed earlier this year with a "schwannoma" or a tumor on the nerve between the brain and the ear. The Schwann cells are involved in myelation, but just how is above my pay grade. It's "benign," (whatever the heck that means for a tumor.) Seems not to be growing quickly. Just prior to the diagnosis, she experienced a lot of strange visual symptoms that I wrote about here. Those symptoms have been obviated by eye exercises from a specialist. I think it was the tumor, and the exercises allow her to compensate.

It is apparently one of the more common types of tumor. Somewhere I read that something like 1 in 3000 people will get one at some point in their life.

Wife is triple jabbed. I can't stop wondering. But she won't hear any of my anecdotal speculations, regardless.

Re: Czech data

[(Anonymous)]

May she find the healing that is best for her.

I can appreciate how upsetting this must be for you because I too have close family members who have what appear to me to be injuries following their jabs. Of course any one thing might have happened without the jabs-- but there are too many of them. They won't listen to anything but the TV, mainstream press, and whatever their doctors say. But they will take some teas I make for them once in a while. (Anise, dandeloin, white pine, and so on.) I take some prophylactic ivermectin for shedding. They think I'm nuts. But hey, I'm not the one with any problems.

Family members

[(Anonymous)]

Living with a spouse who is mentally and physically deteriorating is very painful, especially if you had the same 2 mod jibs. He had all the boosters which were refused but now there is myocarditis to deal with and no hope to be able to help others with the progression as it unfolds. Speaking about the situation is not possible. The non humans are perhaps providing freedom from misery by making early liberation from the body possible.

Spike On A Plane

[(Anonymous)]

I can absolutely vouch for the poisonousness of the inside of planes and airports. I took a plane trip back east at the end of June and came back with a tremendous bout of stupidity, and my legs' circulatory problems flared back up. (I think I wrote about it on this forum shortly afterward.) No, I have never taken the shots, so this had to have been due to shedding.

I've been treating it since with Vitamin I and Nattokinase pills, mostly in alternation, plus low doses of aspirin, "flushing" niacin and vitamin E, and seeing a lot of improvement. My mind is mostly back, for one.

I think the vitamin E (268 mg/day) is a good addition; I probably wasn't getting enough of it. I had a cut on my hand that had been loitering for over 3 weeks-- started the vitamin E on top of the other supplements, and the cut kicked into healing high gear and sealed up in one week. I feel better all around since I started taking it.

**Thank you**, Stubborn Ass and all the commentariat for all of these tips, they have been enormously helpful, and I would be in much worse shape otherwise.

- Cicada Grove

Re: Spike On A Plane

[claire_58]

Substituting garlic capsules for the baby aspirin is an option worth considering.