Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 9

[ecosophia]

The semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a very high number of comments, so I'm opening yet another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 

3. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, as we watch the reports of fatal and crippling side effects of the vaccines mount up, and more and more of the vaccinated report suffering from "the worst cold ever," the floor is open for discussion.  

Comments

UK single jabbed have best results?

[team10tim]

Data from the UK of hospitalizations and deaths by vaccination status have a curious detail that I haven't seen discussed anywhere. The people with only one dose of the vaccine have better outcomes.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1018547/Technical_Briefing_23_21_09_16.pdf

I've seen it in their weekly reports and posted the link for the for the totals from February to September. The percentage of covid cases that result in hospitalization or death is lower for the single vaxxed, >50 years old, <50 years old, <21 days since vaccine, and >21 days since vaccine.

Is this because of the short time window? Most people who get the first dose later get the second dose and so they have a limited window to catch covid? Or is single vaxxed actually better protection against covid than 0 or 2 shots?

Re: UK single jabbed have best results?

[(Anonymous)]

Weird, because el gato malo is saying that people with a single shot are in a very risky position:

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/all-cause-deaths-and-vaccination
https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/the-number-of-single-vaxxed-people

That is, if I'm following the number-crunching correctly. To be honest, statistics make my head hurt.
-Cliff

[(Anonymous)]

For those interested in ongoing Covid data, the province of Nova Scotia has a fairly good dashboard located here:

https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/204d6ed723244dfbb763ca3f913c5cad

On the bottom right, there are some charts showing the vaccination status of identified cases, hospitalizations, and deaths. This runs from March 15th of this year (unsure why that date was chosen).

In Nova Scotia, the vaccines started being given out later in February of this year to those over 80 at first. As described here: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/covid-cases-new-pandemic-active-nova-scotia-february-3-1.5899136

Then the vaccines were rolled out to various age groups as time went on until midsummer when all age groups could get their shots.

According to the Halifax Examiner: "By end of day yesterday [October 4], 81.1% of the entire population (including young children) have received at least one dose of vaccine, and 75.4% have received two doses."

https://www.halifaxexaminer.ca/featured/40-new-cases-of-covid-19-announced-in-nova-scotia-on-tuesday-october-5/

So:

- Nova Scotia has one of the most vaccinated populations in the world. Easy to do, it has a population of around 925,000 people.
- The stats don't include the vaccination status of daily case counts.
- The cumulative stats I discussed above are therefore heavily weighted against the unvaccinated, because the stats are currently counting all cases which happened while the vaccination rollout took place.
- It is a VERY small sample size, but since March 15, 31 people have died of/with Covid (unsure as to which). Of those, 3 were partially vaccinated, 3 were fully vaccinated. Probably too small of a sample size to draw any conclusions from.

Just posting in case anyone would like an additional data source for a highly vaccinated region!

[(Anonymous)]

I live in Nova Scotia, and blame is being placed on the unvaccinated by our chief medical officer. That is the data point our local authorities are determined to convey to the public - despite having reached their vaccination target rate.

Nova Scotia will be one of the last jurisdictions where the official narrative undergoes an update. This may be due to the relatively few deaths that have occurred within the province since the pandemic began. Dr. Strang is widely regarded as a hero.

[(Anonymous)]

I occasionally stop by David Brin's blog to see how a priest of progress is handling the ongoing cascading crisis.

And i was pleasantly surprised to see a link evaluating the lab leak vs natural origins for Covid.

https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/

The evidence indicates a lab creation of covid is substantially more likely to to true.

And the data out of the UK indicate that for anyone over 40 years old if you have a double jab of "vaccine" you are more likely to get covid than someone unvaccinated (by about 60% for people aged 40-70)

[(Anonymous)]

Isn't this that you are more likely to test positive for covid? And wouldn't we expect vaccinated people to be taking more tests, just due to their general outlook on the whole situation? Given how many people have light or no symptoms, don't we need to add a decent (but unknowable) number on to the total for unvaccinated cases before arriving at a comparable figure? Or had someone already done that maths to arrive at the comparison you're citing here?

[brenainn]

I know this has probably been covered in the past open threads but since I've been unable to follow them closely, and can't read through what amounts to a few thousand comments by now, I'll ask the commentariat: is there anything someone who has received the jab can do to strengthen their immune system and achieve some protection from ADE?

[ecosophia]

I'm certainly not qualified to offer advice on that subject and the notes below should be taken as a matter of historical interest only.

Back in the day, when biochemic cell salts were commonly used by occultists and their properties were taught in many occult correspondence courses, it was held that the negative health consequences of mainstream medicine could be treated with a course of Nat. mur. 6x and Kali sulph. 6x, three doses of each every day, in alternation -- that is, a dose of one on rising, a dose of the other a few hours later and so on. Illnesses that caused blood clotting or damaged the epithelial cells lining the blood vessels were treated with Calc. sulph. 6x and Kali mur. 6x, taken together four times daily. When acute inflammatory illnesses occurred, the treatment recommended in those days was Ferrum phos. 6x and Nat. sulph. 6x, taken together four times daily. The usual dose for an adult was four tablets, and of course 6x is a specific homeopathic dilution.

Again, none of this should be taken as anything approaching medical advice, which I am not legally qualified to preside, and does not claim to treat, heal, or cure any illness or set of illnesses. It is provided purely as a historical curiosity.

Weakened immunity

[(Anonymous)]

Anecdotally noticing a surge in normally healthy people getting sick, all jabbed.

Spoke to a friend today, who had been badly sick for weeks, and we briefly discussed why.

He volunteered the notion it could be vaccine connected but looked petrified by it so felt very uncomfortable about continuing it further. Like most people he is double jabbed.

There seems to be a slowly awakening process that something is going terribly wrong.

Re: Weakened immunity

[upstateny]

All living beings are, first and foremost, energetic beings. Deep down, whether acknowledged out loud or not, people who have been vaccinated are worried. Most of them inherently know something is off.

It can be hard, as an unvaxxed, to remember this when we're being called vile names, ostracized, fired from jobs, losing income, watching our families and friendships fracture.

I struggle with this at times. The situation has been hard here in NY. But I encourage people to try to be sympathetic to others. To be caring. To relax and go with the ebb and flow as best possible.

People have made a mistake. We all make mistakes. In this particular case, far too many have paid with their lives or their quality of life. Our government is to blame for presenting these injections as "simply the same as getting a flu shot." Oh, how we wish.

Stay strong. Stay loving. Stay kind.

Or at least try. We're all human, after all. ;-)

Conflicting headlines

[stcathalexandria]

Two studies by two different groups for about the same time period with strikingly different results:

From July 2021 "U.S. vaccination campaign prevented up to 279,000 COVID-19 deaths" https://news.yale.edu/2021/07/08/us-vaccination-campaign-prevented-279000-covid-19-deaths

Today "COVID-19 vaccines may have saved the lives of 39,000 seniors in US: HHS study"https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/covid-19-vaccines-may-have-saved-the-lives-of-39000-seniors-in-us-hhs-study/ar-AAPaif1

In three months the vaccines went from saviors to meh.

Re: Conflicting headlines

[upstateny]

To be honest, I find it difficult to believe any studies (is that what they are?) that show vaccination "prevented" hospitalizations and deaths.

How do they KNOW that? Serious question. How does anyone KNOW that x person would have been hospitalized, that x person would have died? Based on what? What's the control group? How many comorbidities does x person have? Do ALL people with those cormibidities wind up hospitalized and dead? If not, then how do you know x person was saved these outcomes?

Just asking, since no one seems to be questioning why the elephant is not only in the room, but sitting on our heads.

Natural Infection vs Vaccination

[escorcher]

As more people question the ongoing effectiveness of all the current vaccines this little baby pops up to shore up the justification (also known as 'The Science'™ in 2021) for them, at least relatively:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/10/211004104303.htm

'"Reinfection can reasonably happen in three months or less," said Jeffrey Townsend, the Elihu Professor of Biostatistics at the Yale School of Public Health and a lead author of the study. "Therefore, those who have been naturally infected should get vaccinated. Previous infection alone can offer very little long-term protection against subsequent infections."'

I've seen enough other evidence to object to this statement. Recovery from natural infection gives more rounded antibody creation than the 'spike-protein' based vaccines, useful even if reinfection occurs. And evidence from other coronavirus infection analysis suggests protection from reinfection lasts 6-12 months or often more. Likely no worse than these leaky vaccines, and almost certainly better, all things that have been discussed here over the last 8 weeks considered.

In fact here's info from October 2020 - that's when short lived immunity meant a year or two, not a few months!:

https://www.sciencealert.com/35-year-study-of-coronavirus-reinfections-suggests-human-immunity-is-short-lived

Re: Natural Infection vs Vaccination

[(Anonymous)]

Those people are full of bullhockey:

(https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1)
(https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full)
(https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.19.21262111v1.full)

These links were posted in prior Open Posts by an assortment of Anonymouses.
Beaucoup thanks to them and to our awesome host.

- Cicada Grove

Current mood becomes "grim"?

[(Anonymous)]

Never saw JMG so worried. What changed?

Also, are we going to see happy ending with the images or sad ending?

Re: Current mood becomes "grim"?

[ecosophia]

I'm hearing way too many reports of vaccinated people who have "the worst cold ever" and aren't getting well. That's what I would expect to see if ADE or some other vaccine-driven immune failure is taking place. If that spreads and accelerates, we could be facing scenes of a sort that haven't been seen since the heyday of the Black Death.

As for a happy ending, we're nowhere near the ending yet, and I don't see many signs that it's going to be a happy one.

Scenario planning and training document

[(Anonymous)]

I wanted to repost this pdf link which I originally added to an early open post. I just reread it and found it even more compelling with the time that has passed, and events that have occurred, in the interim.

It's a scenario planning exercise from 2017/2018, and it's has strikingly close parallels to what we've lived through. What is most interesting to me right now is chapter 17, 18 & 19. I suspect, as this is what was wargamed, this will be how things more or less play out over the next year or so, if all goes as according to the earlier training scenarios.

https://jhsphcenterforhealthsecurity.s3.amazonaws.com/spars-pandemic-scenario.pdf

arms against a sea of troubles

[frittermywig]

To directly oppose the Covid madness is unhelpful and possibly dangerous. That's my understanding of JMG's essay "Strange Days Dawning." I hear the same message in the recently shared video by Stefan Molyneaux. And another video, by an Israeli psychiatrist, that I found compelling: "Treating World's Psychosis 1: Don't Try too Hard to Wake People Up."

On the other hand we have examples like Dr. John Day: "I have intentionally decided to stand, immediately, with a scapegoated group [the unvaccinated], not least because I believe the group is right to resist conformity pressure, but because now is the time when a firm stance, before the onset of a real crisis, might be the most influential on the future course of society." Dr. Daniel Nagase is another.

I go back and forth between the positions: Wanting to fight courageously against the crazy, then prudently seeking to distance myself and my family from it. I don't know which is right. The crazy is ubiquitous. My church is fully captured. My doctor is fully captured (IVM is generally used as a horse de-wormer, he literally told me this week). Friends and family all fully on board with the Narrative.

I'm starting a Covid scrapbook/journal where I track day-to-day my understanding of what's happening. I imagine a future Covid-19 Truth and Reconciliation proceeding where I'll be able to show the incredulous magistrates my journal so they can appreciate the lunacy that reigned in 2021.

If anyone in the Toronto area wants to connect to compare notes or just express mutual sympathy, I've posted my email address on my profile page. Cheers!

Re: arms against a sea of troubles

[temporaryreality]

The journal idea is a good one. I've been thinking lately of how it would be possible to do something like that and I guess the best way is to simply start.

Any tweaks to the JMG hypothesis 9 weeks out?

[(Anonymous)]

JMG and everyone else, any tweaks, changes, etc. to the hypothesis JMG put out there at the beginning of this set of open posts? They haven't declared victory to cover up the failure of the vaccine mandate yet (I think that was step 10?) but the inability of the government and business to function is getting pretty evident.
The Department of Defense just formalized their vaccine mandate for civilian personnel this week: get vaccinated by November 22 or else. They said that they don't have any procedures for religious exemptions or health exemptions, but they are coming (When? On November 23?) And so on November 23, what will they do to all those unvaccinated DoD civilian government employees? There are DoD installations all over the United States and all of them have civilian government employees, so it is hard for me to believe that this will be accepted without challenge. But we will see...

Re: Any tweaks to the JMG hypothesis 9 weeks out?

[ecosophia]

So far we're still in the early stages of step 10; we haven't seen the declarations of victory yet, though outbreaks in the vaccinated are becoming more and more common. I haven't yet seen anything that would change my hypothesis, unfortunately.

Like denying the pull of gravity

[(Anonymous)]

A recent hit piece in the Calgary Herald demonstrates how bizarre the accepted narrative has become. Two local pediatricians wrote lengthy open letters discussing their concerns with the mandates in Alberta, including numerous citations.

They clarify they are not ‘anti-vaxxers’ and review a lot of what is currently known and probably more importantly, what we don’t yet know. Like the potential for ADE.

In response, they have been accused of ‘cherry-picking’ data and ridiculed. For example:

“Timothy Caulfield, a Canada Research Chair in health law and policy at the University of Alberta, said it is frustrating to see regulated health professionals spread what he characterized as misinformation.

“To suggest there is a lack of efficacy is patently ridiculous. At this stage, it is like denying the pull of gravity,” Caulfield said.

“The data on safety is also incredibly impressive. Not only do we have impressive clinical trials, but the vaccines have been administered to hundreds of millions of people, so we also have mountains of surveillance data.”

The doctors are cherry-picking evidence to support their views, Caulfield contended”

I will pause here to note that these “impressive clinical trials”, as they were referred to by Caulfield, included the elimination of the control group. That strikes me as a scientific no-no. I’d wager that it would be a better use of Caulfield’s Health Law Institute resources to review the ethics and morality of eliminating a control group prior to the global release and subsequent coercion of individuals into taking the experimental treatment. But I doubt they would listen to me.

I believe these letters coincided with an announcement by the physicians’ regulatory body that they will be cracking down on any doctors who don’t spew the official narrative (I’m paraphrasing, obviously.). If these pediatricians are not already under investigation, they will be soon. Their employer, Alberta Health Services, does not accept dissent in the ranks.


I have included the links below for anyone interested.

Dr. Payne’s letter:
https://calgaryherald.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Sep-15-FINAL-PAYNE-CPSA-letter.pdf

Dr. Vila’s letter:
https://calgaryherald.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Letter-to-AHS-vaccine-mandate-Sept-21-2021.pdf

And the Calgary Herald hit piece:
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/alberta-childrens-hospital-doctors-face-criticism-for-letters-opposing-vaccine-mandate/wcm/7a0fa982-2550-43c2-9e07-55ea976bbec7/amp/

Re: Like denying the pull of gravity

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, it is just like denying the reality of gravity, because wherever you test that, over three-quarters of dropped objects still fall to the ground reliably and less than a quarter float up into the sky.

What?

[(Anonymous)]

Looking at reports from independent medical providers, scientists and reporters here and especially abroad, I am starting to feel there is something larger and possibly nefarious going on. I have never paid much attention to conspiracies before the past few months. However, the irrational and draconian measures being implemented - at least by Western governments - are causing me serious concerns about what is happening. Almost as soon as I read or see anything critical of (you know what), they seem to disappear or become difficult to find again. Does anyone have any real knowledge of what is going on?

[(Anonymous)]

It's been this way from the very beginning. Mega-foggy. Raise a question, however rational and obvious and mild, and it's "you must be a looney anti-vaxxer!!"

You ask, Does anyone have any real knowledge of what's going on? I think some people have some pieces of the puzzle. For example, you can get all crunchy and get into reading about gain-of-function research and, pretty quickly, you start smelling something fishy with Dr Fauci. I have not read it yet, but based on what I have read from him over the past year, I expect that Robert F. Kennedy Jr's book will detail and document more of that, for example.

But there are other dimensions, including the metaphysical, never an easy thing to openly or sensibly discuss. My sense is, it's not necessarily wise to discuss, either. That doesn't mean it isn't there.

[tamanous2020]

A couple of observations.

1. While masks and vaccines are still highly publicized, the average person out here in the southwest is operating in a 2019 manner. No real enforcement of mask requirements (things like Uber typically don't challenge if you enter the vehicle without one) and the average anxiety in conversations is more regarding supply chain issues then anything else.

2. In paying an eye on the media, Private corporations outside the medical sector have been remarkably quiet about enforcing vaccine mandates, even in consideration of executive branch. The recent attempt to cram in a $70k fine per vaccine mandate violation into the federal infrastructure bill went over like a lead balloon when discovered.

3. Supply chain problems are becoming very noticeable, even some regular items on grocery stores. My family has contacts in the construction industry and supplies are hard to come by and costs and lead times are up dramatically. Personally, I'm trying to square away items I'll need in the next 60 days before this worsens.

4. The worst cold ever does appear to be a real thing here too. At work, a few people who took the vaccines when they first came out in April/May appear to have worsening overall health. Additionally, I'm noticing a higher then average sick day usage compared to last year with people out for longer then usual.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm also in the Southwest (greater Phoenix AZ area) and its thankfully still the Wild West here. Some stores still ask that you wear a mask, but very few require it. Some of the schools are a different matter, but thankfully my kids haven't had to deal with that again yet.

I feel most people are just tired of dealing with and hearing about Covid, though I have a few hardcore lefty friends who are terrified of it still. While I do not really want to encourage more Californians to move here, if you are looking to relocate to a less Covid crazy place, you could do much worse than the Phoenix area. The weather is paradise right now.

My only real concern is that I am a federal government contractor, and so expect to hear about mandates at work any day now. My wife is a nurse, and I know several of the big hospitals have mandated the vaccine, but her work has not yet. They are hurting for nurses bad, offering her time and a half + $30 an hour + $300 plus bonuses if she'll pick up an extra shift.

[ari_ormstunga]

A 15 year old healthy child died after receiving the vaccine:

https://redstate.com/jenniferoo/2021/10/05/exclusive-in-ca-otherwise-healthy-15-year-old-dies-two-days-after-second-pfizer-shot-n452135

Another Project Veritas video:

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2021/10/05/watch-undercover-project-veritas-video-shows-pfizer-scientists-countering-government-narrative-n452094

On a personal note, my girlfriend essentially told her employer to stop harassing her about getting the vaccine. It seems they have, although she has to take a home Covid test each week. She gave them some of the information and presented some of the concerns posted here, but everyone is completely sold on the "safe and effective" narrative there. Conversely, almost everyone at my workplace thinks the vaccines are the mark of the Beast or are part of a depopulation agenda. Crazy times.

[open_space]

Project Veritas is sticking it against them properly. Getting inside people to speak by the kind of questions they ask was genius. I wonder with what face they went to work the next day.

[(Anonymous)]

Data point from Romania, the medical authorities here found a way to cover the dying vaccinated young people they just claim the patient recognised before they died, that the vaccine was actually fake, no need to prove it, no prosecutions. This is so low. What can you expect from a regime that gave the Pitesti Prison.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pite%C8%99ti_Prison

[(Anonymous)]

Hi, thanks for the info from Romania.
Do you have any blogs/news site that are opposing the narrative? Someone (maybe you) posted a link to activenews.ro and I find it useful. Is there anything else?

I found that in most countries, the conformism increases as you move up to richer people or intellectuals. Is it the same in Romania?

Thanks!

NYC schools update

[(Anonymous)]

Good morning everyone,

A few people asked me to continue updating on the situation in here in the city. For anyone interested, here we are:

The mandate went into effect over the weekend. Noncompliant teachers and school employees were barred from entering our schools yesterday morning. We've been put on involuntary leave without pay; for the time being we retain our health insurance, and we can return to our positions should we decide to comply. In the meantime we cannot accept other employment or apply for unemployment.

If the city's numbers are to be believed, the mandate was quite effective in "convincing" a lot of my colleagues. Ten days ago they were saying there were 28,000 employees who hadn't uploaded proof of vaccination; yesterday they said it's down to 8,000. In all, 96% of teachers complied before the deadline. I'll be watching the local media and talking to people I actually know before I decide whether I believe those numbers or not. But many of the teachers I know personally who'd been resisting decided over the last week or so that they had to say their prayers and get the shot.

The mayor was gloating today, saying this is proof that mandates work, he should have done it sooner, he thought it would be harder. He urged mayors and governors everywhere to  follow suit. He says of the holdouts, he thinks "the absence of pay in their life is going to really make an impact on their thinking." But we can come back as soon as we comply, so "this is a situation where there's more than one chance for redemption." This is so spooky. Coercion does seem to be working here; they may really be able to pull this off.

It's very hard to imagine the schools being anything but a mess after this, though I'm not sure that even matters at this point.

It appears that the thousands of vaccinated substitutes the city was boasting include a lot of workers from the central offices, who received notices on Friday evening to report to various schools around the city on Monday. Some are licensed teachers who've been out of the classroom for a bit, and others were in the purchasing department or wherever. Meanwhile the city is advertising positions for thousands of subs; one sub at a friend's school yesterday said she had pages and pages of jobs to choose from that morning.

Another friend who runs a small private elementary school and several city-contracted pre-K sites tells me all her DOE support staff were pulled from her late last week, and she's already had two of her own teachers poached by the DOE since Friday.

Meanwhile there was another suit in court today challenging the mandates. Where the previous challenges were pretty broad, this one focused on the DOE's limiting of religious and medical exemptions as a violation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. I just heard that the judge declined to issue a restraining order, so the case may go ahead but there's no relief today. (I wasn't holding my breath.)

We're definitely in an uncertain period here. I'm a bit demoralized today, tbh. I'm ready to weather this for a certain while but I can't do it indefinitely without a new plan. So, trying to hustle and pray an unforeseen opportunity into being in time. And watching, and waiting. It is getting darker, isn't it?

We'll see!

J.

Re: NYC schools update

[(Anonymous)]

What are these people who have been coerced going to think now? Are they going to meekly accept they were wrong and the leaders were right to force them get the shot? I doubt it. They are going viscerally feel that the system has betrayed them. Especially when they inevitably get covid anyway. All that will have been achieved is to create millions more people who despise the "system" and who will no longer do the little things necessary to uphold it.

ADE Question

[troyjonesiii]

I have a question about ADE which I have not had much luck researching, for anyone out there more knowledgeable than me. (All ADE-related material I've found is too technical and jargony for me to follow.)

If it turns out that the vaccines do cause ADE, is it possible or likely that the danger of ADE will go away at some point? Does the fact that the vaccines' efficacy seems to fade after 5-6 months mean that the risk of ADE will fade along with it? Or is it more likely that the danger of ADE will be a lifelong thing, as with Dengue fever, long after the vaccines' protection has faded to nothing? Are we looking at the possibility that every bout of the flu or common cold will be potentially deadly for the jabbed, forever?

I kinda would prefer we not lose a third of the world's population to a COVID-vaccine-enhanced flu outbreak.

Re: ADE Question

[(Anonymous)]

Wondering a similar thing as well. Hard to pin down the answer, but it seems like the later, life long issues, might be the case.

Regarding your preference, me too. But this might apply:

https://twitter.com/BretWeinstein/status/1444041188445618176

Certain peoples preferences matter more than others.

Mandatory Vaccination Bill Reintroduced in France

[(Anonymous)]

In France, a mandatory vaccination bill was put forward this summer, although it didn't pass. Looks like they are trying again. If passed, it would apply to all citizens, with fines for non-compliance starting at 150 euros, marching up to 1500 euros per citation.


https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2021-10-05/french-senate-introduces-bill-mandate-covid-19-vaccinations-all-beginning-january-1

Re: Mandatory Vaccination Bill Reintroduced in France

[escorcher]

I do not get how this is even remotely suggestable until a decent longer term safety profile is confirmed. The vaccines are still EUA or have I missed something? Proper crazy.

San Diego County, CA Update

[(Anonymous)]

I have compared the numbers for August to the numbers for September.

It doesn't look to me like anything spectacular is happening, but there some slight upticks in hospitalization rates and death rates, regardless of injection status.
We have some Black people in the county, whose rate of at least one shot is 42.7%, so they are somewhat of a control group. (The county is calling 1 shot or more "vaccinated".)

Raw numbers of cases across all groups have dropped in September to about 2/3 of the number we saw in August. Graphs in other places on the San Diego site
(https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/sdc/hhsa/programs/phs/community_epidemiology/dc/2019-nCoV/status.html)
make it clear that the Delta wave has crested and is now subsiding in this county.

The changes in the raw numbers of hospitalizations was mixed, and the raw numbers of deaths edged upwards from August to September.
But with the smaller number of cases, most of these represented higher percentages of the cases for those subgroups.

I will give you the raw data I have and you can see what you think of it. Hopefully this formatting will be clear enough:


Number of Cases:
Group ....... Aug ...... Sept

0-9 yo ..... 2,998 ..... 2,271
10-19 yo ... 4,200 ..... 3,016
20-29 yo ... 6,794 ..... 3,697
30-39 yo ... 6,000 ..... 3,862
40-49 yo ... 4,239 ..... 2,812
50-59 yo ... 3,399 ..... 2,215
60-69 yo ... 2,304 ..... 1,566
70-79 yo ... 1,022 ....... 726
80+ yo ....... 544 ....... 398

Women ..... 15,622 .... 10,213
Men ....... 15,659 .... 10,173

Hispanic .. 10,783 ..... 6,247
White ..... 10,895 ..... 7,046
Black ...... 1,573 ....... 878
Asian ...... 1,734 ....... 979
All Others . 9,217 ..... 5,420


Cases per 100,000:
Group ........ Aug ...... Sept

0-9 yo ...... 691.5 ..... 523.8
10-19 yo .... 968.4 ..... 695.4
20-29 yo .. 1,279.7 ..... 696.4
30-39 yo .. 1,224.5 ..... 788.1
40-49 yo .. 1,062.1 ..... 704.6
50-59 yo .... 840.4 ..... 547.7
60-69 yo .... 677 ....... 460.2
70-79 yo .... 511.3 ..... 364.2
80+ yo ...... 454 ....... 332.1

Women ....... 940.1 ..... 614.6
Men ......... 926.5 ..... 602

Hispanic .... 986.2 ..... 571.3
White ....... 721.3 ..... 466.5
Black ....... 933.8 ..... 521.2
Asian ....... 405.5 ..... 229
All Others .. - - ....... - -


Raw Number of Hospitalizations (% of cases for that group):
Group ......... Aug ............. Sept

0-9 yo ....... 35 (1.2%) ....... 98 (4.3%)
10-19 yo ..... 27 (0.64%) ..... 104 (3.4%)
20-29 yo ..... 70 (1.0%) ....... 53 (1.4%)
30-39 yo .... 130 (2.2%) ....... 65 (1.7%)
40-49 yo .... 138 (3.3%) ....... 90 (3.2%)
50-59 yo .... 155 (4.6%) ....... 99 (4.5%)
60-69 yo .... 168 (7.3%) ...... 125 (8%)
70-79 yo .... 108 (10.6%) ...... 90 (12.4%)
80+ yo ....... 88 (16.2%) ...... 77 (19.3%)

Women ....... 421 (2.7%) ...... 325 (3.2%)
Men ......... 497 (3.2%) ...... 477 (4.7%)

Hispanic .... 313 (2.9%) ...... 329 (5.3%)
White ....... 341 (3.1%) ...... 282 (4%)
Black ........ 57 (3.6%) ....... 39 (4.4%)
Asian ........ 51 (2.9%) ....... 36 (3.7%)
All Others .. 157 (1.7%) ...... 116 (2.1%)


Number of Deaths (% of cases for that group):
Group ....... Aug ........ Sept ....... Sept "vaccinated" %

0-9 yo ......... 0 ............ 0 ........... 0%
10-19 yo ..... 0 ............. 0 ............. 67.4%
20-29 yo ..... 0 ............. 2 (0.05%).. 65.1%
30-39 yo ..... 2 (0.03%) .. 6 (0.2%) .. 74.0%
40-49 yo .... 11 (0.26%) . 15 (0.5%) .. 83.8%
50-59 yo .... 18 (0.53%) . 20 (0.9%) .. 85.6%
60-69 yo .... 25 (1.1%) .. 54 (3.4%) .. 93.6%
70-79 yo .... 23 (2.3%) .. 27 (3.7%) .. 99.9%
80+ yo ...... 24 (4.4%) .. 36 (9%) .... 85.1%

Women ...... 32 (0.2%) . 65 (0.6%) .. 84.0%
Men .......... 71 (0.45%) . 93 (0.9%) .. 73.65

Hispanic .... 38 (0.35%) . 56 (0.9%) .. 75.7%
White ....... 34 (0.31%) . 65 (0.9%) .. 64.7%
Black ......... 5 (0.32%) . 6 (0.7%) ... 47.2%
Asian ......... 9 (0.52%). 13 (1.3%) ... 71.3%
All Others .. 17 (0.2%) . 18 (0.3%) ... unk

- Cicada Grove

Re: San Diego County, CA Update

[(Anonymous)]

Death rate appears to increasing substantially especially among older ages groups, although that could just be a lag effect (deaths peak roughly 3-4 weeks after cases peak).

Mark L

[reid_pnw]

Thought I'd mention I just got a Moderna ad on my phone with scrolling text. I had to laugh when "Vaccination may not be suitable for everyone" slowly turned up. Not like almost any of us have a choice in the matter, despite the fine print.

[lp9]

I keep waiting for the situation to crack open and it's just not happening here in my East Coast location.

My boss is absolutely terrified of COVID. Her response to vaccinated people getting sick is to double down--vaccinations required by November 1 for all staff AND all our volunteers (we're a small nonprofit), either an N95 mask or these Envo respirator masks with any filter hole covered AND a cloth mask over top of that (required at all times, inside and outside). She wanted to mandate boosters but since it was only approved for over 65 she couldn't include that in our policy--yet.

I think she will go to her grave believing that vaccines are the great savior.

[(Anonymous)]

Hey there -

Greetings from another East Coaster who works at a small nonprofit with a boss terrified of covid.

Everyone is required to be vaccinated or have a weekly negative test, and to wear masks on site at all times. I'm relatively lucky insofar that I work part-time and mostly remotely, so the testing hasn't been too burdensome. (I am also in the process of lining up some new work, so I should be able to quit The Asylum - as I've taken to calling it - by the end of the year.)

And yes, the same thing is going on. My boss is dumbfounded that vaxxed people are catching covid. We have one vaxxed worker whose had it TWICE since her jabs. But it does nothing to shake her faith in the Holy Vax.

It's nuts.

[(Anonymous)]

I had to chuckle silently when I saw that the new Merck "miracle pill" against covid is named after Thor's hammer and then that set the pharmaceuticals that provide vaccines stock plunging. If the vaccine turns out the be seriously wrong all savor the further plunge into the abyss of their stock.

Small but interesting study

[(Anonymous)]

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7

«At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days (Fig. 1). In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people.

Notably, Israel with over 60% of their population fully vaccinated had the highest COVID-19 cases per 1 million people in the last 7 days. The lack of a meaningful association between percentage population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases is further exemplified, for instance, by comparison of Iceland and Portugal. Both countries have over 75% of their population fully vaccinated and have more COVID-19 cases per 1 million people than countries such as Vietnam and South Africa that have around 10% of their population fully vaccinated.»

Re: Small but interesting study

[(Anonymous)]

The difference in COVID cases might be explained by the differences in testing between wealthy countries like Israel and the UK and poorer countries like Vietnam and South Africa. Remember that the most likely outcome of a COVID-19 infection is a bad coldlike illness. HOWEVER, if is the case that the epidemic is equally bad in poor countries, but only the sick get tested, we would expect that the hospitalization/death rates in those countries would be higher.

[(Anonymous)]

You know things are really bad when the rats are trying to flee the ship:
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/10/04/francis-collins-nih-step-down-515114