Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 29
Feb. 22nd, 2022 02:04 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
ecosophia
The semi-open posts I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a very high number of comments -- to understate the matter considerably! -- so I'm opening yet another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.
2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.
4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.
With that said, as Canadian officials launch a campaign of reprisals against citizens who supported a peaceful protest against government policy, and the words "died suddenly" become the favorite media euphemism of our time, the floor is open for discussion.
Re: (red and other) herrings murmurate too
Date: 2022-02-24 01:41 am (UTC)This is my long-winded attempt to say that trying to convince anyone with the tools like KPOO and brand/marketing blah blah is old-think (so I'm sorry they flaked out on you, but here is your chance to define your dance without their rules). They are not close enough to the "we is."
Critical mass is slow to accumulate in its accretion of one life changing at a time from within. But that's what we have to work with, and we're only as pretty as every moment's latest decision to dance (or not if that's what's right for a person).
Or something like this.
Re: (red and other) herrings murmurate too
Date: 2022-02-24 05:02 am (UTC)before we are ALL...able?....
oh! like James, you want EVERYONE to change, and until and unless it reaches a big number our being pretty won't matter to you.
maybe it's just because i'm used to odd little groups of people, but i don't think it works that way regarding what we're doing. i think we'll remain a small loose network/syndicate of unusual people doing unusual things. i don't think we're gonna hit like Elvis, nor do we want to in this current fickle disposable world. that means we'd be short-lived wasted fashionable transient trash.
i'd prefer to think we'll be consistently/fervently muddling along on the sidelines in the woods in the underground or on the fringes.
the fringes Papa G spoke of, who bring forward what was odd and make it bigger. more acceptable.
but fringes and edges... like artists and thinkers tend to./and that'd be... well, you won't even notice Normal People if it's any good.
i never did even though i've lived and gone to high school in suburban cherry hill new jersey, until san francisco got gentrified no--RAVAGED by unhappy tech people.
so i wouldn't wait on a tipping point or some kind of mass adoption. nah. you don't want that, anyhow. i've always been part of some odd group who's doing its own thing and i'm fine if most of the world is into adult coloring books regarding art.
this is where i agree with some of Papa G's more extreme and dire prophecies or visions: i'm afraid my beliefs are that a lot of people are NOT going to make it through all this into the future, but those that do will be able to build off the benefits of what we're thinking up discussing trying and doing now and WILL do, and they can either reject or refine or come up with something new altogether. they'll be ready.
as a colored girl taught to be about The Struggle, i was raised, ever since i can remember, raised for a LONG multi-generational fight. the middle passage was hundreds of years ago and Puerto Rico and the islands in the Caribbean were on the way here to Turtle Island... i just didn't think all the others would sell out so fast or easily or that it was all talk for THEM. i believed. (re KPOO for example)
i'm not worrying about the far future, though. i'm at: WHAT NEXT????
BUT most importantly: never ever make the mistake that "pitching" or "selling" is Old World advertisey talk. everything is a con(vincing) game. even and especially when you think it's not.
every book even Papa G's work is all pitch: what of another reality? would you cling to THIS one if you knew you could... if you knew there was a world outside this cage?
each generation gets degraded memories as they struggle to fit in and assimilate. there are few parents who NEVER FORGET. you don't need everyone.
everyone's selling pitching seducing with a vision an idea a story a future a way a mood a reaction. if you don't want anything you cannot be pitched sold to cajoled or convinced. that's why i don't feel sorry for many folks being scammed. most scammers appeal to the ego and fantasies and how everyone wants to be liked and FEEL GOOD. that's why some who're scammed forgive. they got what they wanted because they couldn't get it elsewhere.
just passing a table of laughing joyous people can sell you on a way a ...
well, back to that brown fizzy water.
i also think you pitch an idea by how you LIVE love and all that greeting card crap. that's where we're spellbindingly transcendentally stunning!
as for "long-winded" own the page when you're lost. you cannot hope to be neat clean and tidy when you're screaming in the middle of a global existential crisis.
if you must, you can apologize later when we've all taken showers.
but in a world with no god anymore, people like that dad who was yelling at the disney movie ending, they're DESPERATE to be pitched to by hucksters. this is where the likes of Jim Jones can appeal to disheartened people (many poor blacks who were in despair from the '60s).
i think this is why we're also in trouble. people hate their emotions. they think having them, it is like soiling oneself to FEEL. and they are completely RULED by these ignored emotions. they are faking the logic thing. everyone pretty much is at this point.
erika
Re: (red and other) herrings murmurate too
Date: 2022-02-24 04:33 pm (UTC)No, it's not what I want. We're talking past each other here. It's the slow land-speed (of glaciation) that'll get its way in the end. Has nothing to do with me wanting certain numbers (which I'm not attached to). It will happen, if indeed JMG's hunch is right that tamanous is the land-spirit-expression here.
"so i wouldn't wait on a tipping point or some kind of mass adoption"
My point is that it's a slow incursion, water-like, rising up through the land into the feet of all incarnated souls in this place. I'm not waiting to see it happen society wide because it's on its own timescale if it's truly place based. That's my whole point. And too land moves like earthquakes.
You're the most embrace-incarnation person I've ever come across and don't doubt for a second you've dowsed the state of people's minds and modes of pitching and selling. I am less than convinced though that that aligns in the end with tamanous-spirit. In hybrid times, sure.
Re: (red and other) herrings murmurate too
Date: 2022-02-24 06:25 pm (UTC)as for:
i had to ask James what you mean and he says, "she says you're a force of nature the way i and others here have said it."
so he is hip to tamanous and Papa G here although he doesn't write on here or eco main anymore because he thinks JMG always misunderstands him so he doesn't bother anymore (we ALL have egos!).
after discussing whether we'll return to the stoic cowboy ethos in this land, James said: "as long as there is language and as long as there's way to leverage other people so that you can gain from them which is what civilization is all about, you're always gonna have people trying to convince people of something so they can gain power over them."
look, Temporary Reality- i don't know ANYTHING. i don't understand PEOPLE and what and why they do what they do. but all i know for sure is that the folks who're the kindest low-key understated secrets are often the most valuable gems hidden amongst us ALL.
i'm not that gem. i FIND you gems. i've been saved and lifted up by such gems. James is one such treasure for me.
everytime i've been fired or gone off on or attacked there are you secret quiet people who GET...?
i don't know WHAT you "get." but i know there isn't enough of your energy and wisdom in THIS world. so just as you gems see the crazy likes of ME, it is in MY BEST INTEREST to have gems like you ascend to your rightful place because you tend to be just, wise, patient, open-hearted, THOUGHTFUL... and more.
so that's MY pitch. my self interested-- VERY SELF INTERESTED-- pitch. more YOU. more of THAT that you bring here. the questioning tenacity understanding empathy ...FIGHT.
kind fight.
you are here long past when most would feel embarrassed and itchy because even in real life i won't let anyone dust away the conversation out of discomfort.
back to: EARLY AGREEMENT IS SUSPECT.
i WANNA know who you are now so's to cut down on fights and misunderstandings LATER. and i can best serve YOU, back. ya dig?
tell me who you are, make my head hurt with trying to understand. that's all training from Papa G's world.
and what's funny, it's all still self-interest. GOOD. then it makes sense, can come naturally once we learn it, and it's more INTERESTING to have you come back and insist on making yourself understood.
I WANT THAT FROM YOU.
and my pitch to you is: assume it's a good thing and fight to be heard because it's good for ALL of us. when you hide and take it out of politeness to be quiet and let things go on without you, we all lose out.
and look how boring it is "one" way.
thanks for wrangling on this with me, Temporary Reality. this is road trip stuff to me. you can't just run away from the hard conversations.
thanks thanks thanks.
erika
Re: (red and other) herrings murmurate too
Date: 2022-02-24 10:39 pm (UTC)Re: (red and other) herrings murmurate too
Date: 2022-02-24 06:39 pm (UTC)MOST PEOPLE DON'T SEEM TO EVEN WANNA BE HERE ON THIS EARTH RIGHT NOW.
if i were still suicidal i might go lining up for injection after injection because it's easier than going alone to jump off a bridge or blow one's brains out.
the government is giving away free crack pipes and we've legalized shooting up outside. the sacklers made food out of unemployed poor white people. Jim Jones would be hella impressed. he's small time.
moral hazard is a THING here. i used to be bad but all the bad stuff that's been happening in my neighborhood lately is a lot done by so-called GOOD people.
remember when i said i was suicidal and starting fights? that's EVERYONE here now. that's how i see it. but i don't know anything. i only make guesses based on MYSELF, how i've felt similarly before.
i've gotta run to the store. forgot things. must stock up on olive oil!
x
erika