Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 110

[ecosophia]

We are now in the third year of these open posts. As the phrase "died suddenly" repeats in the mass media like a mantra, statistics for work days lost to illness and all-cause mortality mount up in heavily vaccinated nations, and more and more ugly facts about the official response to Covid spill out into public, we are entering what may well turn out to be the most difficult period of the Covid disaster -- the phase in which denial rises in lockstep with the death rate, and a great many people try not to admit what has been done to them by the people and institutions they trusted. It could get ugly, folks.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

Comments

Re: Trust in Science, Revisited

[team10tim]

You might find this useful in future discussions.

"Rethinking next-generation vaccines for coronaviruses, influenzaviruses, and other respiratory viruses" by Anthony Fauci 2023

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9832587

Basically, it says that the vaccines were never going to work because vaccines only work against viruses that elicit a durable immunity after infection. Things like chickenpox, smallpox, measles that you only ever get once are good candidates for vaccines, but things that you get over and over like the common cold are not. Coronaviruses belong to the second category (and are one of the viruses that cause the common cold) and so vaccines were not going to produce durable immunity.

From the abstract:
"Viruses that replicate in the human respiratory mucosa without infecting systemically, including influenza A, SARS-CoV-2, endemic coronaviruses, RSV, and many other “common cold” viruses, cause significant mortality and morbidity and are important public health concerns. Because these viruses generally do not elicit complete and durable protective immunity by themselves, they have not to date been effectively controlled by licensed or experimental vaccines."

Put aside for a moment that Fauci published this paper one month after retiring and that it looks an awful lot like he's telling us that he knew all along that the vaccines wouldn't work. This paper is important because it comes from household name, Anthony I am the science Fauci. It's current, Jan. 2023. And it explains that basic immunology tells us a priori that the vaccine was never going to work.

That basic science is a nice contrast to the unsubstantiated claims, censorship, total reversals from established practices, decredentialing doctors who tried to ask questions or work on alternatives, etc.