Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 110
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ecosophia
We are now in the third year of these open posts. As the phrase "died suddenly" repeats in the mass media like a mantra, statistics for work days lost to illness and all-cause mortality mount up in heavily vaccinated nations, and more and more ugly facts about the official response to Covid spill out into public, we are entering what may well turn out to be the most difficult period of the Covid disaster -- the phase in which denial rises in lockstep with the death rate, and a great many people try not to admit what has been done to them by the people and institutions they trusted. It could get ugly, folks. So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:
1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.
2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.
4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.
With that said, the floor is open for discussion.
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Date: 2023-09-12 05:11 pm (UTC)What will happen with thia marginal people...
Also makes me wonder what kind of power this demon has, could it be a satan, not The Satan, but it office role for this times.
Ahem
Date: 2023-09-12 11:18 pm (UTC)If you see a simile in the Jonestown affair, the kool-aid may have put an end to their misery, but what poisoned them were Jim Jones' words.
Re: Ahem
Date: 2023-09-13 04:20 am (UTC)I'm sensing 'On the Waterfront' blended with 'Blade Runner.' :-)
Re: Ahem
Date: 2023-09-13 06:36 am (UTC)Thank you, for your response I really think this describes it well.
Do I neee to add that although he is old he thinks this war with Russia is a good thing, it looks there is a corelation between hating Russia and the mandates, the most was seen in the Baltic countries. Strangelly Ukraine, Bulgaria and Romania are an outlier in this.
I personally hold the view that geographically the fall of the narrative will manifest in some tectonic shift into the Warshow Pact Countries. I base this on the fact that with the war in Ukraine there was a weakening of the narattive.
Re: Ahem
Date: 2023-09-13 03:28 pm (UTC)I see it now as a 'not war' (I've been reading a couple guys and they have rather convinced me) - a 'not war' that immensely profits oligarchs in Russia and Ukraine ---- and as well the New World Order replacing the USA with China primarily, and Russia second, Russia is pure WEF, Soros etc...
Re: Ahem
Date: 2023-09-13 06:45 pm (UTC)While I agree that Russia wants a New World Order with China, a Fair World Order as they say, fair for Russia not for me and you, I don't think Russia is WEF, and Soros, personally I think WEF and Soros are both fronts for CIA just by checking Venn Diagrams between their common organisations and causes. So I doubt CIA is Russia.
Re: Ahem
Date: 2023-09-14 06:45 pm (UTC)Re: Ahem
Date: 2023-09-14 07:14 pm (UTC)Slow-motion Lahaini.
Re: Ahem
Date: 2023-09-15 02:48 am (UTC)If you step away from the caricature of Putin by the western press, evaluate his actions over the past 2+ decades (he came to power in 1999), he has played a brilliant set of hands with the cards that he was dealt with, saving the Russian state and putting things in motion to help restore balance to the world (not hyperbole).
The link you shared - I'm surprised that you can't tell that the author is literally making almost everything up, and it's just full of projection of what is happening in the west, he says is happening in Russia. Seems like that's par for the standard of western-aligned propaganda nowadays.
I'm currently based in SE Asia, and I can tell you from my perch here that in the greater sweep of history, Putin is likely to be viewed extremely favourably as a leader and statesman. As a matter of coincidence, I was recently watching a video where a respected mystic was asked when he felt that astral tide began to change for the better..... he mentioned 2 events, with Putin's ascendency being the first event. Trump's election was viewed as the 2nd... from a bigger perspective, the hypocrisy and ineptness of the effetes became fully exposed, and their increasingly draconian measures should be viewed as a sign of flailing in desperation, not of how much power that they actually still hold.
Re: Ahem
Date: 2023-09-15 04:28 am (UTC)That is a great quote, I needed that, they still hold so much, that it makes you despondent, that they are invincible, helps you keep the grip when in fact you see them in panic.
Re: Ahem
Date: 2023-09-15 05:02 pm (UTC)Yet within 24 hrs, the entire coup attempt was shown to be a sham.... barely a shot fired... and super eggnog on all the western 'analysts' and reporters faces.
That's why when someone repeats that Putin is affiliated with the WEF/Klaus etc, I just go... erm, real world events have consistently shown otherwise...
Re: Ahem
Date: 2023-09-15 10:11 am (UTC)- that Putin will somehow help them, which even if Putin is genuine he will help Russia's own population.
- or that Putin si just another WEF puppet and somehow, he makes this war to implement the Plan.
Re: Ahem
Date: 2023-09-16 05:32 pm (UTC)If you wish to remain in your cosy world of good-guy Russians vs bad guy globalists, then that is your prerogative, but if you would like me to refrain from posting reputable material from a reliable source based in the very country he is reporting on, and who is topical and relevant to these open threads, then I'm afraid I cannot grant you your wish.
Re: Ahem
Date: 2023-09-16 05:36 pm (UTC)Re: Ahem
Date: 2023-09-16 06:37 pm (UTC)Re: Ahem
Date: 2023-09-13 07:29 pm (UTC)"Not-war" seems to be the right term! Indeed Russia never declared war, but is calling this a "Special Military Operation".
Re: Ahem
Date: 2023-09-14 05:48 am (UTC)Is not in term but also terms and actions. Russia and China go to great lengths to maintain the status quo and don't make the Western elite feel any kind of pain.
Why? Because the way things are going in US and Europe are so distructive for the West that Russia and China needs to maintain this as long as possible...
Re: Ahem
Date: 2023-09-14 07:44 am (UTC)Is not in term but also terms and actions. Russia and China go to great lengths to maintain the status quo and don't make the Western elite feel any kind of pain.
Why? Because the way things are going in US and Europe are so distructive for the West that Russia and China needs to maintain this as long as possible...
Re: Ahem
Date: 2023-09-15 04:24 pm (UTC)"Handle With Care" is probably the guiding principle of the foreign policy for Russia and China as it should be for any other nation that has to deal with it.
Re: Ahem
Date: 2023-09-14 07:16 pm (UTC)As Bobby Dylan once said, '
Al the criminals in their suits and their ties
are free to drink martinis and watch the sun rise...'
Re: Ahem
Date: 2023-09-13 07:28 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-09-12 05:23 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-09-12 05:53 pm (UTC)People getting sick, in warm weather
Date: 2023-09-12 05:43 pm (UTC)I don't remember a time in my life where people were missing work so much before the weather has even turned cool. There is a part of me that wonders how much of this could be psychosomatic – one sees the people around them getting ill and then they get ill. If it's actually "real" illness at this time of year, I am worried about what the winter is going to look like just from the standpoint of friends, coworkers, and loved ones becoming sick, vaxxed or unvaxxed.
Wishing strength and good health to all.
Re: People getting sick, in warm weather
Date: 2023-09-12 06:30 pm (UTC)Re: People getting sick, in warm weather
Date: 2023-09-12 10:38 pm (UTC)Re: People getting sick, in warm weather
Date: 2023-09-13 05:12 pm (UTC)Re: People getting sick, in warm weather
Date: 2023-09-16 01:55 pm (UTC)Question is: How well were they able to stabilize the stuff and which parts were most stabilized? If it's an inert section, few worries (although one wonders if there's such a thing as truly inert genetic material), if it's the section of mRNA that creates turbo cancers or contains both the original spike plus a way to imbed the genetic material into the genome we're in trouble.
– Donald Hargraves
Re: People getting sick, in warm weather
Date: 2023-09-16 05:55 pm (UTC)a) They intentionally altered the structure to stabilize it. Does anyone know what happens with this synthetic mRNA? Does it break down in the same fashion? Does it produce any unexpected byproducts?
b) What about the adjuncts? Do those break down, and what are the results if they do?
Re: People getting sick, in warm weather
Date: 2023-09-17 10:34 am (UTC)Murky Impudent Llama
Re: People getting sick, in warm weather
Date: 2023-09-12 07:30 pm (UTC)So we'll have sick breaks for the vaccinated. They just get to work less then you because, well, just because.
Well, you might as well follow along. Claim that you need a sick break too.
Re: People getting sick, in warm weather
Date: 2023-09-12 09:10 pm (UTC)Parts per Million
Date: 2023-09-12 06:12 pm (UTC)Re: Parts per Million
Date: 2023-09-13 04:40 am (UTC)When masking first started, I remember thinking, people this thing is 300 PPM, seriously, a mask is just about useless against anything that small. Never said it out loud but think I should now, if I can confirm my math. Not that science or logic will change anyone's mind. My only real trump card is cigarette smoke. In the few times I had a mask outdoors and walked past a smoker, tasting their brand as I passed, I knew we were fools to fall for this. That was March 2020.
Re: Parts per Million
Date: 2023-09-13 05:52 am (UTC)By the way, there is a simple way to tell if your mask is filtering out viruses. Can you breath with it on? If the answer is yes, then it's not filtering out viruses.
Masking as an informed, individual choice
Date: 2023-09-12 06:26 pm (UTC)I'm just not completely dismissive of masks.
I have worn a fitted one for short periods of time in our house communal areas for the last few days out of courtesy to my housemates as I currently am setting lfts bright red. I'm also opening windows and washing my hands on occasion.
I absolutely agree longer-term en-masse masking doesn't work but selectively and with the right product I think they can be useful in reducing likelihood of infection over short periods of time. They are especially useful if the wearer is the one with an infection and is trying to avoid passing it on. I do get that more than short term use is probably not healthy for the wearer, hence why I will limit my time where I feel I need one.
I also get why someone with a big bushy beard might not bother!
Of course I would probably care quite a lot less in all this if my partner did not have a chronic health condition but there you go.
Re: Masking as an informed, individual choice
Date: 2023-09-12 09:03 pm (UTC)I say that as someone who decided I wouldn't wear one myself, but more out of desire to protest ALL the B.S. and group think we'd been subject to.
That's my 0.02 eurocents anyway.
JH
Re: Masking as an informed, individual choice
Date: 2023-09-12 09:04 pm (UTC)Re: Masking as an informed, individual choice
Date: 2023-09-12 09:12 pm (UTC)You wanna wear a mask, that's your call.
The problem comes when people try to pressure the rest of us into doing it.
Re: Masking as an informed, individual choice
Date: 2023-09-13 12:32 am (UTC)Re: Masking as an informed, individual choice
Date: 2023-09-12 09:23 pm (UTC)I do want to communicate opposition to the "pharma regime" publicly, and sometimes not masking does communicate that, so I may flaunt rules occasionally, but not rudely, and not with emotion or for personal attention, and probably not so stridently that I wouldn't put a mask on for convenience if necessary shopping or something absolutely required it.
Re: Masking as an informed, individual choice
Date: 2023-09-12 10:09 pm (UTC)Seems reasonable to me.
Re: Masking as an informed, individual choice
Date: 2023-09-12 10:18 pm (UTC)But you know, without a hint of sarcasm, whatever gets you through the night.
Re: Masking as an informed, individual choice
Date: 2023-09-12 10:49 pm (UTC)My understanding is that most viruses (including SARSCoV-19) are small enough to fit through the masks, and if you're infected with SARSCoV-19, you just breath out aerosolized viruses that go through masks. So no, they don't really do all that much to stop covid and other viruses. Masking policies as seen during cootie-mania were pretty much useless. Especially because non-symptomatic transmission wasn't really much of a threat.
That said, yes, obviously, masks may be useful in some situations. They do stop droplets of spittle and snot from escaping, which means that the germs suspended in the oral or nasal secretions are contained by the mask. Some diseases do transmit through droplets, so a mask will reduce the amount of viral or bacterial load being spewed into the environment in liquid form by a symptomatic person. Masks can also cut down on sick people rubbing their noses or mouths and then accidentally spreading infected secretions onto surfaces where they may be picked up by others. (It's my understanding that fomite transmission was shown to NOT be a major cause of covid transmission, but that doesn't mean it can't be an issue with some infections - so yes, there is some argument to be made for covering your nose and mouth when symptomatic in a public place.) Masks are also useful for surgeons and dentists leaning over open wounds and mouths, to help cut down on nasal and oral contact with bodily fluids going in either direction.
In sum, I think the only real benefit of masks outside of surgery/dental work is on actively symptomatic people. Ideally, if you're coughing and sneezing and sick, you should STAY HOME. But if you have to go out, covering your nose and mouth for a brief foray into a public area will probably reduce the amount of droplets you expel into the environment, and may help minimize touching your face and then other things, which will probably help reduce the viral or bacterial load you spread about.
If, back in 2020, the powers that be had told us to wear a mask if you have active respiratory symptoms and have to leave the house, I wouldn't have thought it unreasonable.
But force-masking healthy people was essentially useless, and actively harmful.
Re: Masking as an informed, individual choice
Date: 2023-09-13 07:38 pm (UTC)Could that in any way justify perpetual masking? Of course not, since humans have been randomly spittling on each other throughout our evolution! At certain stages we were even supplementing our protein intake by eating blood-gorged bugs off of each other, so we do appear to be a fairly resilient species.
As for forced-masking, that was never anything but a self-soothing attempt by TPTB to tell themselves through visual metaphor that they had succeeded in muzzling all dissent. Double masking was then doubly self-soothing by pantomiming double the muzzling. Those desperately mewled-about and grasped-at temporary pacifiers ended up costing TPTB much more of their real-world ability to manage dissent than they had ever bargained on.
In Kübler-Ross's stages of grief (over rapidly becoming The Powers That Had Been,) that bargaining would naturally follow after working through the anger of a mighty tantrum of derangement, and would naturally precede a much-needed depression (allowing the rest of us to finally breathe a much-needed sigh of relief!) So much of the recent craziness we've been living through (Covid hysteria cult, NATO suicide by Ukraine, WEF reset wetdreams, Trump derangement syndrome, etc.) makes quite a bit more sense when simply viewed as failed attempts by TPT(H)B to bargain away overwhelming grief.
I wonder if TPT(H)B could get some kind of group discount on grief counseling... because they are certainly going to need a lot of it! Always from credentialed experts, of course, the only ones they would ever deem safe enough to entrust their fragile psyches over to. Alas, that ends up sounding less like therapy to me and more like a TPT(H)B circle jerk... with a discount coupon, no less! What other sufferings and deprivations might the impoverished wealthy soon have to endure? No more private jets to Burning Man? How ever will they survive?
— Christophe
Re: Masking as an informed, individual choice
Date: 2023-09-13 12:40 am (UTC)If I am genuinely concerned that the virion can be transmitted via small droplet aerosols, then masks can reduce the odds of transmission. They cannot reduce it to zero, but they can reduce it. Best I can figure, chance of transmission gets a drop around 40-50% with any sort of mask. More complex/expensive masks can increasevthat drop.
If the persons you are around wear masks, the chance of transmission drops even farther. If you reduce output of aerosols by 50% and then reduce the probability of uptake by 50%. The way that I look at it, you can reduce your chances of cooties by 75%.
So, masks do make sense to me. Reducing probability of infection seems like a good idea.
So really, what you need to do is establish what level of risk you are willing to accept that and what the actual consequences of infection would be to you as an individual. I have no problem with you wearing a mask, hell, I would even put one on myself if you asked nice, that is just common courtesy.
I just solve the problem by staying away from people as a general rule. Being a curmudgeon has its own rewards.
Re: Masking as an informed, individual choice
Date: 2023-09-15 12:12 am (UTC)Unfortunately, nuance gets lost between the two camps chanting "masks work" and "masks didn't work". Part of the problem may be that faith in masks leads masked people to neglect other preventative measures: vitamin D, "staying away from people", etc. Failure of mask mandates ignores the fact that some people wore no masks, some wore paper surgical masks that simply catch the flying goobers, some wore fabric masks of varying effectiveness, and only a fraction wore really good, close-fitting masks (and then, not all the time).
Personally, I sewed some double-thick flannel masks that seemed effective and comfortable, and I got covid at a church picnic where I thought being outside (mostly) in the sunshine was enough. And I was ill for about two days.
Lathechuck
Re: Masking as an informed, individual choice
Date: 2023-09-15 11:39 am (UTC)I've been occasionally using nasal sprays too and will continue to use Carragelose spray just before going into short term crowded situations or working with people who might be ill. I am also writing this while out in the midday sun - I'm very aware of vitamin D courtesy of a brush with MS.
Re: Masking as an informed, individual choice
Date: 2023-09-15 12:47 pm (UTC)If roads were like that here, I'd wear them here too. Visible dust is one of the few things they're good for ;)
Re: Masking as an informed, individual choice
Date: 2023-09-13 12:41 am (UTC)Unless I have reason to think they're about to rob the joint, or they're at my front door asking for Halloween candy (in which case, I'll hand some out), it's not my business why another person would want to wear a mask. I might not like it, however it's just, to repeat, not my business.
I feel strongly about respecting medical privacy-- it's integral to medical freedom.
That said, the evidence is ovewhelming that masks do not work to prevent viral infections (including testimony I transcribed from certified industrial hygienists), and masks have been mandated by authorities under false pretenses to muffle and subdue people, and nudge us to get jabbed, and for that reason I resent the heck out of these masks, and I will push back against mandates to wear them, I will not wear a mask for "covid" or whatever virus, not ever again, period.
Thanks for being on the forum, for feeling comfortable enough to say what you said, and thanks also to our host for keeping us civil.
Re: Masking as an informed, individual choice
Date: 2023-09-13 02:35 am (UTC)(I promise this little story is true, and I'm sharing it in a lighthearted spirit.) I happened to read your comment while enjoying my annual cigar tonight, out under the stars. I doubt that anyone sitting next to me wearing anything except a sealed respirator would have failed to smell cigar smoke vividly. Nor do I expect my mask would have impeded any exhalations of cigar smoke. Taking smoke particles as a proxy for the (smaller) aerosols that spread Covid, I just can't see masks as effective protection.
I wish you and your partner excellent health and I'm glad you shared your thoughts here.
Re: Masking as an informed, individual choice
Date: 2023-09-13 04:16 am (UTC)Re: Masking as an informed, individual choice
Date: 2023-09-14 04:24 pm (UTC)They were quite surprised by the results; yet they concluded that nicotine may indeed have a therapeutic role in prevention and treatment of those viruses that use the ACE-2 receptors as a pathway to infection.
Role of Cigarette Smoke on Angiotensin-Converting Enzyme-2 Protein Membrane Expression in Bronchial Epithelial Cells Using an Air-Liquid Interface Model
Massimo Caruso, Alfio Distefano, Rosalia Emma, Michelino Di Rosa, Giuseppe Carota, Sonja Rust, Riccardo Polosa, Pietro Zuccarello,Margherita Ferrante, Giuseppina Raciti, and Giovanni Li Volti
Lega Italiana Anti Fumo
Italian Anti-Smoking League
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fphar.2021.652102/full
ORIGINAL RESEARCH
published: 30 March 2021
doi: 10.3389/fphar.2021.652102
Re: Smoking protects against infection?
Date: 2023-09-15 12:16 am (UTC)Lathechuck
Re: Smoking protects against infection?
Date: 2023-09-15 05:21 am (UTC)Tobacco was once primarily used as a sacred ceremonial herb. Likewise, incense has long been used to purify the air in churches, temples and public spaces where crowds celebrate religious festivals.
This suggests to me the possibility that incense-delivered VOCs might also block uptake of viral infectious agents by pre-occupying ACE receptor sites. Study design could compare essential oil diffusers with burnt incense to see how smoke or oil aerosols perform relative to each other. Do they each have a preventative effect against viruses or have a therapeutic effect post infection? Eucalyptus leaf oils and camphor for example. Also cedar, pine, cinnamon and florals.
Re: Masking as an informed, individual choice
Date: 2023-09-13 04:52 am (UTC)Re: Masking as an informed, individual choice
Date: 2023-09-13 07:46 am (UTC)I wear the nose rag for as long as it takes for me to stop sneezing and get back to normal, then I take it off and go wash it. Throughout Asia, people in heavy traffic, especially on motorcycles, also swear by these things.
But against colds? I think people wear them for psychological comfort. They are still being required in most shops in Japan, and people go along with it, but I'm seeing and hearing about a quiet but adamant revolt against masking here. The first people to tell me to take off that dang mask, in June 2020, were fellow hikers. Since then, a lot of other people have also decided they are a crock.
Re: Masking as an informed, individual choice
Date: 2023-09-13 08:08 pm (UTC)— Christophe
Re: Masking as an informed, individual choice
Date: 2023-09-15 12:24 am (UTC)There's a logical gap, you know, in "masks can't work, because viruses are too small to be blocked". There may be other mechanisms for a mask to be useful. I imagine viruses riding in the air through one of my flannel masks as being like downhill skiers flying through a forest, blindfolded. There's plenty of space between the trees, but you only need to run into one of them to ruin your day.
Lathechuck
Re: Masking as an informed, individual choice
Date: 2023-09-17 03:42 am (UTC)What seems to have happened this time is the Japanese took it as a point of pride that they had virtually no resistance to mask-wearing and were complying at a high rate. They haven't really examined the assertion that it will halt the spread, but I think a lot of people have been drawing their own conclusions recently, especially as they have been catching COVID repeatedly despite the vaxxes and masking.
Re: Masking as an informed, individual choice
Date: 2023-09-13 12:58 pm (UTC)Most people have an unsanitary habit so deeply ingrained in them from childhood that they do not even observe themselves doing it. How many of you can read a newspaper, count money, or open a paper or plastic bag without first licking your finger? Try it sometime. The surgeon's point of contact with the patient's open wounds is the tip of his finger; the germs are harbored inside his mouth. The mask keeps the fingertips out of the mouth. Mask-wearing in any other context is pure hogwash.
Re: Masking as an informed, individual choice
Date: 2023-09-13 05:47 pm (UTC)I also guess you'd give me plenty of space if I was wearing one, crazed fool that I am. That'd probably help too, especially as I've set a few of them lateral flow test things off this week. And something's now run off with half my sense of smell, which is annoying.
Re: Masking as an informed, individual choice
Date: 2023-09-13 04:01 pm (UTC)A local kids museum we went to advertised mask times. Once a week, first thing in the morning, for one hour, all visitors must wear a mask. The rest of the time it is by choice. I'm ok if more institutions go this way. I see it as a middle ground. We won't attend at that time, just as we don't go to the sensory friendly times, or busy times, etc.
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Date: 2023-09-12 09:23 pm (UTC)2021-08-02 ::: Open Letter to the Unvaccinated
Angela Durante, Denis Rancourt, Claus Rinner, Laurent Leduc, Donald Welsh, John Zwaagstra, Jan Vrbik, Valentina Capurri
You are not alone! As of 28 July 2021, 29% of Canadians have not received a COVID-19 vaccine, and an additional 14% have received one shot. In the US and in the European Union, less than half the population is fully vaccinated, and even in Israel, the “world’s lab” according to Pfizer, one third of people remain completely unvaccinated. Politicians and the media have taken a uniform view, scapegoating the unvaccinated for the troubles that have ensued after eighteen months of fearmongering and lockdowns. It’s time to set the record straight. [...]
(no subject)
Date: 2023-09-13 02:00 am (UTC)In Australia, the claim is that 95% of the adult population received a vaccine. I think the government is lying about this. Given all the vile actions the various governments in Australia carried out during covid, I'd say that fabricating the vaccination rate isn't beyond them.
I saw a couple of signs that the vaccination rate might be lower than claimed.
There was a press conference earlier this year with the premier of Victoria, Dan Andrews, where he was really angry about the people who didn't take the vaccine. If you believe the official figures, there are only a couple of percent of the adult population in Vic who didn't take the vaccines, meaning that the government won an overwhelming victory. DA should be gloating over this, but instead he's angry. This indicates to me that DA knows the real numbers of unvaccinated are much higher than claimed.
About a year ago now, one of the major news sites ran a survey asking how many people took the vaccines and whether they regretted their decision. I realise the sample was probably biased, and the survey was heavily brigaded after a few hours. But in the first couple of hours the results were: 20% unvaccinated, 30% vaccinated but regretted it, 50% vaccinated with no regrets.
I find it interesting that this news site should even be asking these questions. Don't they believe the government figures? Do they know something they aren't telling us?
(no subject)
Date: 2023-09-13 10:01 pm (UTC)Here in the US, once various non-profits figured out just how much money was sloshing around for anyone who could no-matter-how-implausibly proclaim that they could increase vaccine uptake, we were off to the races! They were promised so much loot per newly poisoned victim that it didn't take them long to begin offering somewhat-smaller cash payouts back towards anyone willing to get newly jabbed. In liberal blue cities, we had mobile vaxx clinics popping up anywhere that a non-profit could find to pitch their canopy tent. They would pay a minimal fee to some business in the commercial district to set up a clinic on their sidewalk, or to the parks commission to set up at a farmer's market. It was quite the business model for a while there — sort of like a whack-a-mole game, only played with vaxx clinics instead!
Since the neighborhood that I live in is known on parody review websites (far more honest than the so-called “legit" ones) as the "hipsters and heroin addicts" neighborhood (Good God, the worst of both worlds!), I have the distinct... um... ?pleasure?... of knowing many of our regular panhandling homeless addicts by name. Thus it was not at all hard to notice just how many times those addicts would show up at each and every local vaxx clinic that was offering anywhere from $20-$50 per jab. Being homeless, they would provide absolutely no ID, and, being liberal, those non-profits wouldn't ever dream of discriminating against their ID-less condition! A match made in heaven... or possibly somewhere a little hotter.
What on earth can one now do with any vaccination-uptake statistics provided by this lavishly incentivized distribution system, which was providing untrackable homeless addicts with the necessary funding to maintain their habit for another day? Effectively that meant one less trick to turn or unlocked car to pilfer, making for quite the paid incentive in all the better homeless encampments. Every time they got paid for getting jabbed, they got a reprieve from the daily grind — kind of a homeless holiday! And who can blame them? They had been used to having to pay to get jabbed by needles, and now someone wanted to pay them for getting jabbed, instead. Yahoo! If anyone can come up with an accurate model for recalibrating the warped statistics those mobile vaxx clinics added to the mix, we’ll be maybe one or two percent closer to figuring out real vaxx-uptake numbers.
Now, shall we begin discussing the insane cash payouts/bribes that were offered to doctors, insurers, and hospitals? But first, I suppose I really should ask... exactly how much time do you have?
— Christophe
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Date: 2023-09-12 09:41 pm (UTC)The latest move is that the U.S. EPA has now declared that Berkey water purifiers are a pesticide (seriously…), and therefore under their regulatory authority. Berkey is currently under a government order to cease production. As a result, we (and all distributors) are unable to order any more stainless systems, and our remaining stocks are very low."
I was curious as to how this all unfolded, so I watched a video interview with the owner on X(ugh) at https://twitter.com/absolutewithe/status/1699923966582821135?s=46&t=YOYLTb1OndfnTUo90FwYGg&_kx=UH2FPTupPcHsgw_EKmdnN0WHck_C_VggXbMYZLXnTZg%3D.Yj5Ze
and around 4 min the owner states that the EPA said "because of the threat of covid 19 being in the water, they want to make water filters that remove virus unavailable to the American people."
Okay, that's weird. Not sure what to think of this, but it feels like the whole ivermecton control issue in a new direction.
(no subject)
Date: 2023-09-12 10:31 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2023-09-13 03:53 am (UTC)This is beyond the new EPA regulations on emergency generators and gas stoves as well. Talk about petunia logic in that new 'regulation' that skipped all the process and reviews before being implemented. They must have just surveyed eight mice.
Can't have clean water or energy on your own terms now can we?
A lot of these 'green' initiatives are pushing for smart devices and appliances that can be centrally controlled. Despite their manufacture and operation typically have a greater environmental impact than their existing lower tech counterparts.
It's about anti-human and anti-life control. Stewardship is the last thing on their mind.
On a side note, the open and concealed carry ban in New Mexico looks to be a flop. Not only were there several rallies openly defying the order, local police departments flat out refused to enforce it on grounds of being unconstitutional.
I have a dream.....of mass non-compliance.
(no subject)
Date: 2023-09-13 06:54 am (UTC)Methinks that with the advent of AI they really dodged the bullet a few times.
But there is a constant litterary and movie theme that you may end up making the same thing that you wanting to avoid by permanently tinkering with a thin.
As Culianu asked himself is the State the great magician or just the apprentice sorcerer. Do we know any litterary case were a great magician becomes an apprentice sorcerer because he put too much trust in a specific device.
(no subject)
Date: 2023-09-13 12:33 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-09-13 09:10 pm (UTC)New Mexico guns banned for "public health"
Date: 2023-09-15 12:37 am (UTC)Lathechuck
(no subject)
Date: 2023-09-12 10:25 pm (UTC)I got what I believe to be COVID a few weeks ago, and was down for three days, exhausted for maybe three more. A week and a half after I got over it, I had rebound symptoms that resolved within 24 hours, although now a couple of days out I am still feel off. My wife has been left with a cough that won't go away. We can control it with quercetin and bromelain and omega 3, but once the supplements wear off it is still there somewhat. I'll probably have to take her in for some prednisone and/or a steroidal inhaler soon. As with the first round of COVID two years ago, my kids barely got it, one day or less of feeling bad and they bounced back.
I say all this to say that the current variant is rotten. Especially if you are older.
(no subject)
Date: 2023-09-13 06:41 pm (UTC)You can get the non-apple-flavored without a prescription in New Hampshire and also in Vermont, I believe. Maybe Tennesseee, not sure.
Mocha Amphibious Earthwormosaurus
(no subject)
Date: 2023-09-14 07:48 pm (UTC)apple cider vinegar and a paper towel
(appox 3 min video shows how)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_Y0dvMmN6M
(no subject)
Date: 2023-09-13 06:51 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-09-13 08:54 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-09-14 07:48 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-09-13 08:07 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-09-13 10:08 pm (UTC)I'm running at the same kind of timeframe - 3 days out, 3 days pretty useless and now not too bad but have noticed my sense of smell slipping away to virtually nothing and tinnitus is about doubled. Small inconveniences in the grand scheme of things though, especially as my partner is still knocked out by it. At least it's not 2020 style I'd say.
(no subject)
Date: 2023-09-16 08:11 pm (UTC)Sometimes my nose does gymnastics (internally).
I thought maybe mold in my apartment as I seem to be fine.
So the guy came and said it's not much. I can deal with it.
I got a lot of dust in my apartment. Yeah well if there was a possiblitiy
of something romantic I'd get right on it.
So I dont know. Now somebody doesn't want me to be around their child
because I've had the mildest of sore throats on and off. Gonna drink apple cider vinegar
and gargle this weekend.
Yeah I'm old. Not V. Quite sure i had covid earlier than anybody said it was around.
Because it was deeply 'chemical-war-ish' compared to previous flus.
So
Benadryl & Sudafed canceled
Date: 2023-09-12 11:36 pm (UTC)Whaaaat???! Probably every medicine cabinet in America has one of these!
Here’s one article with details:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/fda-panel-rules-that-popular-decongestant-found-cold/
I don’t know what to make of this. Talk about a shrinking trust horizon! How can anyone trust any pharmacy or doctor anymore!
Re: Benadryl & Sudafed canceled
Date: 2023-09-13 06:43 am (UTC)Been reading up this year on the amazing cleaning and healing properties of:
baking soda
hydrogen peroxide
Borax
vinegar
lemons
Wish I'd known about those many decades ago. I keep small jars of Borax and baking soda, and a bottle of hydrogen peroxide in my medicine cabinet, bigger containers in my laundry area.
Decades ago when I first noticed an overuse of hand sanitizers and soaps by some hypochondriacs, I decided that use could cause, as comedian George Carlin joked, a lack of needed exercise for our immune systems. We humans didn't evolve to live in sterile labs all the time. We're supposed to have a massive microbial biome inside and around us.
Once as a small kid I broke out in very bad hives. My Mom stuck me in a bathtub to soak in baking soda. It cleared up the hives. Another time the hives would not go away so my Dad went to a pharmacy where a pharmacist advised drink Benadryl cough syrup because it has the highest OTC antihistamine content. That got rid of hives for me but it has never worked to suppress any coughs for me. Hot water, honey and lemons does that well.
Bizarre, exactly twice as a very small kid I got massive hive attacks. Both times in the evening.
Possible alternatives for Benadryl to deaden bug bite itches: mint, pineapples, Vitamin C, and lemons seem promising. Other suggestions?
Re: Benadryl & Sudafed canceled
Date: 2023-09-13 09:40 pm (UTC)Re: Benadryl & Sudafed canceled
Date: 2023-09-16 12:52 pm (UTC)Re: Benadryl & Sudafed canceled
Date: 2023-09-13 07:05 am (UTC)Long story short, in a senior home in Florida, Benadryl + Lactoferrin - were de facto given to the residents everyday. Upon analysing the data (pre-jab), Benadryl and Lactoferrin alone was 60% effective in aiding recovery and side stepping the worst effects even for obese elderly covid patients. When taken together, the effectiveness was enhanced to over 80%. Those are the rough numbers that I recall off the top of my head.
Like a lot of treatments that were trialed in the first few months and showed efficacy, and being cheap solutions, they just got memory-holed. I found the combo very helpful for folks who lose their sense of taste and smell, as it would work on those particular pathways that the bioweapon utilizes... like 50-80% restored within a couple of days, and the process continues on its own without need of much further supplementation.
Re: Benadryl & Sudafed canceled
Date: 2023-09-13 12:37 pm (UTC)So the actual bait-and-switch happened some time ago.
Re: Benadryl & Sudafed canceled
Date: 2023-09-13 12:38 pm (UTC)Re: Benadryl & Sudafed canceled
Date: 2023-09-13 12:42 pm (UTC)My brain is just riding this jive rollercoaster
Do you know what "safe and effective" means according to the CDC? I'm going to tell you.
Safe means tested in 50 people and nobody died and only 8% needed professional medical attention. Effective means there is NO evidence whatsoever of a clinical benefit. Got it?
Steve Kirsch, Sept 13, 2023
https://kirschsubstack.com/p/do-you-know-what-safe-and-effective
Re: Benadryl & Sudafed canceled
Date: 2023-09-13 06:58 pm (UTC)Re: Benadryl & Sudafed canceled
Date: 2023-09-13 01:33 pm (UTC)The drug that's being pulled is phenylephrine, the "decongestant" found in Sudafed PE (not regular Sudafed), Benadryl Allergy Plus (not regular Benadryl), DayQuil, and maybe some other formulations. The drug used in regular Sudafed is pseudoephedrine, an older drug originally isolated from the ephedra plant in the late 19th century. Only the first drug is being recalled.
About 20 years ago, in response to claims that pseudoephedrine (the older drug) was being used in the manufacture of street amphetamines, the medical establishment started pushing phenylephrine over pseudoephedrine (i.e., Sudafed PE instead of regular Sudafed). In the US, anything containing the older pseudoephedrine drug had to be kept behind the counter at the pharmacy, you had to show ID to purchase it, and they tracked how much you were buying in some central database to make sure you weren't buying excessive amounts to fuel an amphetamine lab.
So, I occasionally use over-the-counter decongestants when I have a cold or get an allergy attack or something. Not to often, but they can be useful when needed. When Sudafed PE first came out, I bought it, not even realizing at first that it was a different drug. I used it once, and discovered that, at least in my case, it was absolutely useless - as in, did nothing whatsoever to help my congestion. Regular old Sudafed had always worked well on my nasal congestion, but this "new and improved" crapola was worthless. I discarded the box, used an ID to purchase some actual working Sudafed with psdeuoephedrine, and proceeded to "spread misinformation" to everyone I knew that "that Sudafed PE crap doesn't work at all."
I got pushback, of course. My relatives who worked in the medical field told me to use Sudafed PE, because it was a "newer drug," and therefore better. One time, when I tried to use my ID to buy regular Sudafed, the pharmacist tried to push Sudafed PE on me, and I told him no, that stuff DOESN'T WORK, and made him go through the trouble of selling me something that forced him to do the extra work of processing my ID.
So now, apparently, the FDA has figured out that phenylephrine doesn't work as advertised. I believe the exact words were "no better than a placebo." The brilliant experts have finally caught up with what this particular non-expert noticed 20 years ago, when I took a drug and it didn't work as advertised.
The only drug being pulled is phenylephrine, which is in only some formulations of Sudafed, Benadryl, etc. Because it really is useless.
Re: Benadryl & Sudafed canceled
Date: 2023-09-13 04:38 pm (UTC)Standard Benadryl, the antihistamine, is not affected (diphenhydramine). The headlines around this aren't making this clear and it scared me at first because I have family members who depend on that stuff.
Pharmacy workers are lazy with a capital Z. I have dual insurances, and when they aren't trying to convince me not to make them process both insurances for some BS reason, half the time they don't process the secondary insurance anyway.
Also, if the warehouse does not have your prescription, they cannot give you an ETA. Nor can they say whether or not the warehouse will even get anymore of what you need. They'll just keep stringing you along forever until you get the hint that no, your prescription is never coming, so you'd better get the doctor to rewrite it, or find an OTC alternative. Quite a problem when the drug in question is for an acute issue, and you thought all that time that it was just delayed, when in fact no, the warehouse has no plans to order anymore.
There was a recent article claiming that chain pharmacies are so understaffed right now (for cost reasons, hours cutting, mainly) that the pharmacists themselves are claiming to be a danger to people. So yeah everyone open that pill bottle, look up the pill markings online, and make sure you are getting what you expect to be getting, and not something that is going to kill you or send you to the ER.
Re: Benadryl & Sudafed canceled
Date: 2023-09-13 11:12 pm (UTC)I have yet to find any use for all that pseudoephedrine, since I experienced barely any symptoms when I did get covid. Who knows, maybe the election variant will turn out to cause significant congestion, allowing me to put at least a little of that pseudoephedrine to good use. Otherwise, I really can't picture myself cooking it up to see if I can somehow chemically modify it into crystal meth, as that would just leave me with another useless drug lying around the house!
All this "better living through chemicals" nonsense has left me quite underwhelmed by its empty rhetoric and failed promises, and that's without ever getting duped by the whole phenylephrine sales campaign. Now, that junk is truly worthless! You can't even sell that garbage on to the guy down at the local meth lab.
— Christophe
Re: Benadryl & Sudafed canceled
Date: 2023-09-14 12:51 pm (UTC)Generally speaking, it's been my experience that a lot of older drugs work(ed) better than their "new and improved" replacements. I have only limited experience with medications, but still.... The old Sudafed works, the new Sudafed PE doesn't. Older forms of prescription codeine for coughs used to work wonders to help me get a good night's sleep if I developed a case of post-viral bronchitis, while the stuff they insist on prescribing now is marginally useful at best. Regular old Benydryl works, and older forms of allergy medications also seem to work better than the "latest thing." And we all know what sort of new-fangled jabs don't work at all either.
I imagine there may be many more examples, and that my personal experience with the occasional OTC symptom-reducer or prescription cough med is just the tip of the iceberg. And we all know why.... New drugs are on patent and more lucrative than the old things that can be sold in generic form, so the latter are taken away and the former are promoted. It's all just $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Re: Benadryl & Sudafed canceled
Date: 2023-09-14 11:02 pm (UTC)So what you get is a lot of new drugs that don't work quite as well as the old ones they replace, but make more money for the manufacturer.
Re: Benadryl & Sudafed canceled
Date: 2023-09-13 02:35 pm (UTC)– Donald Hargraves
Re: Benadryl & Sudafed canceled
Date: 2023-09-14 07:18 pm (UTC)Lately, when I really, really need my upper airways clear (because I have to sing), my go-to solution is powdered ginger. about 3+ hours before I have to be functional, I mix 2 tablespoons (yes, that's a lot) of ginger powder into hot water, sometimes with a bit of anise, milk, cocoa, or whatever else is handy to make it more palatable because it can be difficult to get it down my gullet, along with enough water or herb tea to make up a quart of liquid all told. Unpleasant, but it does the job. Clears my nose, throat, sinuses (not instantly, but within an hour). The 3 hours is because it also flushes out my digestive tract, and if I don't leave enough time to work through that, any public appearances could be quite awkward. Keeps my airways clear for several hours, though.
That is not a recommendation, obviously. In TCM I gather it would be a bad idea for anybody who already has a hot, dry constitution because ginger is hot and "drying". And clearly, I'm not an expert. Also, it's not the most comfortable or pleasant solution. Just happens to work for me. I have no idea what it would do if used on any kind of regular basis-- I use it strictly as an emergency stopgap, when I absolutely can't afford to be congested, in a very specific timeframe.
Re: Benadryl & Sudafed canceled
Date: 2023-09-14 11:15 pm (UTC)What, you still have some trust left?
Missed again,
Date: 2023-09-13 01:19 am (UTC)"The emergence of BA.2.86 underscores the need for flexibility in current vaccine strategies to ensure continued effectiveness against these new variants. The newly FDA-approved fall 2023 COVID-19 booster shots are formulated to target XBB.1.5, which was dominant in early 2023 when public health officials made the reformulation decisions. The 2022 booster shot was designed to target both the original strain of SARS-CoV-2 as well as the BA.4 and BA.5 omicron lineages."
So, the new shots just approved do not work on the variant currently circulating. They do work (supposedly) against the version from six months ago.
Re: Missed again,
Date: 2023-09-13 02:20 pm (UTC)Take the arstechnica as a counter example
"FDA approves and authorizes updated COVID boosters for everyone 6 months and up
The fall boosters target XBB.1.5 and have shown effectiveness against current variants."
They have shown effectiveness.
Followed up by today's article
"Everyone should get a COVID booster this fall, CDC says
Not everyone is at the same risk, but advisers called for simplicity and equity."
Simplicity and equity as the guiding principles in your health decisions.
Re: Missed again,
Date: 2023-09-13 11:33 pm (UTC)Equity, despite its current bastardization, still means that everyone gets treated decently, justly, and fairly, with respect for their individual rights and their unique circumstances. Equity is precisely what CDC advisers are systematically trampling to death, while disingenuously pretending to be calling for more of it.
— Christophe
Re: Missed again,
Date: 2023-09-14 12:02 am (UTC)I think I need 'equity' in the property deeds of summer cottages' division.
Cuz
otherwise it's rascchist or 'sumpin'
Re: Missed again,
Date: 2023-09-14 11:07 pm (UTC)Trust in Science, Revisited
Date: 2023-09-13 01:30 am (UTC)Well, I just came home from that talk, and long story short... I shook hands with the enemy.
The panelists were three professors who lead the newly formed Trust in Research Undertaken in Science and Technology (TRuST) scholarly network, moderated by the host of our local CBC radio morning hour. (CBC is the government-funded national news network that went hook, line and sinker for the covid narrative).
My impression is that the profs are genuine people who genuinely believe in the merits (and flaws) of scientific enterprise, and who genuinely don't understand why people have lost trust in that enterprise.
I was wrong in my initial understanding, based on the event flyer, that there wouldn't be audience participation. There was, indeed, quite lively and well-moderated live audience participation. I got to speak into the microphone and address my concerns about how these kinds of (very important!) discussions frequently fail when one side gets referred to right off the bat as 'those people' or victims of 'misinformation'. That comment was well received.
I went up after the event to speak with the member of the panel who seemed to me the most reasonable, and shook her hand. (This was the dean of engineering, who was ready to admit bluntly, when questioned about covid science policy failures, that isolating kids at home during lockdown was a bad idea). I told her that I know they're hoping to hear from people on the other side of the fence, and that I'd be happy to talk further.
Whew!
So we'll see where that goes. Folks, the way I see it we are in a war, a war that may be in a state of truce at the moment, but which is far from over, and which must eventually end the way all wars do: with diplomacy and negotiation. I'm not ready to trust the people who started this war, or to cease my preparations for the next round, but if I can be part of the backroom conversations that lay the foundations for some kind of eventual regeneration of public trust (including but not limited to trust in science) then I'd like to give it a try.
Dylan
Original thread about the Trust Science event here:
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/245054.html?thread=42807614#cmt42807614
Re: Trust in Science, Revisited
Date: 2023-09-13 04:12 am (UTC)Long (long!) ago my then (leftist radical) friends attended the U. of W. and I lived in K-W for a few years. I can picture the drive up University Avenue. :-)
Re: Trust in Science, Revisited
Date: 2023-09-13 07:01 am (UTC)It goes to say that this seems to hold for al the open wars that are at the moment.
Re: Trust in Science, Revisited
Date: 2023-09-13 08:36 pm (UTC)In nearly every group of people there are some who are reasonable and independent-minded. Glad you found one such person. It does not surprise me that it was the dean of engineering: those folks are trained to do reality-checks at least from time to time because the price of having some elegantly designed mechanical, electrical or robotic creation tank in front of everyone’s eyes due to one of those pesky laws of the universe (or just our good friend Murphy) is pretty high.
Bravo, Dylan! Let’s hope that the bridge that you are building can withstand any upcoming storms of zaniness. May sanity prevail.
Ron M
Re: Trust in Science, Revisited
Date: 2023-09-16 06:05 pm (UTC)Discussing things here in our Ecosophia bubble is useful to a certain extent, because shoring up our sense of sanity in the midst of the storm is so necessary.
But beyond that extent, unless we find ways to discuss things outside of our like-minded groups, we won't really change anything.
The tyrants don't hold power because they're somehow smarter or innately more powerful than the rest of us. They hold power because they have public opinion on their side. And the way to shift public opinion is to talk to people, gradually and bit by bit, and *show* (not tell) how much more reasonable you are than the tyrants.
Dylan
Re: Trust in Science, Revisited
Date: 2023-09-14 01:06 am (UTC)The drunken stupidity that has led our self-regarding élites into all their unwinnable wars against drugs, crime, terrorism, poverty, invasive species, Trump, covid, truckers, disinformation, Russia and covid once again has not yet succeeded in disabusing itself of its considerable ignorance. Until they manage to sober up to the realization that their drunken-binge wars are destroying them from the inside out, our élites will not be prepared to try out any of the twelve steps that might eventually lead them towards actual diplomacy.
That is not to say that your practice of diplomacy in the resulting vacuum is a poor choice in any way. You will come away so much more experienced in the type of backroom negotiations that actually can result in more-or-less desirable outcomes. Meanwhile, the besotted toddlers who have been pretending to lead us can go on playing with their toy soldiers and declaring "Mission accomplished!" in their nursery rooms, all while you diplomatically negotiate the world out from under their incompetent oversight. With any luck, they'll stay too soused on their imaginary victories to even notice what you're up to. Their Waterloo may well turn out to be your emancipation — wouldn't be the first time!
— Christophe
Re: Trust in Science, Revisited
Date: 2023-09-15 12:04 am (UTC)"Rethinking next-generation vaccines for coronaviruses, influenzaviruses, and other respiratory viruses" by Anthony Fauci 2023
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9832587
Basically, it says that the vaccines were never going to work because vaccines only work against viruses that elicit a durable immunity after infection. Things like chickenpox, smallpox, measles that you only ever get once are good candidates for vaccines, but things that you get over and over like the common cold are not. Coronaviruses belong to the second category (and are one of the viruses that cause the common cold) and so vaccines were not going to produce durable immunity.
From the abstract:
"Viruses that replicate in the human respiratory mucosa without infecting systemically, including influenza A, SARS-CoV-2, endemic coronaviruses, RSV, and many other “common cold” viruses, cause significant mortality and morbidity and are important public health concerns. Because these viruses generally do not elicit complete and durable protective immunity by themselves, they have not to date been effectively controlled by licensed or experimental vaccines."
Put aside for a moment that Fauci published this paper one month after retiring and that it looks an awful lot like he's telling us that he knew all along that the vaccines wouldn't work. This paper is important because it comes from household name, Anthony I am the science Fauci. It's current, Jan. 2023. And it explains that basic immunology tells us a priori that the vaccine was never going to work.
That basic science is a nice contrast to the unsubstantiated claims, censorship, total reversals from established practices, decredentialing doctors who tried to ask questions or work on alternatives, etc.
Bizarre Case Against Tamara & Chris
Date: 2023-09-13 03:03 am (UTC)Day 3 (Sept 7): The prosecution shared numerous TikTok videos produced by Chris Barber during the protest in which he continuously called the movement to be peaceful, referred to Mahatma Gandhi and stressed that the protest is not ‘anti-vax’. Now, he also repeatedly used the term "tyranny" to describe violations of constitutional rights imposed by all levels of government – but is that ‘mischief’?
(video and description here: https://www.rebelnews.com/tamara_lich_and_chris_barber_freedom_convoy_organizers_day_3_trial_recap)
Day 4 (Sept 8): The judge stated on multiple occasions that she was ‘very unhappy’ with the prosecution’s attempt to use chat logs from Chris and Tamara’s phones as evidence, as it violates disclosure policies and makes it very difficult for the defence to respond (as this was not submitted by the August 1 deadline). Evidence presented by the prosecution continues to include many videos by Chris hammering home the message that the protest must be peaceful – which seems to be undermining the Crown’s own case. (video and description here: https://www.rebelnews.com/judge_in_high_profile_trial_of_tamara_lich_is_very_unhappy_with_crown_s_evidentiary_fumbling)
Day 5 (Sept 11): Much of the day was spent disputing the relevance of witnesses being brought forward by the prosecution – many of them to allege public urination and littering and the exhaust fumes from trucks parked on Ottawa streets. The judge pushed back stating that the trial is focused on the charges of mischief placed on the two accused and if they are not directly involved in said public urination, etc., she does not want to hear it. "The impact [of the Freedom Convoy] isn't relevant," the judge said in relation to her final adjudication of the charges against Barber and Lich. (video and description here: https://www.rebelnews.com/tamara_lich_and_chris_barber_freedom_convoy_organizers_day_5_trial_recap)
Day 6 (Sept 12): Videos made by Tamara and Chris, which were shown by the prosecution (the Crown) continue to demonstrate that both of them consistently called people to come to Ottawa and protest peacefully; there was also video of Tamara asking protesters to pray for forgiveness for those who are doing wrong, as well as her objection to the ‘Frack Trudeau’ flags (with tears in her eyes). Keep in mind that the prosecution characterized the protest as ‘anything but peaceful’ (!!!) in the opening day of the trial. (video and description here: https://www.rebelnews.com/tamara_lich_and_chris_barber_freedom_convoy_organizers_day_6_trial_recap)
Now, I'm not a lawyer, but so far this has been the 'lamest' prosecution I have ever seen - by a loooong shot. If I didn't know any better, I'd swear that the Crown's lawyers had been 'bought off' by Tamara and Chris. Utterly bizarre!
Honk honk!
Ron M
Re: Bizarre Case Against Tamara & Chris
Date: 2023-09-13 04:13 am (UTC)Re: Bizarre Case Against Tamara & Chris
Date: 2023-09-13 06:06 am (UTC)I got to meet Tamara this summer when she came to my town with Rebel Media & the documentary they were screening (Church Under Fire -- a MUST WATCH, in this humble witch's opinion, because freedom of religion is something we should all be concerned with), & it was the highlight of my year. She is incredible in person. They say never meet your heroes, but in Tamara's case -- absolutely meet her if you can.
I have been praying for them both during the case, and I'm sure I'm not alone...maybe the bizarre behavior of the prosecution can be explained by mass prayer on behalf of the defendants!
Re: Bizarre Case Against Tamara & Chris
Date: 2023-09-13 04:19 pm (UTC)As the Brandon, Manitoba-based “freedom-themed” rock band ZaHayNa sings (in their recent release “Learn To Love Again”):
Our hate is a disgrace
We don't have time to waste
If we don't learn to Love again
It's all over for us
Ron M
Re: Bizarre Case Against Tamara & Chris
Date: 2023-09-13 08:02 am (UTC)More bad news
Date: 2023-09-13 07:34 am (UTC)Kind regards
Sean
Re: More bad news
Date: 2023-09-13 04:36 pm (UTC)Ecosophia Prayer List
Date: 2023-09-13 02:45 pm (UTC)If I missed anybody, or if you would like to add a prayer request for yourself or anyone who has given you consent (or for whom a relevant person holds power of consent) to the list, please feel free to leave a comment below.
Here are a few of the prayer requests on this week's list.
May Erika's partner James, who has just learned he has cancer all over inside him on his liver and lungs, be blessed, healed and protected.
Christine Marie and Stephen Paul are to be married in Cardiff Castle on Thursday 21 September at 9:00am. May they (and Christine's children Hugo and Casper) be blessed with a successful marriage full of love, good health, and happiness.
In the case of Princess Cutekitten and the large bank who is suing her, may justice be done, with harm to none.
May Josh Schaad's soul be blessed and eased in his soul's transition into death, and may his wife Alyssa and sons Gavin and Caden be blessed and protected, and find what comfort they can during this very difficult time.
Neptunesdolphin's husband has just had his big toe partially amputated due to a staph infection, and his diabetes has worsened in connection. He and she and son all are struggling to cope with the difficult situation, made no easier by the fact that all three have different varieties of mental impairment. May Neptunesdolphin's husband heal quickly and vigorously, and successfully manage his diabetes; and may her family all get through the situation successfully and with grace.
Lp9's hometown, East Palestine, Ohio, for the safety and welfare of their people, animals and all living beings in and around East Palestine, and to improve the natural environment there to the benefit of all.
Guidelines for how long prayer requests stay on the list, how to word requests, how to be added to the weekly email list, how to improve the chances of your prayer being answered, and several other common questions and issues, are now to be found at the Ecosophia Prayer List FAQ.
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Date: 2023-09-13 03:28 pm (UTC)https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/safe-effective-dr-fauci-now-admits-covid-vaccines/
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Date: 2023-09-13 03:29 pm (UTC)Congress is investigating claims that spies were paid to declare the outbreak was natural
https://www.rt.com/news/582859-cia-whistleblower-covid-origins/
(no subject)
Date: 2023-09-13 07:33 pm (UTC)Just turn off the media. All of it.
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Date: 2023-09-13 03:30 pm (UTC)https://www.cbs7.com/2023/09/13/odessa-city-council-votes-not-enforce-state-or-federal-covid-mandates/
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Date: 2023-09-14 08:02 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-09-15 01:15 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-09-15 10:13 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-09-13 04:42 pm (UTC)I'm reminded this week of how, back in 2021, I so often felt this peculiar contradiction, that on the one hand it felt like everything was stuck in cold mud, while on the other hand, it felt like things were changing fast and in wildly bizarre ways.
Cetiosaurus
"The Incidence of Myocarditis and Pericarditis in Post COVID-19 Unvaccinated Patients..."
Date: 2023-09-13 06:17 pm (UTC)"We did not observe an increased incidence of neither pericarditis nor myocarditis in adult patients recovering from COVID-19 infection."
https://www.mdpi.com/2077-0383/11/8/2219
(no subject)
Date: 2023-09-13 06:23 pm (UTC)Also, does anyone know that they actually were not stored properly? I know the initial claims for storage requirements were crazy, but I'm not sure anyone had ever tried storing the mRNA vaccines which used the synthetic N1-Methylpseudouridine: which appears to be vastly more stable than regular mRNA.
(no subject)
Date: 2023-09-14 12:57 am (UTC)Good speculative arguments on both sides, so…hard to tell.
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Date: 2023-09-18 08:19 am (UTC)The Ninth Mouse
Healing from jab injuries / clots
Date: 2023-09-13 07:09 pm (UTC)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spGFp1HSSfQ
My Community is Not Excited about the new Booster
Date: 2023-09-13 10:47 pm (UTC)So far there are 24 comments and all but one of them are opposed to it. The one outlier's support for the shot was kind of weak too.
I take this as a good sign, at least for my community.
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Date: 2023-09-13 10:58 pm (UTC)https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/ny-gov-kathy-hochuls-delivers-devastating-news-vaccinated/
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Date: 2023-09-14 03:38 am (UTC)Okay, so Hochuls' delivery was always a bit stomach-churning, but she used to place way off the charts for her smug, self-satisfied delivery. We're talking about a world-class hubris here! What possibly could have happened to the poor thing? Now she kind of comes across the way that Rabbit did after spending a night alone in the forest while trying to debounce Tigger. Could Hochuls’ trying to force all the unvaxxed to get vaccinated have succeeded in doing that to her? We were meant to become a Humble Unvaxxed, a Small and Sad Unvaxxed, an ‘Oh, Hochuls, am I glad to see you’ Unvaxxed. Is it possible that she instead became a Humiliated Hochuls, a Lost-and-Found Hochuls, a ‘Why, oh why do these things happen to me’ Hochuls? She certainly doesn’t sound like the same smugly over-confident Rabbit any more. Oops, I meant Hochuls!
(My apologies for borrowing from the modified cartoon text of Milne’s brilliant parable rather than his original version. My own copy of his book is unfortunately stored away in boxes at the moment, and Disney appears to have managed to use its purchase of his copyright control to scrub the internet of the original, leaving just the bastardized Disney version out there. How predictably Disneyesque of them!)
— Christophe
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Date: 2023-09-14 03:54 pm (UTC)I've been Hochuled. Have you been Hochuled. Hiccup Hiccup Hochul.
loco Hochul.
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Date: 2023-09-14 08:04 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-09-14 09:24 am (UTC)Yes, you can't let a little thing like selfish thoughts of personal survival get in the way of the broader agenda now, can you?
Especially when so many have already died in service of the broader agenda.
How selfish of us all.
The Ninth Mouse
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Date: 2023-09-14 07:02 pm (UTC)Are we admitting that it doesn't have any benefit to you, then?
If you're doing it for others... but there's no benefit to you... then who *does* it benefit exactly??
Oh, right. Drug companies. So don't think about yourself. Do it for Pfizer.
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Date: 2023-09-14 09:18 pm (UTC)"We've lost so often and so much before that we must be due a win, so we should all double down now on the next bet."
So, they grab their balls and roll the dice again, for everyone, thinking that they're owed a different outcome; however, chance doesn't care one dot about what people think they're owed.
If that's how they're 'reasoning', then it's not very encouraging.
The Ninth Mouse
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Date: 2023-09-15 07:46 am (UTC)Want to reduce your *risk* of having a heart attack? Take these statins.
Want to reduce your *risk* of everything? Lose weight. Stop smoking those cigarettes.
...and so on...
I suspect that Ivan Illich was onto something when he said that what medicine had accomplished by around 1960 or so, was to persuade people to think of themselves as a "bundle of risks to be managed"... along with a whole edifice of professional managers to take over when your own uncredentialled risk management
efforts become ineffectual...
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Date: 2023-09-15 11:59 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-09-15 07:35 am (UTC)The Ninth Mouse
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Date: 2023-09-16 01:42 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-09-13 11:00 pm (UTC)https://nypost.com/2023/09/05/babys-brown-eyes-turn-blue-overnight-after-covid-19-treatment/
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Date: 2023-09-14 09:46 am (UTC)Just like a sacred cow
Visions of swastikas in my head!
Plans for everyone!
It's in the white of my eyes!
My little China girl
You shouldn't mess with me
I'll ruin everything you are
You know
I'll give you television
I'll give you eyes of blue
I'll give you a man who wants to rule the world!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YC3sTbAPcU
The Ninth Mouse
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Date: 2023-09-13 11:01 pm (UTC)https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/fauci-says-mask-recommendations-could-return-if-there/
Latest on mask research
Date: 2023-09-16 01:37 pm (UTC)First of all, they don't work. Second of all, they are detrimental to your health.
September 16, 2023
https://kirschsubstack.com/p/even-more-evidence-that-nobody-should
I recently updated my Bangladesh study mask article to add two new resources of interest.
A paper published in JAMA in 2019 showed that surgical masks and N95 masks were completely ineffective against the flu. They both offered the same amount of protection, i.e., none. This is of course why nobody wears them to stop a virus. In fact, the surgical mask actually performed slightly better than the N95 mask in the study. How can that be? It’s obvious: both masks offered no protection whatsoever so it was a wash and the differences were simply random.
This tweet by Robin Monotti summarizes a new study done in Germany showing that masks cause unsafe levels of CO2 with devastating health consequences that the CDC doesn’t want anyone to know about.
continue reading... https://kirschsubstack.com/p/even-more-evidence-that-nobody-should
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Date: 2023-09-19 04:21 pm (UTC)