Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 65

[ecosophia]

As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselesness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. 

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religious, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.    

Comments

Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'

[(Anonymous)]

Coercion to accept an unsafe new vaccine is bad, but not as bad as genocide, as you obviously agree. The Nazis could be prosecuted because they'd committed international crimes, and crimes against Germans under the laws of the land that prevailed before they seized power and tore up the laws that inhibited their ability to persecute whom they would. The people who were prosecuted and imprisoned, though, were those who had actually committed crimes or war crimes, not those who had merely been party supporters. Concentration camp guards, not anti-Semites. And not ordinary soldiers, because under the laws of war, just participating in an invasion is not a war crime. (Yes, we have people now in a concentration camp for defending themselves from an American invasion. I guess what that says is that the victors make the rules, and some clearly hope that that can be applied to peacetime conflicts too.)

Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'

[(Anonymous)]

Let's be cautious about what's obvious, and what I agree with. You say potAto, I say potOto. The vaccine sure feels like genocide to me. The numbers are starting to creep up to parity there, if you factor in VAERS under-reporting and look around globally. When all is said and done, and this period is history, the numbers might end up being higher than our historical comparison. And Pfizer, by dint of being an international corporation, sorta makes this de facto an international crime, no? Plenty of people were prosecuted back then. Not just generals and political apparatchiks. Media and medicine are two career fields that come right to mind as holding lots of prosecuted individuals. Also, plenty of ordinary soldiers as well. In fact, one of the PRIMARY lessons to come out of Nuremberg was "I did it cause orders" was not a valid excuse. I guess we'll see how it all plays out in the end. We don't really have a choice at this point, do we?

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Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'

[(Anonymous)]

Genocide is when one group or faction tries to wipe out another group or faction. If you come up with something dangerous and distribute it to your own ingroup at least as much as anyone else's if not more, even if it winds up killing many of them - many more than are dying of vax side effects so far - it is not genocide. If you did it on purpose it would be mass murder, which is bad enough.

Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'

[(Anonymous)]

Yup. That definition checks out for me too. I’d say we are in a qualifying situation. I know many would not agree, and I obviously don’t have any receipts. But reading lots of history, and paying attention to power structures for a few decades, it’s clear to me we have two obvious factions: the absurdly wealthy and everyone else. I’ll let you guess which one I think is the one committing genocide.

Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'

[(Anonymous)]

If so, they're doing a bad job of it since their group gets vaccinated more. And so far that seems a very inefficient means of committing mass murder. But the absurdly wealthy certainly do not want to wipe out the non-wealthy. The lifestyle of the wealthy depends upon a lot of labor by the non-wealthy: those working on farms, in paper mills, tailor shops, mines, auto and aircraft factories, hospitality and service jobs ... I could fill a page. If the working classes vanished overnight, the rich would have to personally do all the work they wanted to have done. They'd hardly want that!

Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'

[(Anonymous)]

So, is there a word between 'mass murder' and 'genocide' indicating when one group only wants the other 'mostly gone', and not entirely gone?

Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'

[(Anonymous)]

Pruning the race, thinning the herd, periodic blood-letting (said to be good for the nation when lower classes are drafted or voluntarily flock to the army to die en masse in wars planned and implemented by the upper classes.

Pogrom, lynching, tyrannous oppression, tribal/clan/gang wars
Soviet purge, Irish famine, Scottish border wars, British Raj.
Southern race riot, American Bureau of Indian Affairs containment.
Destroying a Viet village to save it. Prairie Justice, Pirate Law. Invaders killing all the men and boys, taking away the women and babies as slaves. Armies busting the heads of mine workers on strike, backed up by judicial murder of troublesome agitators….

Examples are abundant and the names for it are legion.

The phenomenon is widespread geographically and across time. The practice of maltreating the ringleaders of any political opposition in an attempt to kill an idea, to maintain control over territory or drive a captive labor force to be productive for the sole benefit of the lords and ladies is the mainspring of the enernal imposing vicious, but partial acts of terror and sustaining a climate of hostility for the purpose of maintaining political control over a targeted portion of humanity.

Plantation overseers, spies, provocateurs, prison guards have a limited license to kill at will.

So long as the action can be kept beneath the radar of public notice by keeping the media muzzled or chained to their own wallets, the practice of limited, partial aggression for maintaining a sustained climate of hostility and punitive domination continues.

Business as usual.

Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'

[(Anonymous)]

Garbled cut-and-paste job.
Correction:
,,,is the mainspring of the eternal practice of imposing vicious, but partial acts of terror. Sustaining a climate of hostility for the purpose of maintaining political control over a targeted portion of humanity includes giving plantation overseers, spies, provocateurs, prison guards a limited license to kill at will.

So long as the action can be kept beneath the radar of public notice by keeping the media muzzled or chained to their own wallets, limited aggression and punitive domination shall continue. Business as usual.

Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'

[(Anonymous)]

Yup, this vocab list seems exhaustive. I'd go for any mix of these. Womp womp.

Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'

[(Anonymous)]

Rough numbers look like around 20 million dead for the historical Nazi comparison (concentration camps, soviets, etc). The chart in this substack caught my attention:

https://vigilantfox.substack.com/p/death-tsunami-they-found-a-way-to

If you assume the 6 million dead from covid this "Our World in Data" chart shows (which I don't, these numbers are absurdly rigged. But let's be generous), and track up to the lower bound of "excess dead" at something like 17 million, we reach 11 million non-covid excess dead. If we use the upper bound of something like 27 million, then we are at 21 million non-covid excess dead, surpassing the WW2 numbers already, and my sense is we are just getting started.

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Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'

[hearthspirit]

If the math is simple subtracting "covid" deaths from all deaths = "definitely vaccines", that is clean math for submission in court.

Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'

[(Anonymous)]

Everything is better with Q!

No, the math is clearly not that simple. But orders of magnitude are worth pondering. Are these numbers in the ballpark? Also, if 3 million kids die each and every year, do those qualify as excess? Or are they accounted for as standard yearly deaths? Being that the ~20 million current deaths in the covid era are excess, and could be anything from suicides of despair to malnutrition to covid to vaccines, but surely are policy adjacent deaths, my inclination isn’t to be a stickler and say “these are vaccine related and these are not” but to be way more inclusive and holistic and say “did these idiots cause conditions leading to 20 million excess deaths for any reason?” If the answer is yes, that’s good enough for my case brought before Q.

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Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'

[hearthspirit]

"did these idiots cause conditions leading to 20 million excess deaths for any reason?”

Oof. That's what I was worried about.

Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'

[scotlyn]

May I ask what "we have people now in a concentration camp for defending themselves from an American invasion" is a reference to?

I cannot fathom this out, unless by "American invasion" you mean "Big Pharma invasion", perhaps?

Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'

[(Anonymous)]

I meant Muslim people who were sent to torture camps, including Gitmo, for, allegedly, shooting BACK when U.S. forces invaded their countries.

Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'

[scotlyn]

Ah, thank you. Yes that makes sense, and I suppose there still are people detained in Guantanamo Bay, and/or being "extraordinarily rendered" for that, or similar, reasons.