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another lovely dayAs we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselessness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. 

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

Sickness prevalence

Date: 2023-05-24 09:58 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] boccaccio
The many stories about people getting sick made me do a quick data-gathering.

It is really difficult to get dependable and actual data about sickness levels, but I think I found an indicator that is valuable. The Netherlands has a website with the waiting times for healthcare (https://www.zorgkaartnederland.nl/wachttijden). The data are actualized almost daily. They are published since August 2021 and regularly I download them and put them in a spreadsheet so I can compare and see the trends.

I added todays waiting times in my document and these are the findings:
- The latest data show that the waitingtimes are rising all across the board.
- For medical specialists the waiting times are at all time highs for specialists in children, eyes and rheumatism.
- For diagnostic research (CT-scan, MRI, X-ray etc) the waitingtimes are for nearly ALL of them at all time high.
- For ablation (heart arrythmia) the waitingtimes are rising again. This is strange as earlier this year (till end of March) the waitingtimes were trending down. Dotting and cardiac catheterization are also rising.

Especially the third finding concerns me. There are apparently a lot of people who are not well.
Edited Date: 2023-05-24 10:10 pm (UTC)

Re: Sickness prevalence

Date: 2023-05-25 07:31 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Hey B,
As far as I know the waiting lists for all medical and psychological treatments have become much longer. Also things like psychologist and dentist. It is not necessarily people getting more sick, but the Dutch healthcare system is burdened by an insufficient amount of professionals.

I also noticed last week that the death rate is now below average. It might be that they are hiding deaths but on the other hand they did publicly report the much above death rate.

So there is a lot happening, but i would not attribute it all to the vax

Re: Sickness prevalence

Date: 2023-05-28 07:43 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] boccaccio
Sure. There isn't a clear cause-effect here. I look for the trends. Right now I see that demand for any kind of diagnostic test, and certain specialists is rising faster than average. And the breach of the downward trend in heart-issues. No proof here, but relevant data-points.

Re: Sickness prevalence

Date: 2023-05-25 09:13 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thinking_turtle

Interesting! I used to follow the numbers from the RIVM. It turns out these numbers are not raw measurements but output from computer models. They're not false and do not conflict with any observable fact. Their definition changes every week, so that even comparing the numbers to their old values is meaningless.

The "zorgkaart" contains observable facts. That means it's probably true information. Thanks for the link to the "zorgkaart".

Re: Sickness prevalence

Date: 2023-05-28 07:44 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] boccaccio
Yeah, I have to resort to oblique data as the official data are so much "sanitized" that they say little. I also keep track of the monthly sick-leave data of the ArboNed. They publish them in press bulletins. The latest is here https://www.arboned.nl/nieuws/voorjaarsdaling-verzuim-zet-door-werkend-nederland-herstelt-van-griep (I compare the numbers with the same months in previous years)
Edited Date: 2023-05-28 07:49 pm (UTC)
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