Magic Monday

[ecosophia]

It's getting on for midnight, so we can proceed with a new Magic Monday. Ask me anything about occultism and I'll do my best to answer it. Any question received by midnight Monday Eastern time will get an answer. (Any question received after then will not get an answer, and will likely just be deleted.) If you're in a hurry, or suspect you may be the 143,916th person to ask a question, please check out the very rough version 1.0 of The Magic Monday FAQ here.

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Comments

Thoughts on working off other's karma

[ganeshling]

Hi JMG,

One thread of questions that threaded its way through the Magic Mondays for a while was around working off the karma of others. I don't remember the exact wording - it was slightly different every time - but it sounded to me as taking more karmic load onto oneself than what's due so that to ease the burden for everyone.

On one level it sounds good and a part of me admires people who do that. Another part of me thinks that this might be the vice opposite but equivalent to gaining money and wealth that one hasn't earned. If our physical life on Earth can be seen as a learning experience, wouldn't working off someone else's karma do that person or group of people a disservice?

Isn't there some raspberry jam to be stuck to the fingers this way?

Re: Thoughts on working off other's karma

[ecosophia]

You can't really take on anyone else's karma; deities can do that, humans can't. (Old-fashioned ccult authors like to say that when Jesus said "your sins are forgiven you," what he was doing was literally taking the person's karma on himself.) What you can do is take on a larger than usual share of the collective karma that our species has piled up, thus clearing the air for everyone. As far as I know, there's no problem with that -- well, except that the person who does this can expect to have dumpsters of misery unloaded on them.

Re: Thoughts on working off other's karma

[open_space]

Does that imply that Jesus became a deity while incarnate or is it just a way of speaking?

I thought of this while contemplating the life of Jesus recently and what you've said of mystics. It seems to me that somehow he willingly went for crucifixion, he seems to have known before it happened, and thus by submitting himself to something horrible he took in a bunch of collective karma and forgive a large amount of sin.

Re: Thoughts on working off other's karma

[ecosophia]

Depends on which version of occult Christian theology you favor! Dion Fortune and George Winslow Plummer, the two Christian occultists I've studied most closely, both held that Jesus was distinct from, but functioned as a vehicle for, the Christ, a divine principle which descended on him at the baptism in the Jordan and departed from him when he "gave up the ghost" during the Crucifixion. I think pretty much everyone in that scene agrees that he knew that crucifixion was on the schedule, and accepted it willingly.