Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 54
Aug. 16th, 2022 01:46 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
ecosophia
As we move further into the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselesness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:
1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.
2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.
4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.
With that said, the floor is open for discussion.
Lawsuits? ha ha ha ha
Date: 2022-08-20 12:05 pm (UTC)Have you considered - stick with me here - that the courts and legal system are just as corrupt as the medical and science establishments? Considering that the election of a single district attorney in a city can turn a place in a violent hells cape in a matter of months, how can you view the legal system as supporting you?
Have you not noticed that the vast majority of lawyers and judges have been vaccinated multiple times? Have you not noticed the majority are progressive and support very leftist politics? Have you not noticed the law is biased and warped into whatever people want it to be?
Relying on legal justice or the law to save you or us is a fantasy.
Re: Lawsuits? ha ha ha ha
Date: 2022-08-20 03:34 pm (UTC)It's important not to be naive in one's expectations-- your point is a good one-- nonetheless, at the same time, it is also important to not be so cynical as to overlook the many successes and opportunities in this arena.
The easiest thing to do is sit and complain about how impossible everything is.
The next easiest thing to do is something that might be emotionally / viscerally satisfying in the moment, but that ultimately could prove to be tragically counterproductive.
For me a prime example is RFK Jr's Children's Health Defense Fund. It's like a David against 10 Goliaths. Over many years Children's Health Defense Fund has lost many battles, and also won many battles, and they are still at it. They are savvy, and creative, and, they persevere.
You can find out about what they do, and their news, at this link:
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/
Re: Lawsuits? ha ha ha ha
Date: 2022-08-20 05:49 pm (UTC)The outcome is yet to be seen, but check out this impressive effort:
Missouri and Louisiana Attorneys General Sue the Biden Administration Over Free Speech
August 8, 2022
https://brownstone.org/articles/missouri-and-louisiana-attorneys-general-sue-the-biden-administration-over-free-speech/
QUOTE:
"The Brownstone Institute has repeatedly reported on the unholy alliance between the administrative state and Big Tech with the censorious results of free speech suppression. We’ve published a full articles of inquiry as a template for further investigation into these unprecedented actions.
"The cooperation between these people during the pandemic response became intense and pervasive. This model is being deployed in other areas too, with a symbiotic relationship between power centers that ends in suppressing dissent. This is contrary to the First Amendment.
"The state attorneys general of Missouri and Louisiana have filed suit against the Biden administration. Among the plaintiffs are Brownstone Senior Scholars Martin Kulldorff, Jay Bhattacharya, and Aaron Kheriaty who have experienced this censorship first hand. The case is joined by the New Civil Liberties Alliance and filed in the US District Court for the Western District of Louisiana Monroe Division.
"The text of the lawsuit is embedded below. Here is an excerpt.
"The aggressive censorship that Defendants have procured constitutes government action for at least five reasons: (1) absent federal intervention, common-law and statutory doctrines, as well as voluntary conduct and natural free-market forces, would have restrained the emergence of censorship and suppression of speech of disfavored speakers, content, and viewpoint on social media; and yet (2) through Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act (CDA) and other actions, the federal government subsidized, fostered, encouraged, and empowered the creation of a small number of massive social-media companies with disproportionate ability to censor and suppress speech on the basis of speaker, content, and viewpoint; (3) such inducements as Section 230 and other legal benefits (such as the absence of antitrust enforcement) constitute an immensely valuable benefit to social-media platforms and incentive to do the bidding of federal officials; (4) federal officials—including, most notably, certain Defendants herein—have repeatedly and aggressively threatened to remove these legal benefits and impose other adverse consequences on social-media platforms if they do not aggressively censor and suppress disfavored speakers, content, and viewpoints on their platforms; and (5) Defendants herein, colluding and coordinating with each other, have also directly coordinated and colluded with social-media platforms to identify disfavored speakers, viewpoints, and content and thus have procured the actual censorship and suppression of the freedom of speech. These factors are both individually and collectively sufficient to establish government action in the censorship and suppression of social-media speech, especially given the inherent power imbalance: not only do the government actors here have the power to penalize noncompliant companies, but they have threatened to exercise that authority."
https://brownstone.org/articles/missouri-and-louisiana-attorneys-general-sue-the-biden-administration-over-free-speech/
Re: Lawsuits? ha ha ha ha
Date: 2022-08-21 02:57 pm (UTC)Since energy and resources are finite, setting up a parallel system or completely ignoring the unethical laws is the better option. AKA the Amish Way is an example of parallel system. What many have done here in this forum is ignore the unethical laws mandating vaccination.
Re: Lawsuits? ha ha ha ha
Date: 2022-08-21 05:23 pm (UTC)It depends on where you are, what your strengths and weaknesses are, what your options are. Then you decide, do or not do.
It's not a one size fits all situation.
Re: Lawsuits? ha ha ha ha
Date: 2022-08-20 03:43 pm (UTC)To some degree, yes, this is true. But one can work towards legal justice, and one can exert some powerful influence on the shaping and interpretation of the law.
True justice, well, that is for the divine to determine, I believe.
PS The ruling of a 10 million award by a hospital to employees who lost their jobs when their religious exemptions were not respected, that now stands as an important precedent in US law.
Re: Lawsuits? ha ha ha ha
Date: 2022-08-21 09:35 pm (UTC)Health Care Workers Settle COVID Shot Mandate for $10.3 Million
Jul 29, 2022
Today, Liberty Counsel settled the nation’s first classwide lawsuit for health care workers over a COVID shot mandate, for more than $10.3 million. The class action settlement against NorthShore University HealthSystem is on behalf of more than 500 current and former health care workers who were unlawfully discriminated against and denied religious exemptions from the COVID shot mandate. The agreed upon settlement was filed today in the federal Northern District Court of Illinois.
As a result of the settlement, NorthShore will pay $10,337,500 to compensate these health care employees who were victims of religious discrimination, and who were punished for their religious beliefs against taking an injection associated with aborted fetal cells.
This is a historic, first-of-its-kind class action settlement against a private employer who unlawfully denied hundreds of religious exemption requests to COVID-19 shots.
The settlement must be approved by the federal District Court. Employees of NorthShore who were denied religious exemptions will receive notice of the settlement, and will have an opportunity to comment, object, request to opt out, or submit a claim form for payment out of the settlement fund, all in accordance with deadlines that will be set by the court.
As part of the settlement agreement, NorthShore will also change its unlawful “no religious accommodations” policy to make it consistent with the law, and to provide religious accommodations in every position across its numerous facilities. No position in any NorthShore facility will be considered off limits to unvaccinated employees with approved religious exemptions.
In addition, employees who were terminated because of their religious refusal of the COVID shots will be eligible for rehire if they apply within 90 days of final settlement approval by the court, and they will retain their previous seniority level.
The amount of individual payments from the settlement fund will depend on how many valid and timely claim forms are submitted during the claims process. If the settlement is approved by the court and all or nearly all of the affected employees file valid and timely claims, it is estimated that employees who were terminated or resigned because of their religious refusal of a COVID shot will receive approximately $25,000 each, and employees who were forced to accept a COVID shot against their religious beliefs to keep their jobs will receive approximately $3,000 each.
The 13 health care workers who are lead plaintiffs in the lawsuit will receive an additional approximate payment of $20,000 each for their important role in bringing this lawsuit and representing the class of NorthShore health care workers.
Liberty Counsel will receive 20 percent of the settlement sum, which equals $2,061,500, as payment for the significant attorney’s fees and costs it has required to undertake to sue NorthShore and hold it accountable for its actions. This amount is far less than the typical 33 percent usually requested by attorneys in class action litigation.
In October 2021, Liberty Counsel sent a demand letter to NorthShore on behalf of numerous health care workers who had sincere religious objections to NorthShore’s “Mandatory COVID-19 Vaccination Policy.” If NorthShore had agreed then to follow the law and grant religious exemptions, the matter would have been quickly resolved and it would have cost it nothing. But, when NorthShore refused to follow the law, and instead denied all religious exemption and accommodation requests for employees working in its facilities, Liberty Counsel filed a class action lawsuit, along with a motion for a temporary restraining order and injunction.
Liberty Counsel Vice President of Legal Affairs and Chief Litigation Counsel Horatio G. Mihet said, “We are very pleased with the historic, $10 million settlement achieved in our class action lawsuit against NorthShore University HealthSystem. The drastic policy change and substantial monetary relief required by the settlement will bring a strong measure of justice to NorthShore’s employees who were callously forced to choose between their conscience and their jobs. This settlement should also serve as a strong warning to employers across the nation that they cannot refuse to accommodate those with sincere religious objections to forced vaccination mandates.”
Mat Staver, Founder and Chairman of Liberty Counsel said: “This classwide settlement providing compensation and the opportunity to return to work is the first of its kind in the nation involving COVID shot mandates. This settlement should be a wake-up call to every employer that did not accommodate or exempt employees who opposed the COVID shots for religious reasons. Let this case be a warning to employers that violated Title VII. It is especially significant and gratifying that this first classwide COVID settlement protects health care workers. Health care workers are heroes who daily give their lives to protect and treat their patients. They are needed now more than ever.”
Re: Lawsuits? ha ha ha ha
Date: 2022-08-22 01:19 am (UTC)But it's not the White House that's going to get their pants sued off for it. It's the businesses who took their suggestions as law.
One lawsuit down. Sixteen thousand plus to go.
Re: Lawsuits? ha ha ha ha
Date: 2022-08-20 04:28 pm (UTC)But...
If you compare US with the rest of the "first world" I have to say I am impressed at the level of legal resistance to medical tyranny.
Obviously it's not enough but there were so many judges blocking mandates and recently even awarding payments to people hurt by mandates, that I would not completely dismiss the US legal system.
Re: Lawsuits? ha ha ha ha
Date: 2022-08-20 05:53 pm (UTC)The Attorney Who Won the Mask Mandate Case in Florida: An Interview
By Brownstone Institute April 26, 2022
"Brant Hadaway, the attorney who represented the Health Freedom Defense Fund in the federal district court case against the transportation mask mandate, is here interviewed by Jeffrey Tucker of Brownstone Institute. He discusses the sketchy legal basis of the federal mandate and his arguments to the judge who ruled against the administrative state.
"In addition, he covers his back and forth with the CDC and the eventual victory of his case. The Biden administration is appealing the decision, of course, with the intention of getting everyone masked up again on planes, buses, and trains."
[VIDEO INERVIEW ON ODYSEE
https://odysee.com/@brownstone:6/brant_hadaway_mask_mandate:8?src=embed ]
https://brownstone.org/articles/the-attorney-who-won-the-mask-mandate-case-in-florida-an-interview/
Re: Lawsuits? ha ha ha ha
Date: 2022-08-21 10:00 am (UTC)Did you miss all the conventions still mandating vaccines and masks in cities? There's not legal case to be made there because they are "optional" in people's view except if you don't go, then you are shunned socially for not participating.
Re: Lawsuits? ha ha ha ha
Date: 2022-08-21 05:27 pm (UTC)Re: Lawsuits? ha ha ha ha
Date: 2022-08-21 09:39 pm (UTC)Yes, many other cities are still mandating masks and vaxxes. And other legal battles are underway.
Re: Lawsuits? ha ha ha ha
Date: 2022-08-20 05:58 pm (UTC)Three Days Late, the Supreme Court Strikes Down OSHA’s Vaccine Mandate
By Brownstone Institute January 13, 2022
https://brownstone.org/articles/three-days-late-the-supreme-court-strikes-down-oshas-vaccine-mandate/
Re: Lawsuits? ha ha ha ha
Date: 2022-08-21 12:16 am (UTC)I am not, however, an attorney so you may have a point.
Gawain
Re: Lawsuits? ha ha ha ha
Date: 2022-08-20 06:04 pm (UTC)"I Fought for My Kids and the Liberties of Everyone:
An Interview with Shannon Robinson, Plaintiff in the Anti-Lockdown Missouri Court Cases"
By Brownstone Institute November 29, 2021
"Shannon Robinson is a lead Plantiff who challenged the state of Missouri over what she sees as illegal and unconstitutional covid-19 policies mandated by the Department of Health and Senior Services. After a heated exchange with the courts, these discretionary “control measures” including the creation and enforcement of orders affecting schools, businesses and individuals, were deemed illegal and have since been called on for immediate suspension.
"In this interview, she talks about her motivations and the process, and the widespread sufferings experienced by her and millions of others.
"Jeffrey Tucker, founder of the Brownstone Institute joins Shannon to discuss the details of this incredible verdict and victory for medical freedom. For more on the case itself, see this article with quotes from the decision and the full decision embedded below."
[link goes to:
https://brownstone.org/articles/covid-restrictions-and-mandates-imposed-by-the-whims-of-public-health-bureaucrats-are-illegal-missouri-court-rules/ ]
[VIDEO INTERVIEW:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1URxlfSXvrA ]
SEE THE ORIGINAL ARTICLE WITH LINKS AT THIS URL:
https://brownstone.org/video-podcast/i-fought-for-my-kids-and-the-liberties-of-everyone-an-interview-with-shannon-robinson-plaintiff-in-the-anti-lockdown-missouri-court-cases/
Re: Lawsuits? ha ha ha ha
Date: 2022-08-20 06:12 pm (UTC)https://www.sirillp.com/civil-rights/
If this is a shred of hope, I'll take it.
Re: Lawsuits? ha ha ha ha
Date: 2022-08-21 05:02 am (UTC)I have a sneaky feeling about where this might be headed. “It’s hopeless so TINA!”
and or “It’s hopeless so advocating for some extremist (read illegal) action.”
Re: Lawsuits? ha ha ha ha
Date: 2022-08-21 05:36 pm (UTC)And this is why, although I am not naive, I do think the lawsuits make a difference, and I expect to see many more of them, and I expect some of them to end up making a definitive difference for the better.
This world can be nasy and brutish but there are some more or less functioning legal systems, and to some degree in many places, human and civil rights are being defended, and can be defended.
But people have to first be willing to try.
And people also have to not be ready to give up at the first sign of frustration.
Fortunately, there are some people willing to try, and there are some people who, no mater what, don't quit.
Re: Lawsuits? ha ha ha ha
Date: 2022-08-22 03:48 am (UTC)However, when confronted with FACTS of data pertaining to Covid, then there's less wiggle room.
It's quite difficult to tell where the transition zone is between "yes, that data confirms the danger of The Jabs" point of view and the "oh shale!, I'm hosed now as a judge!" point of view is delineated.
But, "wiggle room" is still the goal for many of the criminals involved in the plandemic. IMHO.
Re: Lawsuits? ha ha ha ha
Date: 2022-08-22 07:44 pm (UTC)Corrupt, honest, or merely incompetent, judges have to swim in these waters, same as any govt official. Their decisions will affect their own positions of power, pay, and influence. Should civil society break down judges will get none of the above. Therefore they are obliged to keep a close eye on the moods and movements of the masses. Who and what judges are will become evident very soon. We will know soon enough if they want to preserve the state of the union, remain servile to the power of the deep state, or merely save their own skins.
It does no harm to prod the sleeping lions of the judiciary. They are in a cage of their own choosing. The judiciary does not care about justice, it only cares about precedence.
It is up to individual people –as it always is – to push for and secure the right governance of law. No justice will ever be done by any government. The interned Japanese and German citizens know this. The indigenous peoples of this continent know this. People formerly enslaved know this. Justice cannot be obtained for crimes of war and mass money-mongering.
But the followers of Sante Klaus (authoritarian deluxe), the medico-monsters and PharmaStasi, the media perpetrators of fraud and all of them perpeTRAITORS to the U.S. Constitution can be jailed and fined till their noses bleed green ink. They can be convicted of treason too. If the masses say so and make it stick. And the lawyers will happily wade in so long as there is money to be gained by doing the job.
When the petro-dollar collapses into a puddle of poodle-poo, then we can forget about jurisprudence. At that point, the Tree of Liberty might be in line for a refreshing drink. Till then, it pays for little fish to keep snapping at the bulging wallets hanging off the bulging rear-ends of the hyper rich, and causing them to bleed more money into the waters already churning with the thrashing tails of many sharks. And that is no fantasy.