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alone in winterThe semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a very high number of comments -- to understate the matter considerably! -- so I'm opening yet another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, as Canadian officials launch a campaign of reprisals against citizens who supported a peaceful protest against government policy, and the words "died suddenly" become the favorite media euphemism of our time, the floor is open for discussion.   

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Date: 2022-02-24 08:13 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I somehow doubt that the Republicans and True Believers will allow that to happen. The Republicans won't allow their best rhetorical weapon to go away, nor will their base allow them to even if they tried; and the True Believers won't be willing to let go of the Covid panic just yet...

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Date: 2022-02-25 01:29 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
In the same way a failed love will rather turn to loathing than dissipate, the true believers‘ faith in the vax may turn into a great horror, given the recent development w/r/t vax injuries.

The war would have to develop awfully quickly to distract from the biggest scandal in medical history, oft it is recognized as that.

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Date: 2022-02-25 12:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sinners4diseasecontrol
Ukraine's far away. The ailing relatives are up close and center.

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Date: 2022-02-25 04:11 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
"the true believers‘ faith in the vax may turn into a great horror"

That won't happen.
While a lost love might require giving up the core of someone's self image, that is possible.
What it's not possible is to undo the immune system damage caused by the fox, so the only way to keep sane for most of the True Believers is to continue their support of foxes to their graves.

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Date: 2022-02-26 12:41 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I believe you are correct about that. The only foxxed person I know who regrets it is my boss, who didn't want to get it but caved in out of pressure. My sister is an extreme believer in them, and I had wondered if she regretted getting them in light of the information coming out about them and also the fact that she got COVID. Nope. She researched it and found she's even better protected now she had COVID. I just said that's good.

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Date: 2022-02-26 03:51 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
"Still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest..."

Paul Simon, The Boxer

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Date: 2022-02-25 04:08 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
About Republicans - 90% of them were on board with the whole charade, just like the democrats during Patriot Act/Iraq/Afghanistan.

I predict that just like in the 2000s, most politicians will continue supporting Coflu totalitarianism and the fox while making weak noises about money wasted.
Remember Obomba? I expect his repub equivalent is warming up for 2024 when he will continue the exact same policies as "Biden" while pretending to "be the change" or "draining the swamp".

There is still money and power to be milked out of the true believers.

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Date: 2022-02-25 04:12 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I suspect that the True Believers care less about COVID than they do about having some sort of True Belief and all it entails.

Before COVID, it was raging against Trump. Before that, it was worshiping Obama, and previous to that, hating Bush. It's true that the hysteria has ramped up - the Bush-loathing was relatively low-level and more grounded in actual policy reasons (at least it seemed to me), but the Obama-worship was less so (criticizing his political actions was deemed "racist"), and the Trump rage (and Clinton adoration) was beyond all reasonable levels of sanity (as observed by someone who didn't even like the man). Then Trump went (mostly) away, and the True Believer energy got transferred to COVID hysteria. In each case, though, there were similar elements: an enemy to hate and a politician or "expert" to worship, a set of virtues to be signaled, and an in-group/out-group dynamic: Blue Team, anti-Bush, Obama-loving, Hilary-adoring, Trump loathing, masking-vaxxing hiding-at-home people GOOD, Red team, Bush-voting, Obama-criticizing, Hillary-disliking, Trump-voting, not-buying-covid-hysteria people BAD. Members of Team Blue signaled their membership in the correct belief system in various ways, while railing with increasingly shrill levels of ever-expanding hysteria about the depravity of the caricatured "other".

So....

It wouldn't surprise me if the people in charge can manipulate the narrative to switch off COVID hysteria and switch on something else for the True Believers to obsess over and around which to build a temporary identity. What that will be and how it will work this time, I'm not sure - but I feel like once you see the pattern, it's pretty clear how it works.

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Date: 2022-02-25 08:39 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
How it works-- yes, there are patterns.

But it works as long as people remain on social media and watching TV-- and it works as long as they are alive enough to vote and shop and take some more pharmaceuticals.

Not that I'm cynical or anything.

Miss P

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