Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 5

[ecosophia]

The semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a huge number of comments, so I'm opening another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 

3. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion. 

Comments

Re: Horrifying

[(Anonymous)]

I don't harbor any animosity towards the vaxxed who recognize and respect the free will of others in the question of whether or not to get vaxxed. In fact, I often refrain from inveighing against the vaccines, which I think are dangerous in both long-term and short-term effects, in front of people who I know or suspect were vaccinated because I don't want to make them worry about what they may have done to themselves. What's done is done, after all, and there's no sense in making people feel bad or anxious about it. More militant non-covaxxers (I'm not an "anti-vaxxer", I think properly-tested vaccines are great) may feel differently, but that's just how I roll in general, probably owing to my Pisces Moon.

That said, once my own employer institutes a date by which you have to be vaccinated or start being tested monthly (no way is any company that cares about its "bottom line" before anything else going to eat the cost of weekly testing of all those who don't want to get vaxxed, so I can pretty much count on having to pay for the testing should I choose that option), I'll probably knuckle under, but not until the latest possible date. It has been made clear to me by the Universe time and again that the job I've held for the previous 23 years is my place in the world, and there probably wouldn't be any other for me were I to willingly give it up. And I'm not strong enough to deal with being eventually destitute and homeless and a possible burden to my mother and older brother. I also rely on health insurance from my job to treat my type 2 diabetes and eat in a way that helps keep the disease under control.

As misguided as it is, the whole thing leaves me feeling just a little bit existentially betrayed. After all, I thought that the deal was, just as long as I accept being pretty much alone and marginal in my place in the world, I will be largely left alone. Now it feels as though Darth Vader just marched into the room with his long, black cape billowing behind him saying, "I have altered the deal. Pray I don't alter it further!"
--Mr. Nobody

Re: Horrifying

[(Anonymous)]

good luck with all that; unfortunately once you "knuckle under," you end up just feeling like a potted plant existing in a human body waiting to die.

--erika lopez

Re: Horrifying

[(Anonymous)]

Yep, that's why I will think of this incarnation as being effectively over once that happens. "A corpse waiting to be sent to the grave", as George Orwell so poignantly phrased it in *1984*.

Re: Horrifying

[(Anonymous)]

That scene and that dialogue has played in my mind on loop the past year and a half. Every time Faucci flip flopped I heard it. At first it sounded humorous and I laughed, but I've stopped laughing over time.

Re: Horrifying

[(Anonymous)]

I think this is a test, part II. Who will pass it?

It is one thing to have gotten vaxxed back when the vax was new, and so little information was available, almost all the doctors and governments were enthusiastically pushing it, and everyone was traumatized from the lockdowns and constant barrage of news about covid cases. In fact the people I know who got the vax in the spring and summer of 2020 went to great lengths to get it, and considered themselves very fortunate and grateful.

That was Part I.

However now, after these many many months, we're into Part II, where there is a much larger information set. Many people are aware that the leading vaxxes are mRNA, not traditional vaccines, as we have always understood them. Many are also becoming aware that this is not a "one and done." The vax expires, you will need booster shots. Getting a vax didn't mean you could give up your mask. Some vaxxes are not recognized by some governments-- so maybe you got the wrong vax. (Where I am, for example, Sputnik and Chinese vaxxes are not legally recognized.) Now everyone knows someone who suffered a severe side effect or injury from the vax, and everyone knows of a number of people who just happened to have had a stroke or heart attack or hemorrhage of some kind recently (which could be an effect of the vax, or could not be an effect of the vax-- who really knows?).

If you can lift a finger, you can now find torrents of alternative information (not just conspiracy theories but experienced and eloquent medical doctors, and scientists, on BitChute, Odysee, various podcasts, sites such as this forum here), enough to suggest that, for anyone, and especially for anyone who has already had covid, and anyone who is presently healthy, getting vaxxed may be a REALLY bad idea. In any event, the very serious risks of the vaxxes are spelled out now, and they do not compare to the risks-- again for an otherwise healthy person-- of dying or getting permanently disabled from a case of covid.

Meanwhile, Joe Biden has just made a terrifyingly fascist speech that, apart from violating the US Constitution in the most egregious way, logically, makes no sense.

Joe Biden said: "We want to protect vaccinated workers from unvaccinated workers."

You don't need more than a nanosecond to process that as gobbledygook, unless your head got stuck in some astral cement block.

Biden also said: "This is not about freedom."

Like I said, I think this is a test. Who will pass it?


Periwinkle Mumbling Alligator

Re: Horrifying

[(Anonymous)]

Mr. Nobody,

I'm sorry you're in this position. I hope that in the end you're able to maintain your job and your personal choice as to whether or not to be vaccinated. I am hoping that this all somehow unwinds in the least gruesome way possible before this mandate even goes into effect--or that the various legal challenges end up being successful. I consider it possible, even if I'll only believe it when I see it.

It's funny, I have been expecting the collapse for years now, and have imagined it playing out in varying bad degrees. Yet I never expected this. The pandemic itself, sure--and in a sane world, I would have been thankful that this is the pandemic we got, considering how much worse it could have been from a sheer disease standpoint. But all the knock on effects--the social insanity, the demonization and division, the way that so many people who I thought I understood veered so far in a direction that I can barely comprehend, the sense of oppression and the inability to actually talk through all this craziness in a truly blunt and honest way--that's what has knocked me for such a loop.

I expected us to collapse, I just never thought it would look and feel like this. It's a good reminder that the world is under no obligation to act the way you think it should.

Re: Horrifying

[(Anonymous)]

Mr Nobody, you're the only one who knows what's right for you. If/when the time comes, I hope you can make your decision with confidence, whatever it is. If you take the vax, there might be side effects. But you could say that about any important decision, couldn't you? There's so much we don't know.

BTW I identify with your "deal"...I feel something similar in my life. Things seem to go much better when I keep my head down.

Chris in VT

Re: Horrifying

[yuccaglauca]

Bruh,

A job's never that important. Sorry to disagree with "the Universe" and all that, but seriously. Or maybe it really is that important--that important that you take a few months off while things get crazy so that there are people with experience left to rebuild whatever your field is once the mandates go away.

>>there probably wouldn't be any other for me
>>I'm not strong enough
>>destitute and homeless
>>I accept being pretty much alone and marginal in my place in the world

Your attitude sucks. Will JMG count that as a personal attack and not put this through? If it doesn't get posted, then too bad. If it does, then listen up: You're capable of a heck of a lot more than you're giving yourself credit for. If you're right about the importance of your job, then that's all the more reason to not blunt your potential so that you can truly fulfill that position with all the ability the Divine will give you. And if not, then maybe this is just a great way to pop out of a self-limiting rut.

I'm speaking up because this is the same kind of shale that I used to frack, and it doesn't lead anywhere good. This thread's main topic aside, consider working with some good instructions in the science of living before you decide to dry up and blow away. Those instructions certainly made a difference in my life.