Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 5
Sep. 7th, 2021 12:14 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
ecosophia
The semi-open posts I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a huge number of comments, so I'm opening another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.
2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.
3. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.
With that said, the floor is open for discussion.
Re: A significant crack in the vaccine mandate? Hopefully more to come
Date: 2021-09-12 11:45 am (UTC)It is looking like the UK will be getting needles out for 12 - 15 year olds from October https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/sep/11/covid-jabs-for-12--to-15-year-olds-set-to-start-in-weeks and there's still a strong pro-vaccine rhetoric. However, that is mostly looking towards preventing too much hospital pressure and serious illness rather than infections. There does seem to be a tacit admission now that none of the vaccines prevent transmission after a shortish amount of time, so that's finally a change - but interestingly it's not really being said, just responded to. There is likely to be a 'booster' 3rd injection offered to certain groups soon in light of diminishing protection. I think there is an understanding that those with lower functioning immune systems might not benefit as much from these vaccines, though we're still stuck in a 'more will sort it out' way of thinking.
For info, my English midlands town last night was as open, busy and unmasked as I remember it in 2019. We shall see what results!
Re: A significant crack in the vaccine mandate? Hopefully more to come
Date: 2021-09-12 11:57 am (UTC)Humans, eh!
Re: A significant crack in the vaccine mandate? Hopefully more to come
Date: 2021-09-12 07:02 pm (UTC)Shops seem to have quietly dropped any mask requirements - I tend to find that if the employees aren't wearing them, there's no reason for me to do so. If any other shoppers wearing a mask give me a funny look (or at least as best as I can tell), I give them a big, beaming, friendly (not smug) smile. My workplace still requires that we wear them when walking round the office, but not at our desks for some baffling reason, but I've again been playing the good sheep and not kicked up a fuss so as to keep my head below the parapet, as vaccines have only been mentioned in passing so far.
With Biden's announcement yesterday, I also get the feeling that Johnson is backing away from anything which could be seen to be following suit if things really kick off one way or another.
On a day-to-day basis, I am hearing of a lot of people dying. They tend to be in their mid 40s - 60s, and are dying from heart attacks, strokes, or sudden resurgences of cancer. Unprompted, people will also say to me "it wasn't corona, as they were vaccinated, but I don't if the vaccines could have caused it". Cracks are showing in the narrative, and the brick wall behind it can now be seen to be nothing more than chipboard.
I feel like mid-winter is when this will all really start to go south, much like it did last January. I've stopped riding my bicycle and minimised my travel generally for the moment to reduce my risks of having to go to hospital for any reason - I feel that even emergency care may not be there this winter.
From a town not too far from the Midlands.
Re: A significant crack in the vaccine mandate? Hopefully more to come
Date: 2021-09-13 04:19 pm (UTC)Population contraction here we come.
Re: A significant crack in the vaccine mandate? Hopefully more to come
Date: 2021-09-13 04:50 pm (UTC)Re: A significant crack in the vaccine mandate? Hopefully more to come
Date: 2021-09-12 08:36 pm (UTC)However, under the devolved powers, Scotland will be going ahead with vaccine passports (the vote passed a couple days ago in the Scottish Parliament) and Northern Ireland and Wales have not yet decided. However, it is indeed good news that England, with more than 80% of the population in the country will not be going ahead (although the vaccination of 12-15 year olds is definitely going ahead despite the JCVI recommendation against it).