Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 5
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ecosophia
The semi-open posts I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a huge number of comments, so I'm opening another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.
2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.
3. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.
With that said, the floor is open for discussion.
Re: I repost the gets
Date: 2021-09-12 03:56 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2021-09-12 04:02 am (UTC)Also, I do hope you didn't think I was tsk-tsk'ing you for letting the guy through; my remark was about those other comments that I don't think exist.
Re: Horrifying
Date: 2021-09-12 04:08 am (UTC)I had an intense encounter with Minerva yesterday during my meditation, who is not a god I have previously had a relationship with. It was a helpful encounter, and she gave me the sense that she intended justice to be done, one way or another. I don't really know what that will mean, including for me.
I at first prayed to her to bring justice to the world, but then felt uneasy about that. I don't know what justice would be; what it would look like; and it feels like too big an ask for me to make, especially given how little I know and understand. And so instead I am now praying for Minerva to inspire justice within me and to help me be just in my actions and in my relationships with others. I see that in part as, just as you said, avoiding the darkness of hatred and fear.
For anyone who deals in or is interested in the Greek/Roman deities and feels so inclined, a few prayers to Minerva/Athena might not be out of order. It was really quite powerful when she came to me the other day; I felt as though she has intents I can't fathom, and that there are some very powerful forces stirring just now that she is involved in. I suspect the coming months and years are really going to be something. Should that be the case, I hope I'll have the strength for it.
Minor Hockey League making vaccines Mandatory in Ontario
Date: 2021-09-12 04:15 am (UTC)I went to a bar with a friend tonight where a woman informed me her son's friend of similar age now has a permanent heart injury due to this policy. I have written my local MP, and written the executive director of Alliance hockey, and provided them articles form the Guardian recently published and article from reputable medical group I found on this sight as evidence that this policy is putting children's lives in danger.
Against the wishes of my wife and son, and in an action that will certainly damage his mental health and drive a wedge into our relationship, I will have to make the decision to pull him out of hockey. I want these people who mandated this policy to pay for the injuries they are causing to children.
Re: Horrifying
Date: 2021-09-12 04:17 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2021-09-12 04:21 am (UTC)Re: Horrifying
Date: 2021-09-12 04:25 am (UTC)I'm sorry you're in this position. I hope that in the end you're able to maintain your job and your personal choice as to whether or not to be vaccinated. I am hoping that this all somehow unwinds in the least gruesome way possible before this mandate even goes into effect--or that the various legal challenges end up being successful. I consider it possible, even if I'll only believe it when I see it.
It's funny, I have been expecting the collapse for years now, and have imagined it playing out in varying bad degrees. Yet I never expected this. The pandemic itself, sure--and in a sane world, I would have been thankful that this is the pandemic we got, considering how much worse it could have been from a sheer disease standpoint. But all the knock on effects--the social insanity, the demonization and division, the way that so many people who I thought I understood veered so far in a direction that I can barely comprehend, the sense of oppression and the inability to actually talk through all this craziness in a truly blunt and honest way--that's what has knocked me for such a loop.
I expected us to collapse, I just never thought it would look and feel like this. It's a good reminder that the world is under no obligation to act the way you think it should.
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Date: 2021-09-12 04:35 am (UTC)But still, it is very strange to me that Psaki would give Trump any credit at all for the vaccine, even sarcastically. The truth is that Trump has always been pro-vaccine and was one of the first in line to get the jab. The Biden administration and the media's blaming (or crediting) of Trump for the anti-vax groundswell was always 100% fake news fabricated from whole cloth. Trump is not now, nor has he ever been, opposed to the vaccine. Psaki reminding people of the truth, even in jest, threatens to unravel the media's false narrative that Trump is behind the anti-vax movement.
(no subject)
Date: 2021-09-12 04:47 am (UTC)UK - Rate of Infection
Date: 2021-09-12 05:18 am (UTC)What are some the tentative inferences we can draw from this?
Source: Table 4, pp 14 https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1016465/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_36.pdf
Darren
Re: Bush
Date: 2021-09-12 06:56 am (UTC)Re: Immune tolerance hypothesis
Date: 2021-09-12 07:00 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2021-09-12 07:24 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2021-09-12 08:29 am (UTC)Re: A thought
Date: 2021-09-12 09:42 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2021-09-12 10:37 am (UTC)As for the mandate in general, it seems like a deliberate provocation to get someone to kick off a violent response the powers-that-be can publicly beat down to consolidate their power. It's gotta be hard knowing Orange Julius is kicking back in the provinces and the people who support him are all over the place, and they have to know their chances of retaining power aren't very good if we have a "normal" election in 2022. I was pretty upset at first, but now it kind of seems like a desperation move.
The end of America seems like the goal, unfortunately. Or maybe everyone just knows this is the end and they want to be sure their faction is in power when everything goes blooey.
Re: Afterthought to ultimatum
Date: 2021-09-12 10:46 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2021-09-12 10:49 am (UTC)Think of the popcorn and entertainment you can get out of it .
The Entity and what is might do to people.
Date: 2021-09-12 11:09 am (UTC)me: Hey How are you doing
Volunteer: Hey, I've planted these in the wrong place, I'm going to move them
me:.... ok
No problems, they got on and did it. I then walked over to the second person, who was very much out of earshot of the first and the conversation went as such.
me: Hey How are you doing
Volunteer 2: Hey, I've planted these in the wrong place, I'm going to move them
me:.......um....ok
So to be clear, the plants were placed by me exactly where they needed to be, but both volunteers had been compelled to plant them in the wrong place, and then when finished had suddenly realised that they were in the wrong place. This intrigued me and with JMG's latest theory on a demon I did a meditation. It was interrupted by my partner saying to me, what's wrong with people, It's like they are COMPELLED to do the wrong thing. And a lightbulb went off in my mind with her words. The last few months I have worked with multiple people who have been COMPELLED to do the wrong thing (as in something other than the thing they should have done when asked) and then realised and self corrected without any outside influence.
This got me thinking about the Vaccines and how here in the UK people have been compelled to take them with very little thought whatsoever.
Is there a Demon that confuses and compels people to not think about what they are doing until after the job is done? Just a thought.
Re: A significant crack in the vaccine mandate? Hopefully more to come
Date: 2021-09-12 11:45 am (UTC)It is looking like the UK will be getting needles out for 12 - 15 year olds from October https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/sep/11/covid-jabs-for-12--to-15-year-olds-set-to-start-in-weeks and there's still a strong pro-vaccine rhetoric. However, that is mostly looking towards preventing too much hospital pressure and serious illness rather than infections. There does seem to be a tacit admission now that none of the vaccines prevent transmission after a shortish amount of time, so that's finally a change - but interestingly it's not really being said, just responded to. There is likely to be a 'booster' 3rd injection offered to certain groups soon in light of diminishing protection. I think there is an understanding that those with lower functioning immune systems might not benefit as much from these vaccines, though we're still stuck in a 'more will sort it out' way of thinking.
For info, my English midlands town last night was as open, busy and unmasked as I remember it in 2019. We shall see what results!
Re: A significant crack in the vaccine mandate? Hopefully more to come
Date: 2021-09-12 11:57 am (UTC)Humans, eh!
Google trickery
Date: 2021-09-12 12:53 pm (UTC)The Atlantic article notably included very little actual support of it's claims of his awful wrongness, just flat statements of "He is sooooo wrong about X". I have no real opinion of Alex Berenson, having just heard of him, but given the quality and tenor of the work purporting to debunk him I already think he's probably worth giving a listen to.
It's really quite impressive how the obvious media pimping for elite opinion is having the opposite of the intended effect.
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Date: 2021-09-12 01:09 pm (UTC)Except that "people dying by the week" is a bit of an overly-broad statement.
What was happening is that a subgroup of vulnerable people were (have been) dying from this virus.
Under the circumstances, a reasonable response would have been to offer voluntary treatment with experimental vaccines to people at high risk. (You know, just like we do with all experimental drugs with no long-term safety data, when we offer them to people who lack better options.) We don't know the long-term effects of the vaccine, but for people at high risk of the disease, the cost-benefit analysis might tip towards choosing the vaccine.
Instead, what is being done is forcing an experimental medical intervention with no long-term safety data on everyone regardless of individual risk. We don't know the long-term effects of this vaccine, but we're going to force everyone to take it no matter how low their risk from the disease. And it's a non-sterilizing vaccine, so the herd immunity argument does not apply.
Do you understand the difference?
Simon Sheridan's Update on the Devouring Mother Archtype
Date: 2021-09-12 01:19 pm (UTC)http://simonsheridan.me/covid-19/corona-archetypal-update/
JMG, as ever, you have my heartfelt thanks for hosting this forum. Being able to read the comments, and offer my own, has been more helpful to me at this fraught and uncanny time than I can say.
Plaid Alarking Shrake
(no subject)
Date: 2021-09-12 01:44 pm (UTC)