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The View Over AtlantisIt's getting on for midnight as I type this, so here we go with a new Magic Monday. This week's classic of Western occultism is The View Over Atlantis by John Michell. This book is the reason you've heard of ley lines and sacred geometry. One of the classics of the paperback occult boom of the late 1960s, this weird, wild book is arguably the best thing in the grand old British tradition of visionary landscape mysticism since the days of William Blake. Treat it as a source of historical fact and you'll end up wandering in circles in the mist; treat it as a vision of magical possibility, very richly laden with occult philosophy, and it leads to fascinating places. 

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For JMG and the commentariat, I created a Magic Monday Bingo based on a selection of our gracious host’s most common and entertaining replies. If I may post the link: https://i.imgur.com/w6V1ow8.png

Feel free to play along every week!

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Hello JMG,

1. As a professional writer, do you find the state of the industry depressing? Hundreds of thousands of people aspire to be writers, many of them quite talented, leading to a glut of books on the market, most of which will be immediately forgotten. Even those that make it struggle to capture the interest of an audience and maintain it over the long term, and the pace of work can be unrelenting. Overall, writing seems to be a very precarious and cutthroat profession, similar to the entertainment or music industries. I imagine that you went through a long period in the beginning without a light at the end of the tunnel – how did you manage?

2. Do you have any expectations of leaving behind a legacy with your writing career? Does it make any difference to you whether your books will be read in the far future or end up as curiosities in second-hand book stores?

3. Do you maintain any system for keeping track of all the books that you’ve read, and those that you intend to read?

4. What is your process for deciding to buy a physical copy of a book as opposed to loaning it from the library?

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Would it be okay for a non-Christian to use the Trinity in the opening of the Christ SoP?

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Date: 2020-05-11 04:11 am (UTC)
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1) A couple of MMs ago, you mentioned sharing with us an alternative attribution scheme for the Minor Arcana to the Sephiroth on the Tree of Life that you found more useful for divination. Is that still on the agenda?

2) A while ago on the other blog, you said that investments in the form of stocks, bonds, and other financial instruments are becoming worthless because the era of growth is over. With the recent drops in the stock market this topic has been on my mind lately. Do you still stand by that assessment? From a US-centric context, I take it that you don't have a 401k, Roth IRA, or similar accounts? And following along the same line, what kind of retirement should a twenty-something today be planning for?

3) In the Encyclopedia of Natural Magic, p.21, when talking about the astrological signs, you say that in Cancer, Mars is in its triplicity - is this a typo? I thought Mars is particularly weak in Cancer.

4) The phases of the Moon are used extensively in occultism and astrology. Has anyone tried to use the phases of Venus for anything? Obviously, this wasn't possible for most of history prior to the invention of the telescope, but I'm curious if, to your knowledge, any work has been done on it since the 17th century.

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Date: 2020-05-11 04:13 am (UTC)
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Last week someone asked about a Valentinian Gnostic Sphere of Protection, a interesting idea to say the least, and it got me thinking about if or could there be a Tree for Gnosticism, or rather for the different flavors of Gnosticism.

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Date: 2020-05-11 04:17 am (UTC)
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Good evening JMG,

1. Can positive hedonism be compatible with occultism? Can a rational pleasure-seeker practice magic while avoiding the Ahrimanic pattern of evil? Can we imagine Keith Richards the archmage?

2. What, if any, are the karmic consequences of killing insects? Am I condemned to a bad reincarnation if I squash some spiders every once in a while, or put up some ant baits? I know that certain Buddhist sects advocate total pacifism, but I imagine most occultists don't go that far?

3. What are the karmic consequences of suicide due to depression? I know that this topic is very complex and distressing, but are there any generalities that can be drawn, since it is unfortunately a rather common occurrence in industrialized societies? What are the effects on the afterlife?

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Date: 2020-05-11 04:24 am (UTC)
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Good evening Mr. Greer -

First, I want to thank you for taking the time to do this every Monday. Although I only rarely ask any questions, I read these threads almost every week and always walk away with something new to think about. After a years-long staring contest with the Watcher, however, I have finally resolved to take up serious study, rather than watching from the outside. I have begun working through the first volume of the Dolmen Arch, and am now about a week in. I am already intrigued and eager for more, although I’m making it a point to be patient and work through the material slowly and deliberately. I have a couple questions, though:

1) You have always been adamant that divination is an integral part of occult practice, and you have also noted previously that the Dolmen Arch system meshes with any system of divination the student cares to use. I don’t have any existing divinatory practice, and I have chosen to learn geomancy along with the material in the DA system – the big reason being your own characterization of geomancy as a straightforward-if-not-blunt oracle. Is there any reason that I should be wary of learning a divination system from scratch along with the DA system? You have mentioned before that it’s imperative to follow magical instruction to the letter and to not “mix and match” when learning a new system, so any advice you can give about whether this is prudent is appreciated.

2) Also with respect to divination, I have been casting my daily chart shortly after completing the EC+CL ritual and the first meditative exercise each day. I settled on a standard question: “what should I learn from today’s magical practice?” I have cast shield charts, and the past two days have given me the same outcome: LW Albus, RW Albus, J Populus. Today’s reading was even more striking: the four mothers were identical to the four daughters – Acquisitio, Fortuna Minor, Albus, Carcer, in that order. I feel that this is a strongly auspicious message – Albus as favorable for quiet progress, intelligence, and beginnings, Populus as favorable for quiet reflection. I also get the impression that the presence of Albus in both the past and the future (RW and LW) means that I have slowly, deliberately, and quietly grown and progressed in my other studies, and more growth awaits in the occult study I am taking up now. But as to my question as such - “what should I learn?” - I have trouble turning this into a lesson that I can act upon except “keep at it.” Am I missing anything serious here? Am I doing this right? I am asking this as an absolute novice, unaware if I’m on the right track at all.

Thanks again for all you do!

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Hello JMG,

what is your view on inner plane communications/contacts?
Are those useful and should be cultivated?

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What's your opinion of the different Gnostic sects?

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JMG, a while back the topic of tulpas came up. The people quoted in the article seemed to me to be cultivating multiple personalities rather than tulpas, saying they could always pull the tulpa back into their own personalities. Alexandra David-Neel and Dion Fortune both said their tulpas got to the point where they had independent physical existence. What exactly IS a tulpa?

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I have a question about adapting Merlin's Wheel into the magic of The Druid Magic Handbook: There is, as far as I know, no direct equivalent to the Pentagram ritual of invoking a single element (Bardic and Druid Grade). With what I should replace it, if anything? I assume, otherwise, the rituals can be used, while substituting the Grove Opening and Closing and the Sphere of Protection for the banishing ritual of the Pentagram and the Golden Dawn temple opening and closing?

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Date: 2020-05-11 06:48 am (UTC)
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If one wanted to, this could probably be sorted into the categories "over-doing" or "over-thinking" it - why not just pick up a book and read it and then the next? Still, since I have not yet had the pleasure to consult geomancy on book issues, I welcomed the opportunity to practice and tried to find out which out of four books would be the most sensible to start with. So I did a reading for each asking the question "Would starting with book X benefit me most?" - 5th house question, obviously.

For two books the chart did not perfect. For two it did and I wonder which reading "scores higher", so to say.

Book 1: 1-amissio, 2-rubeus, 3-puer, 4-populus, 5-amissio, 6-conjunctio, 7-laetitia, 8-albus, 9-cauda draconis, 10-puer, 11-fortuna minor, 12-amissio, rw-fortuna major, lw-conjunctio, rw-acquisitio
Book 2: 1-fortuna minor, 2-fortuna major, 3-laetitia, 4-fortuna minor, 5-puella, 6-carcer, 7-rubeus, 8-rubeus, 9-via, 10-rubeus, 11-albus, 12-populus, rw-puella, lw-albus, j-carcer

Reading one perfects by occupation and conjunction, but does this with amissio, which one could interpret negatively as a "yes, but...". Still, considering the phrasing of the question I wonder whether this has to be read as a "yes, because...". After all, amissio stand for loosing something and passes to the house of limitations. The main reason I started this little reading project for is exploring the reasons for fear and limitations and possibly overcoming it, so that would make sense. Additionally the court is quite positive, which maybe does not count too much in house readings, but still... Additionally, the cardines are not too bad for this one, I'd say.

Reading two perfects by conjunction "only" and suggest to me, that with this book I could score a "quick win", but possibly would not get too much out of it. The court is not very positive and with carcer being the judge underscores the theme of not getting too much out of it. The cardines are not very positive, either. However, the figures in 1 and 5 are comparably positive ones compared to amissio for book 1.

So basically I wonder which interpretation of the first reading makes more sense since that directly ranks reading two higher or lower:

1) "Book 1 is exactly where you have to go to. You want to find out something to reduce limitations and fear, there you will find what you're looking for" or
2) "Book 1 is very important but at that moment a loss/waste of time"

A second question on reading two: Rubeus shows up fairly often in the chart but without a direct connection to the relevant figures. In your experience, can you treat the figures just as building blocks that have to be there so that the rest of the chart can look as it has to, or has such a constellation any significance beyond this?

After all I'm probably going to read both books and find out - but still, since this is a little geomancy exercise, I'd be really interested in your opinion on how to compare those two readings.

Thanks & greetings,
Nachtgurke

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Besides discursive meditation, what helps the mind the most to develop a habit of thinking up plans and following them instead of relying on the passions or whims of thw moment?

I feel like I am rational but am heavily resistant to organizing my life in a conscious way.

I for some reason find more attractive meaning in someone else's idea or plan than my own, even if they end up being the same plan or idea!

How can I empower and make attractive the plans my own mind creates for myself?

Traps in old occult texts

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A few times, you've said that old occult texts contained traps to weed out particularly evil or stupid individuals who tried to use them.

Do you, or maybe other readers like Robert Mathiesen, have any references for textbooks, secondary sources, that mention this idea? The more academically respectable the better.

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I've read materialist descriptions of trepanation that explain it as releasing pressure. Breaking the hermetic seal of the skull lets more blood into the brain, allowing it to function better. What are the spiritual effects of drilling a hole in your head?

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Date: 2020-05-11 08:14 am (UTC)
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Dear JMG,

Hope all is well with you and yours.

For a long time now I've been incredibly interested in the court fool and more recently Harlequins and the link with my particular choice of martial arts.

My schools head is in his late 80s and is the mirror opposite of what is considered 'normal' in Japan for marital arts. He trains in sweatpants, has pink hair, has tea break where he'll paint anything for anyone, and we are all able to attend his training sessions regardless of rank. Everything about training is non-standard to Japanese and Western eyes. Rank is essentially worthless, and frequently used a rope for folks to hang themselves.... or an quiet reminder your doing ok,.... or both?!? He has an exquisite way of giving everything to everyone; you want to be the big Daishihan? no problem- rank, medals etc are yours!, you want to sit in the corner and train? He'll pop over and say exactly the right thing that will invariable cause an 'aha!! moment (although not always at that point in time, sometimes later on a packed train were you start laughing to yourself, not helping the strange foreigner stereotype :P)

Training has this carnival feel to it, but when you really start to think about it- and frequently what fits in the spaces not show- it's terrifying (a feeling you get when he demos a technique on you, not what is done -which is bad enough- but what could be done, and how the folly fades to something quite leathal) all done with a huge smile and a laugh. There are also times were he purposefully teaches complete nonsense, or has extended tea-breaks if the class makeup has undesirables, or one of the alphabet soup US gov representatives based in Tokyo has shown up with their followers.

Can you think of a western school of thought, or thinker that follow this line of teaching? Folly mixed with the deadly serious? Blatantly poking fun at the overtly stiff and serious nature of something(or more perhaps how it can manifest if not done in a balanced way), while simultaneously dedicating yourself wholeheartedly to the study of it?

I keep coming back to the fool/jester and more specifically harlequins as a point of reference. Do you have any reading references about their training, or how they were able to move so seamlessly though societal strata, offer deep insight into it, mock it, and not loose their heads? Are they specifically associated with a specific mystery school? One of the themes that is frequently discussed in class is 虚実 (kyojitsu), or the interplay of truth and falsehood, which again links me back to the fool or harlequin. Bright gaudy colors, while hidden behind a mask; gymnastics and tomfoolery, which I'm sure could be quite quickly made lethal as the movements are interrelated; silly rhymes with underlying depth. Any insights appricated.

p.s while chatting to my wife trying to think of a way to write this, I made her think of this book: The Music of the Spheres: Music, Science and the Natural Order of the Universe. New York: Springer Verlag, 1995. Seems right up your street! Interesting too, how so many things can be interrelated: martial arts, mystery schools, and music! cheers :)

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1. I'm curious about what your thoughts are on occultism and physical culture. I've noticed a distinct lack of a systematic method of physical cultivation in western esotericism. There's a certain neopagan group that shall remain nameless that seems to combine magick with weight lifting and mixed martial arts quite successfully however I do not wish to be affiliated with them. Eastern mysticism has yoga/martial arts, should there be a western equivalent?

2. Would you be willing to share your general thoughts on the differences between eastern/western systems of mysticism?

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There's a type of mirror scrying that I've only seen from one source, and I can't remember what it was.

The method involved sitting in an armchair in a small, dimly-lit room. There'd be a mirror on the wall in front of you, but above your head height. So you wouldn't see yourself, only a reflection of black velvet curtains on the wall behind you. Combined with the low light, it created the effect of looking into infinite depth - a true black mirror.

I got the impression it was mainly developed for people who found seeing their own face in the mirror too distracting. There was also a funny story of someone finishing their business in the room, the next person going in, and the spirit the first one was dealing with was still there. They ended up talking to that spirit for a while before getting on with what they were there to do. :)

How common was this type of room and which groups used them?

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Dear JMG,

1. You wrote last week in two places that GD style magic is rough on the astral plane, which shows up as emotional imbalance. Someone also wrote last week about a kundalini equivalent in Gareth Knight's system also can cause the same effect - in DMH style magic, does this apply as well? As I continue along with the DMH after awakening the two currents, I am noticing more emotional imbalance at times. I'll have periods of well-being and clarity, then for a couple of days I will be emotionally 'immature', prone to petulance, moodiness, and irritation. If this is the case, why would this be, and is there anything I can do about it?

2. While meditating on the stations of the year in the DMH, can I do color breathing for the colors of each station, even though there are new colors compared to what was introduced during the section on color breathing? For example, brown for Imbolc?

Thank you!

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The Pythagorean aversion to beans has been on my mind the last few days. There have been a variety of theories put forth but I was wondering what your take on their proscription is. One of the accounts of his death says that he refused to escape to safety through a field of beans and instead faced a murderous crowd.

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How certain can you be about a person's level of skill with magic? To what extent can it be measured objectively? If it's more subjective, what kind of things do you look for?

Non-Material Ethics

Date: 2020-05-11 11:02 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Last week you mentioned that even choices in lucid dreams have ethical consequences. Could you elaborate on that? Mainstream society's ethics are much more focused on actions and consequences on the material plane, so things like daydreams or video games tend to get something of a free pass.

Also, does it make a difference how, say, a video game frames our choices? In other words, if I create a version of Civilization where instead of letting players drop nuclear weapons on cities, they can play modern atonal musical loudly and scare off half the population, does that change the ethical implications even if the end result in the game is the same?

Thanks!

- Carnelian Exogenous Sheep

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1) What is the proper way to thank your guardian spirit? (is that term interchangeable with guardian angel?) I've had the sense of being very well taken care of lately. Is prayer the best way, or are there other things that would be ideal?

2) Any suggestions for getting over the hump with geomancy? Even when just interpreting the judge and witnesses, I feel like I often don't know what to make of it, and it's hard afterward to make sense of how the day unfolded. My guess is you'll answer that the best way is just to cast and interpret lots of charts, but I'm open to hearing more! ;-)

3) When casting my druid wands one of them sometimes lands in an ambiguous way, like narrow side up, rather than either of the sides with the dots. What would you do in that situation? Recast just that one? Or recast all four of them? And likewise when one or more falls off the surface you're using to cast them on - do you read it as is when you pick it up off the floor, recast just that wand, or recast the whole lot?

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Date: 2020-05-11 11:21 am (UTC)
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I asked earlier about the stations of the year, another question arose from this morning's meditations, where I have been trying to understand why Lughnasadh corresponds to Air. There are a number of places in the DMH where certain things have correspondences which seem to differ in places - for example, Air corresponds to springtime and yellow, so why does Lughnasadh, which also corresponds to Air, correspond to a period in late summer and green?

I am reminded of your note that these are 'tools, not truths', so the only thing I can come up with is that correspondences work like how the same musical note means something different within different musical scales - their context changes depending on their relationships with other correspondences. Is that right, or am I missing something important?

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Date: 2020-05-11 11:28 am (UTC)
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Hi JMG! If you were doing a working that required you to perform the same action a number of times at, for example, the same time each week, and you were sick and in pain one of those times, would you still perform the action if it's at all physically possible or would the lack of concentration and the negative thoughts and feelings you'd have due to the illness do more harm than good? And if it's the second, would you extend the duration of the working by a week or just "leave out" one of the dates? Thank you for sharing your wisdom!

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