JMG on WE Earth Radio podcast

[ecosophia]

Another podcast -- and yes, this one's on The King in Orange, political magic, and the cultivation of the current virus panic as an attempt to evade the real challenges of our future. Host Michael Stone and I had a very lively hour of conversation on those subjects.  Interested? Check it out here. 

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[brenainn]

Cool, I'll check it out later today. On a tangential note, I also received my copy of "The Ecotechnic Future" earlier this week. I'm nearly finished with it. At this point, I can't help but feel like half or more of my undergrad classes were wasted on the cult of progress narrative.

[ecosophia]

I'm glad to hear you got it! As for the cult of progress, yep -- it's the established religion of our time, and the universities in particular are utterly fundamentalist about it.

[brenainn]

I'm nearly finished with listening to this interview. One thing that occurred to me as you discussed the magical resistance to Trump is that these folks were like the cartoon villains who, once they've captured the hero, talk excessively about their plans. Then the hero escapes their grasp and thwarts their plan. Repeat in next week's episode.

Your point about the suspension of church services was quite thought-provoking. I hadn't considered that angle before but it makes a great deal of sense. Since you also referenced the Star Trek future the managerial classes dream of, it also reminded me of something that happened a few years ago. There was a mass shooting at a church service and one of the actors from Star Trek: The Next Generation tweeted, in response to people offering prayers for the victims and their families, some snotty, elitist remark about the futility of prayer because the victims were in a church. I just hadn't realized how much these folks really hate the general public but, knowing that now, the cult of progress and its new COVID apocalypse makes a great deal of sense.

[lincoln_lynx]

I haven't listened to the podcast so am not sure what the specifics of the point made were but Leftist intellectuals are especially hateful towards humanity. Hang around the watering holes of these types a decade ago and you wouldn't need to wait long for a discussion about overpopulation, climate, and how 80% need to die (for the good of the planet obviously). Wait a while longer and they start fawning over antinatalism.

Those vaccines are perfectly fine though I'm sure.

[brenainn]

Have you ever listened to any of the videos made by Dave Cullen? He's an Irishman who used to be on YouTube (got banned for his work on COVID) but can still be found on places like Bitchute and Odysee as "Computing Forever." He's got a lot of great videos, well researched, on the Branch Covidian religion and the goal of population reduction. Frightening stuff.

[lincoln_lynx]

Yeah, I've come across Dave before. Back then I wasn't impressed.

He's on YT again, one of his videos was recommended last week.

Good work

[(Anonymous)]

Nice conversation. 2016 seems so long ago now, and some wacky stuff has gone on since... Yet it seems to me that whatever we may think of Mr Trump, 2020/21 and their events are somehow a reaction to the uncorking of that bottle, an attempt to stuff that Orange-haired jinn back into its bottle...

I hope there will be more King in Orange interviews. I have such a backlog of esoteric reading to clear, but one of these days I'll have to read The King in Orange.

Is there a traditionalist writer you consider especially informative and clear to read? I've been watching YouTube videos about Guenon, Schuon, etc. Trying to learn more...

Thanks JMG,
Casey

Re: Good work

[ecosophia]

I'll keep on talking about The King in Orange as long as there are podcasters who want to have that conversation! As for Traditionalists, I'm not a fan -- quite the contrary -- and none of them are easy reads, but Guenon's probably the most interesting.

Re: Good work

[ecosophia]

That strikes me as a good summary. The other point I'd make is that what both Guenon and Evola -- I haven't read Nasr in any detail -- are presenting as "the one and only primordial tradition™" is a hodgepodge of notions cherrypicked from the popular alternative thought of their time, i.e., no different in essence from the Blavatskian Theosophy both of them despised. Evola is especially blatant here -- if you know your way around early 20th century European avant-garde culture you can go bobbing for apples in Revolt Against the Modern World or any of Evola's other major works and bring up plenty of intact chunks of Nietzsche, Weininger, Bachofen, et al.

Re: Good work

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks much.

I've tried reading Evola. At some point I just couldn't take him any more. I seem to recall that I found his idea of an 'elite' class worthy of bearing the responsibility of rulership over the rest of us to be simply laughable. Where are these true Elites? Trying to cope with the effects of inbreeding, perhaps? Trying to figure out what to do with all the recyclable' bottles their own programmed economies have produced?

I'd be interested to know what Guenon thought about Christian symbolism. I know he's done some writing regarding that... I might start there... Eventually.

Thanks very much to the both of you for your insights.

Casey.

Re: Good work

[(Anonymous)]

To my mind, this is a good point, but one that benefits from qualification. Guenon and Evola were both raised in predominately catholic societies, and I believe that their view of "Tradition" is deeply influenced by that. The term of course, has a somewhat more multifaceted meaning in that context; "the one and only primordial tradition" is definitely the dominant theme, but it also has connotations of continuity, and references the underlying patterns that hold everything together. I find this use of the term tradition more clumsy than rich, but it does mean that some phenomena being discussed are valued more for their relationships than as examples. I don't see it as a hodgepodge, but rather as a catalogue of how then-current avant-garde culture aligns with older streams of thought and modes of practice. This of course, relies on a fair sensitivity to some extremely foreign use of the word tradition.

Nasr is a Muslim who understands Islam as cooperating (Note that he seem to shy away from the more conventional translation, "submission") with the highest and all encompassing divine, or barring that, whatever sphere a particular person has access to. His, along with Ananda Coomaraswamy's, inclusion in the traditionalist school make it hard for me to take it seriously as a proper philosophical position. There is too much difference between them. The unifying elements seem to be a sense of nostalgia for the past and the use of the word tradition. Ananda's use of the term seems deeply flawed, as he appears to be using it as a gloss for Dharma; a much more precise term with both deeper and different connotations.

[(Anonymous)]

I had to use proxy to access this episode. Here's an alternative link for people who can't access this website (I believe it's mostly post-Soviet countries) - https://share.transistor.fm/s/9274e0e5
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