Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 65
Nov. 1st, 2022 11:47 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
ecosophia
As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselesness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:
1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.
2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.
4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religious, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.
With that said, the floor is open for discussion.
Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'
Date: 2022-11-02 01:23 am (UTC)Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'
Date: 2022-11-02 05:35 pm (UTC)Friend, this is an actual problem that actual people actually have: Finding a pediatrician who will see your baby even if you decline one of the CDC's "recommended" vaccines.
I do wonder if the covid vaccine will force these pediatricians to change their stance...
In the meantime, my baby's pediatrician just quit, and every pediatrician recommended to me by friends is either retiring, not taking new patients, or for family practitioners who see all ages, not taking new child patients (I wonder if they're getting lots of interest from people leaving the vaccine-mad pediatricians). It's stressing me out. It's *an actual problem*.
Whatever, wish me luck I guess.
-Ochre Shabby Sea Serpent
Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'
Date: 2022-11-02 07:03 pm (UTC)Sending you positive energy!
Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'
Date: 2022-11-02 08:10 pm (UTC)… there have been repeated mentions in Magic Mondays about honey jar spells. I suppose this would also work for finding a decent paediatrician, no? (Or a competent physician with integrity in other medical fields, for that matter)
Since this will be an issue for a lot people, I‘m wondering if somebody who has experience with honey jars, and how to execute them in a safe and sane way, would care to explain the practice here, and what to watch out for?
Milkyway
PS,
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I will most definitely let them know as soon as it happens again, and not just once it shows up regularly! ;-)
Anyway, if it should notice it again, could you let me know? I deleted a double post last week, but I don’t always see them, especially if they show up hours later. Thanks!
Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'
Date: 2022-11-02 10:21 pm (UTC)Murmuration
p.s. I'm still looking for something 'official' on that little weed/ash ceremony we did. Haven't forgotten.
Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'
Date: 2022-11-02 11:05 pm (UTC)Worst case, the honey jar would make for a nice Magic Monday question… ;-)
Milkyway
Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'
Date: 2022-11-03 07:10 am (UTC)Oh gosh that really is a surveillance state. Is that kind of harrassment widespread in the USA, or just in your state?
Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'
Date: 2022-11-03 01:47 pm (UTC)This kind nurse magically got me an appointment for my youngest at their doctor's office at the time and date of my choosing. I was astounded. This, like, never happens. Doctors are so overbooked and busy here. The state must REALLY want kids vaccinated! It was around the time there was a measles outbreak in New York, right next door, so perhaps they were extra concerned. I am big believer in the old school vaccinations against potentially deadly diseases (measles, tetanus, polio, diptheria and whooping cough), so I was happy to take her up on it.
I have yet to be harassed about the newer rotavirus, RSV, chicken pox, and cervical cancer vaxxes, which leads me to believe the public health folks realize those are less necessary.
But there's a more subtle way they harass you: by refusing to let your kids go to day care, school, or summer camp without the full complement of vaccines (day care includes the flu shot.) This is the way a lot of people start out homeschooling--because they are literally forced into it by the required vaccination schedule of public schools. If the state starts requiring the Coof mRNA shots for school, or if any of the other req'd vaccines go mRNA, I believe there will be a huge protest and large exodus from the public schools around here.
And by the way, if you're interested in finding friendly doctors, ask the homeschooling crowd. They know.
-Ms. Krieger
Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'
Date: 2022-11-04 12:29 am (UTC)Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'
Date: 2022-11-04 04:06 am (UTC)Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'
Date: 2022-11-04 06:22 pm (UTC)They sent people TO MY DOOR to "inform" me about hurricane relief and availability of vaccines and oh by the way, have you had the vaccine?
Choice words were exchanged.
Twice. The second time asking if they had a warrant seemed to end it. But I'm sure I'm now on some "hostile reaction to community outreach" list.
Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'
Date: 2022-11-04 01:02 pm (UTC)blue sun
Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'
Date: 2022-11-04 03:28 pm (UTC)-Ms. Krieger
Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'
Date: 2022-11-04 10:11 pm (UTC)blue sun
Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'
From: (Anonymous) - Date: 2022-11-07 04:59 pm (UTC) - ExpandRe: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'
Date: 2022-11-03 01:56 pm (UTC)In times when we have had neither insurance nor medicaid, it's no big deal. Nobody harasses us for not having a pediatrician.
When we've been signed up with Medicaid (administered through the state, so it may vary a lot from state to state), we get absolutely snowed under with vaguely threatening letters in the mail, reminding us to take the kids to the pediatrician, the dentist, etc, to get them vaccinated, and also not to give them crack, or forget to feed them, etc etc etc. We found, after a while, that these could be safely ignored. But again, might be different in other states. It is impossible to get off their mailing list, even when you no longer qualify for the services.
I don't know how that'd play out with proper health insurance, as we've never been able to afford that.
Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'
Date: 2022-11-04 03:36 pm (UTC)Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'
Date: 2022-11-03 03:27 pm (UTC)Murmuration
Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'
Date: 2022-11-05 06:44 am (UTC)The worst I've heard about here is a reminder letter from the school nurse if you've not gone for the standard jab series. The school nurse teams visits schools for all the scheduled jabs and parents are asked to complete online consent forms in advance which a series of questions require answers including allergies and so on. I have come across parents for whom the online consent form just won't work, those people have to send a letter to the school nurse office, and there isn't a way to force them to answer any intrusive questions in that letter about their children's health. Not that the school nurses necessarily respect parents' wishes, I have come across children who had to make a big fuss not to be marched into the office for jabs which is something that a lot of children would find difficult, which I have come across as a reason people home educate so as not to put a child in that position.
Most activities (religous and community groups for inst) will ask for your doctor's name and address on the consent form but as long as you write something there no-one is going to know whether you ever go to that doctor -- I think it's just so they know where to send accident and emergency notes if the child suffers an accident requiring treatment.
Difficulties arise here in case of parental disagreement in a legal context -- if parents are separating and one parent wishes to, the court will order standard treatment which means the child must have the jabs that are recommended unless someone has the resources to successfully fight a case in court (ballpark £50 000?), so the parental relationship and like mindedness on health matters is a key element in what children get.
Well worth thinking through how these systems work in different places. Interesting what people have said here about the class dimension too, that there may be different ways around depending on which systems people are part of.
Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'
Date: 2022-11-02 08:16 pm (UTC)The earlier they can get off the treadmill of 72 childhood shots the better off they'll be. Reduced chance of autoimmune diseases, allergies, autism and general dysfunction.
Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'
Date: 2022-11-03 12:09 am (UTC)Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'
Date: 2022-11-03 03:25 am (UTC)I remember reading somewhere that doctors get some sort of incentive payments based on what percent of their patients are "fully vaccinated" by age two, so having non-fully vaccinated patients cuts into their kickbacks.
Although I can't remember where I saw it, so I can't confirm.
Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'
Date: 2022-11-03 09:59 am (UTC)(It would also make for a hell of a website, listing who's on the take and who's not.) Couldn't be phrased that baldly, but I know I'd sure like to know any doc of mine is not operating under any other incentives.
Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'
Date: 2022-11-03 02:07 pm (UTC)Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'
Date: 2022-11-07 06:33 am (UTC)Pay for Performance 'P4P'
Performance Recognition Program
Incentive Program
They are for all types of treatments. Search engine the guides and they are easy to find. Here is one from wisconsin. Page twelve gives an idea of money involved.
https://www.forwardhealth.wi.gov/wiportal/content/provider/medicaid/hospital/p4p_guides/pdf/MY2022_HospitalP4P_Guide.pdf.spage
A 2016 Performance Recognition Program Provider Incentive Guide that I have from Blue Cross, Blue Shield, Blue Care Network, on page 15 lists a child of 2 years of age who meets the vaccination schedule is worth $400 of kickback.
- Suspicious Porcupines
Re: Emily Oster says 'Let's forgive and forget'
Date: 2022-11-03 06:31 am (UTC)I hear you, you're right, it's good to be able to write about it and get heads together with other parents and other people who are concerned. We all have to think about how to look after our children well in these strange times, and it might look rather different going forward.
1) Have you come across 'Where there is no . . .' series ie 'Where there is no doctor' etc. I think it's worth having a copy and studying it just for general knowledge about what people do if there isn't a doctor, these are pretty mainstream but it's a starting point just to think about health care. In addition I think it's a generally good thing to have a home nursing manual and get used to looking after your people at home in whatever way works for you and them. Rest, plenty fluids, fresh foods for vitamin C, chicken broth and so on are uncontroversial and get a person through many minor irritations without having to access the pharmaceutical mainstream.
2) Don't know how young your child is but if breastfeeding, there's an international qualification called IBCLC (International board certified lactation consultant) and if it's feeding difficulties, you want one of those rather than a general medic anyway who is likely to know little about supporting lactation. These are independent practitioners, usually a lady who is or has been a nurse specialist, the IBCLC exams are stringent and the qualification has to be renewed every five years.
3) Do you know any other parents locally or other people locally who share your views? Those people can not only support you but might know other people who can help too. There probably are more people out there than seems obvious. If you listen carefully and build positive connections with local folks you might pick up other ways to go forward -- sometimes someone's aunt is a nurse and so if you're in with them you can ask that lady if you're not sure whether something needs stitches or whatever. Just like with other skills and thinking ahead, a community can be a great resource for keeping a child in good health. It doesn't solve every problem but people do come up with workarounds and if you're connected you can get to hear about these.
Sending love across the Shabby tribe
Amaranth Shabby Lobster