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troubledThe semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a huge number of comments, so I'm opening another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 

3. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion. 

Re: PCR test explanation

Date: 2021-09-09 10:42 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
This. Exactly this. If I have malice or incompetence to choose from, based on general life experience, I choose incompetence manipulated by a small core of malice dang near every time.

Tangentially related (to incompetence), a deftly written essay on the third force, stupidity. And some really fun art that looks like it's straight out of Jung's Red Book.

https://harpers.org/archive/2021/09/the-third-force-stupidity-and-transcendence/

Now back to your regularly scheduled Covid program :)

Re: Immune tolerance hypothesis

Date: 2021-09-09 10:53 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Honestly, and speaking as an Idahoan, you want people to believe Governor Chicken Little? If he says the sun is shining, go outside and check!

The State House put themselves in recess instead of ending their session just so they have the legal ability to rein him in, if needed. He's that bad. He did his best to pretend Idaho is a dense blue state for the whole pandemic, which is blatantly absurd, and try to order policies accordingly. This generally gets him way out of what he can actually do and begging localities to comply with turning his wishes into ordinances.

The only people who like Gov. Chicken Little are his owners, I mean, doners. His only chance of winning his primary is if the field is overly split. Which it looks like they're going for . . . and he's causing the Republican party here to shed voters like crazy.

BoysMom

(no subject)

Date: 2021-09-09 10:56 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
In light of Joe Biden's new announcement, I wonder how many people will choose (as I am going to) to be homeless rather than take one of the shots...

(no subject)

Date: 2021-09-09 10:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] open_space
I've been looking for ways to cheer me up and following along the lines of not succumbing to fear I found this poem that I liked and thought of sharing it here:

Invictus
BY William Ernest Henley

Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.

In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.

Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds and shall find me unafraid.

It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate,
I am the captain of my soul.
Edited Date: 2021-09-10 12:21 am (UTC)

Circumventing the vaccine?

Date: 2021-09-09 11:01 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] team10tim
Does anyone know which adenovirus the J&J vaccine uses? And would it be possible to get infected with that virus before getting the shot? And would those adenovirus antibodies neutralize the vaccine before it got to you cells?

(no subject)

Date: 2021-09-09 11:03 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
You know, I never thought I would find myself hoping for Civil War 2.0, from which I know quite well my life might end as a result. (If I couldn't get medicine for my type 2 diabetes anymore as a result of disrupted supply-lines, that's all it would take.)

Yet here we are.

--Mr. Nobody

(no subject)

Date: 2021-09-09 11:10 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] brendhelm
I'm still wondering how they intend on actually enforcing this, even at the employer level. If you're already short-staffed, you may be in a position where the only people you have available to hire are unvaxxed, OSHA violation or not.

(no subject)

Date: 2021-09-09 11:16 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Malone makes a statement that he thinks what's going on is 'war profiteering'. Corporations are certainly profit driven, and have perpetrated many heinous things against humanity for a dollar in their time, no argument. War profiteering is a thing, and yet...

When I consider the profile of the people behind this vaccination drive, these are the same people that visit Davos, that spin the printing presses at the Fed. These are people for whom a few billion here, a few billion there, from drug sales, this is not a consequential amount to them really. Certainly not worth dedicating their extremely valuable time to. Just spin the presses a bit more, and siphon it off to Switzerland. Easy peasy. And yet they persist in spending time driving this vaccine program as hard as they possibly can. What is the motivation? I see 3 possibilities:

- 1) Genuine concern for others well being. Given this is not apparent in any other aspect of the behavior of the powerful, this option seems unlikely. Joe Blow the bench scientist? Probably worried for people. Dr. Smith, your concerned healthcare provider? Ok, maybe. The Davos set? Ha!

- 2) Money. This makes sense for your average Pharma VPs and stockholders, but these aren't the people jamming the agenda through. The powerful people moving this narrative ahead don't need the relatively paltry amount of profit made from vaccine sales, even if this pile of loot is more than most of us can even fathom. Small change to them. This option is also unlikely.

- 3) Some sort of biological agenda, for purposes unknown.

I haven't been able to derive a reasonable fourth option. And as Holmes says, "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

Can anyone else offer a fourth reasonable alternative explanation that I've missed?

(no subject)

Date: 2021-09-09 11:21 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
As I read the "edict", all the airlines are going to require all their pilots get quaxxed. They're all over 100 employees, right? Jab or job?

Combine that with the reports of brain fog and cognitive decline. Quaxxed pilots with heart problems. Quaxxed pilots getting landing clearances or takeoff clearances messed up. Did he say turn to 070 or 270? Was that climb to 8000 or 18000? Was that cleared to land on 36 left or 36 right? Do you feel lucky?

I would strongly strongly advise you not to travel on an airline once this edict goes into effect. We all may have taken our last airline flight for quite a while to come. Not that traveling on the ground will be that much safer (vaxxidents) but at least you have more agency in what happens.

I sense all sorts of unintended consequences coming up. This is just one of them.

Re: Recapitulating - Where do we stand?

Date: 2021-09-09 11:25 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
That would be my bet.

Re: herd immunity

Date: 2021-09-09 11:27 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The other letters have popped up elsewhere; Iota is a significant minority of sequences in unvaccinated people in Britain, for example. They don't get US press because they haven't been introduced and spread widely here...at least not yet.

(no subject)

Date: 2021-09-09 11:29 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] tamanous2020
So with Biden's vaccine non-mandate mandate for federal and private employees (in 100+ person businesses) coming our way, who wants to take bets that push back will increase on the local and state levels? I couldn't think of a stupider move then to crack down on 80 million individuals who are already on edge. Civil disobedience much? As we expected, the pressure will ramp up. Can't wait till we reach the Australia internment camp stage.

The positive I take from this is that the feds are having to get more and more heavy handed with poorer and poorer results.

(no subject)

Date: 2021-09-09 11:29 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I thought this must be some conspiracy site, but yikes, it's the New York Times. This is such a horrendous idea....

Re: Recent Article by David French

Date: 2021-09-09 11:29 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Agreed. To radically simplify into a binary, I think both sides are both very concerned about the other. All of the irrational behavior seems largely based on this inner dialogue: "why won't that side care about themselves? Aren't they paying attention? We don't want them to get hurt!"

But how should we factor in requirements for basic curiosity and open mindedness? I have no idea where the facts will sort themselves out in the end. With the obfuscation going on, we may never know the true facts. But this whole episode feels a lot like the WMD issue many years ago now. I was a young dumb kid at the time, but even I could read a handful of articles on the early internet and rub two neurons together and say "something doesn't add up. Maybe we should pause and reflect before we enter a couple forever wars". This feels so similar. While I recognize the good will and concern coming from the monolithic wall of the vaccine shaming crowd, I also recognize it's coming from an incurious place. Which is very bothersome and off-putting.

Re: Spouse getting stabbed

Date: 2021-09-09 11:31 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
No, you definitely cannot "catch" the vaccine - and if the vaccine could replicate and spread like the virus does, they wouldn't now be trying to get OSHA to shove it down everyone's throat by force; they'd just vaccinate the willing half or two-thirds of the population and let 'em go shed it on the rest.

(no subject)

Date: 2021-09-09 11:37 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I think the window for simply going down as the worst president in history has passed. I posted this on another forum this morning, after Afghanistan and the disaster of this vaccine campaign to date, he could back off and go down as merely the worst president ever, or he could double down and go own in history as something far, far worse. Sadly, I believe that's how this plays out.

(no subject)

Date: 2021-09-09 11:37 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
If the bloated internet we know today was created by demons in order to pursue a single goal, I wonder if now that it's been achieved they'd move on to other things; in which case given just how much needs to be constantly funneled to it, the internet could rather suddenly come crashing down to a more reasonable size. This could actually even be used to torture the people they trapped with the Covid hysteria: imagine how hard it would be to isolate yourself if large parts of the corporate internet went away....

Targeting Unvaxxed

Date: 2021-09-09 11:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] deng
My wife watched Biden today. She is feeling overwhelmed. We've lost a family of friends up the street. Her cousin who was her best friend. Another friend that was strongly antivax submitted a few weeks ago and is now distanced herself from us. She was in tears this evening telling me she was praying for something to happen to Biden. I talked with her about Not inviting or imploring negative forces into action or association with her. That these things can stick to her and harm her. I've done a good job strengthening myself through this. I need to give her more attention and support. She can be stubborn and she's tough. Unbelievable speech by Biden. We will not give in. Life isn't supposed to be easy. Peace, Love, and Strength of Will and Attention to all.

An Opportunity

Date: 2021-09-09 11:42 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] charm_of_making
I keep thinking that they've handed me the opportunity of a lifetime. It has always seemed so difficult to do anything significant in pushing back against the massive federal bureaucracy, in part due to our own seeming insignificance and lack of effective organization. And yet here I must only refuse to get the shot, and to persevere long enough for the consequences of vaccine to become obvious.

I'm fairly confident that a sizable number of other citizens will do the same, which in turn will cause a massive shortage of critical staff in a whole host of organizations which the bureaucracy depends on for survival. It's an own-goal of incredible stupidity. One could hardly dream of having such an effect otherwise, and it comes with very low relative risk or cost. We're all going to get hurt in what is coming any, and complying with the vaccination pressure won't make it any easier in the long run. Refusing simply changes the form and the timing of that cost somewhat.

The "Joe Biden" administration has nowhere near the support needed to pull off what they're attempting, and given his handlers are likely bright people they must know that. Therefore these maneuvers are a sign of desperation, and that they are under serious time pressure. I'm more than willing to try and wait them out.

Twilight

(no subject)

Date: 2021-09-10 12:06 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] temporaryreality
This is chilling wording: “reduce the number of unvaccinated Americans.”

I don't want to be reduced, thank you very much!

Biden (& co.)

Date: 2021-09-10 12:11 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] escorcher
Tough guy.
Taking control.
Nothing can go wrong.
!
(This is the trouble when a virus refuses to be reasoned with.)

(no subject)

Date: 2021-09-10 12:12 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Today we drove by a house with a huge F[unDruidly word] BIDEN sign on the porch.

Methinks the Deplorables will not submit quietly.

—Lady Cutekitten

(no subject)

Date: 2021-09-10 12:15 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I’ve been trying to find a transcript of the speech - is one up yet that you (or anyone else) knows of?
From: (Anonymous)
Hopefully you will not need to go to the hospital for any reason!

Stay healthy!

(no subject)

Date: 2021-09-10 12:40 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lp9
Just crossed my mind tonight that the lockdowns decimated tons of small businesses, now the government turns around and enforces mandates on the large businesses that remain. Funny how that works.

The mandates clearly seem to be providing the cover many institutions desire to enforce their own mandates. Los Angeles School District just announced vaccination will be required for all students 12 and above who want to attend in-person class. I imagine we will hear of many more such decisions in the coming days.

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