Magic Monday
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Beware the 18th of March?
Date: 2020-03-09 03:59 am (UTC)An earthquake? The end of the petro dollar? Or (hopefully so) people refusing to obey the pesky Daylight Time changes? Anything? Nothing particular, just BAU?
I went scrounging on the ‘net and found dern-all about it. Altho’ one website said the last time there was a Saturn-Pluto conjunction in Capricorn was two months after 95 Theses were nailed to a door in Wittenberg. Are the heavens tolling a slow, solemn bell over our heads?
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Date: 2020-03-09 04:07 am (UTC)In the Irish pagan tradition, it's standard to invoke the elements of Land, Sky, and Sea instead of the familiar Water, Earth, Fire, and Air. Wondering if you know of a ritual--similar in focus to the Sphere of Protection--that could be adapted to make use of that three-element structure?
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Date: 2020-03-09 04:09 am (UTC)Re: Rings of Existence
Date: 2020-03-09 04:20 am (UTC)"When Nature underneath a heap
Of jarring atoms lay,
And could not heave her head,
The tuneful voice was heard from high,
Arise ye more than dead."
Combine that with with the Platonic idea of the soul rising toward the gods through many lives -- see the Myth of Er in The Republic -- and with the classical testimonies of the ancient Druids' belief in reincarnation, and you've got a pretty fair equivalent of Iolo's vision. Did he have other sources? Quite possibly, but nobody knows at this point.
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Date: 2020-03-09 04:09 am (UTC)I recently got the book by peladan called “how to be a mage” and I’m intrigued by his suggestion that since each person is under the rule of a planetary energy then that planetary energy determines the process and form of success for that person, particularly in relation to spiritual attainment.
Does any other occultist talk about this?
J.L.Mc12
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Date: 2020-03-09 04:18 am (UTC)Also, can anyone vouch for the English translation of the Rosicrucian Trilogy by Joscelyn Godwin et al? The 'about the authors' section doesn't mention any of them actually being part of an Rosicrucian order, but Rosicrucians don't seem to worry too much about affiliation, so I don't know if the lack of affiliation with an order is actually a problem.
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Date: 2020-03-09 04:24 am (UTC)If you can find a copy, by the way, The D.O.M.A. Manuscript edited by Manly P. Hall is a very good addition to a Rosicrucian library.
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Date: 2020-03-09 04:40 am (UTC)You mentioned "initiation into the Golden Dawn Current" above. What benefit is there to initiation? And, once initiated into Golden Dawn (or any other occult discipline), if one decides to look into something else, is it necessary to de-initiate, or would initiation into one discipline interfere with future efforts in another?
My thanks to you and all commenters!
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Date: 2020-03-09 04:46 am (UTC)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZtQMmZi72I&t=5s
It's another case of me being a visual learner and thinking others might benefit from seeing it presented bluntly and plainly. Had there been anything out there that I could find that was similar to the no-frills presentation of this video, I would not have made it. Though I enjoy watching videos, I'm not altogether keen on creating them. Hope this helps someone.
Also, I posted another one of my Orphic hymns with free PDF sheet music in the description:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmde1fh5vho
At Bandcamp:
https://queeniemusic.bandcamp.com/track/orphic-hymn-to-jupiter
Re: Hoodoo Bath Video & New Orphic Hymn
Date: 2020-03-09 10:27 am (UTC)Related to both parts of your post, have you used Khernips in preparation for worship? It has a very similar effect to the hoodoo bath in my experience.
Gawain
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Date: 2020-03-09 04:52 am (UTC)Re: Prayers
Date: 2020-03-09 06:25 am (UTC)I will be happy to return the favor to you whenever you like.
Maxine
PS Your prayers must be working as all is very quiet here with no one waking me or bumping around in the night.
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Date: 2020-03-09 05:06 am (UTC)So I did a shield chart, a simple yes/no question, "Will ___ share the secret if I tell them?" The Judge was Carcer, a nice clear no after all Carcer is not only unfavorable but a figure of isolation. But I got to thinking, since Carcer is favorable in matters of security, does that mean Carcer should be taken as a yes instead?
Another, unrelated divination perplexed me, after spending a hour on it I had what I thought was a clever idea, a single figure reading asking if my interpretation was correct. Conjunctio was the answer and I immediately thought the answer was "no" as I remembered it was unfavorable in matters where clarification is needed and I was asking for clarification right? But I'm not sure...
Keeping with the trend, I was thinking of starting the Sphere of Protection, the version with the names of Jesus,but I'm having difficulty coming up with the appropriate imagery as I'm not exactly well read when it comes to the Bible. (But am nonetheless sure that's the version I should do.) Some are easy enough, others, which are more abstract, are leaving me baffled. I'm wondering what you would suggest?
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Date: 2020-03-09 05:09 am (UTC)2) It really isn't that complex. If you get a favorable figure, the answer is yes; if an unfavorable figure, the answer is no. The temptation to overthink things is one of the obstacles to effective divination.
3) Don't worry about the imagery for now. Simply use the names as given, and while you're at it, put the necessary time into Bible study so you can choose imagery that works for you!
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From:SOP versions
Date: 2020-03-09 06:42 am (UTC)I've begun studying the early chapters of the DMH whilst continuing my practice of the blog-version SOP. I'm thinking of following the DMH lessons in full. I noted your comment last week that the Elemental Cross is more suited to the DMH and Dolmen Arch than the other opening, so might I ask:
1. is there anything else in the blog version SOP that ought be changed for me to follow the DMH, or is it just the opening?
2. If possible I'd also be interested to know why the Elemental Cross is more suitable?
3. Finally, I may try the more complex Closing at some point too. For both of these SOP changes I suppose I can just swap them in and carry on as normal (I would do so one at a time)?
Kind regards.
Morfran.
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Date: 2020-03-09 04:50 pm (UTC)2) Partly because you're tapping into the existing egregor, partly because the DMH system is very strongly focused on elemental work and so having that fourfold pattern right there at the beginning is helpful.
3) Yes, exactly.
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Date: 2020-03-09 07:51 am (UTC)Do you know why Hermetic Brotherhood of Luxor strictly rejected the idea of reincarnation? Is it because of their feud with Theosophical Society, or some other reason?
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Date: 2020-03-09 08:00 am (UTC)So...I think I may have had a TSW moment last week-or I may just be crazy. I'll let you decide since you know more about this stuff than me.
As I think I've mentioned on the other board, I work in a warehouse as a stockman, and when I get a new batch of clothes to stock, I have to scan them all in with a scanning gun, which then tells me where in the warehouse they go. Normally, upon scanning an item, the gun displays a "processing" message, then goes back to a blank screen so you can scan the next item. Last week though, the guns started glitching-on random items, usually every 3rd or 4th item, the gun, after processing the scan, would display an error message, then back out of its scanning function entirely (leaving me to spend several seconds going through three different menus to get back in, which was annoying). I asked my supervisor and he said it was just a network bug that he couldn't do anything about, so I decided to try something else.
From what I've read about magic, I understand that one of the major components of it is visualization, which I understand to mean picturing an outcome that you want in your head, then focusing on it with as much concentration as possible. So, upon getting my next batch of items, I decided that, every time I scanned an item, I'd look at the scanning gun and imagine it processing the scan correctly and returning to the blank screen. I concentrated as hard as I possibly could on that image of the gun processing the scan correctly, and tried as hard as I could to make myself certain this was what was going to happen.
The batch I tried this on, the gun-which had been glitching 5-10 times on batches that size-only glitched twice. Seeing it scan item after item correctly, which it had previously refused to do that night, was almost surreal.
Is this the sort of thing one can achieve by magic, or am I being delusional? I've done banishing rituals before, but this is the first time I've seen something had such an effect on the material world. I'll admit, for the next few days afterwards, my inner scientific materialist kept screaming that there's no such thing as mind powers and that letting myself think otherwise was a one-way ticket to insanity. But what do you think?
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From:Musings
Date: 2020-03-09 08:24 am (UTC)First, thanks for the astrology advice a few Mondays ago for electing a date on which to leave my job. In the event, I felt way too green to follow them, so I engaged Chris Warnock, and he has provided me with a favourable date in about two weeks time.
Anyway, the theme is: ways of playing around with the seven cantrevs in Dolmen Arch.
One way I found was to treat each "set" (EW, NS, AboveBelow) as a ray, crossing them to place the seventh at the centre. So far, so ordinary, a I've done is set them into their places in the SOP. But I did notice that my three rays gave seven "directions" (including centre), but also provide 12 right angles, if you consider the angles made by any two outgoing rays and the centre. What lies on these twelve angles I intend to meditate on a few times.
But, whether it had anything to do with the Tai Chi seminar I was at, I couldn't help seeing this as a dynamic system in which the centre is eternally here and now, the only possible place in which will can be effective. And, in the magical, or martial sense, a threat coming from any of the directions MUST arrive at the centre (here and now) from which a ready will can deflect it outward along another direction lying at right angles to the first, and allow it to continue on its way. If evil, its "way" will be outward to the ring-pass-not.
Anyway, Monday, Will day, HereNow day, strikes me as Druid Day, and I think from henceforth I will do my groves on Mondays, and cultivate the and strengthen the centre. Thanks for the Dolmen Arch!
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Date: 2020-03-09 05:01 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2020-03-09 08:45 am (UTC)There's no real question this week, I just wanted to report that, according to my journal, last week marked the one year anniversary of my start on the DMH practices. I'm up to part where I'm waiting for the Ogham to give me the go-ahead to awaken the two currents.
It's difficult to quantify how much doing the daily practices have helped, but they definitely have. I still deal with deep set psychological issues which still flare up from time to time (a desire for approval, a tendency to be fearful) but generally I have a deeper sense of acceptance of all aspects of my current situation in life.
More specifically, the daily SOP clears my mood in the mornings and acts kind of as a psychological reset. I'm getting a better sense of when an element is strong or weak during the SOP, which sometimes correlates to the Ogham reading I do afterwards. I've sometimes been able to predict when a few will come up during my daily reading, albeit only occasionally - I'll get a sense that a few will come up, and it will.
Meditation has been very useful, I've sorted through a number of things in the DMH with many useful insights, and I think I now need to start meditating a bit longer per day. That said, if I'm short on time in the mornings, then I usually drop or shorten meditation, according to my journal, I miss 1-2 meditations per week, so I need to work on that.
The Grove Ceremony, which I do roughly once a week, acts as an intensifier of the SOP, for a day or two afterwards it helps strengthen my ability to visualize. I've had useful results from both scrying and doing the transformative workings outlined in the DMH.
Anyhow - just wanted to touch base about how things were going, I'm very happy that I picked up the DMH and started working with it! Thanks very much!
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Date: 2020-03-09 09:09 am (UTC)Is there any equivalent of the "three veils of negative existence" in Druidry?
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Date: 2020-03-09 05:04 pm (UTC)Remember that Druidry has been reinvented over the last 300 years or so out of a gallimaufry of raw materials, and it has no fixed dogma and no uniform theology or practice. That I know of, nobody's yet found the need to work with the three Veils in specifically Druid terms -- but then a lot of Druids over the last century have had at least some background in ceremonial magic, and anyone who needs to discuss that as a part of their experience of the cosmos can as well reference Dion Fortune.
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Date: 2020-03-09 08:17 pm (UTC)The Old Ones seem to have distinct personalities and resolving my personal conflicts with these entities seems to grant further access to the associated element to which I have assigned them. Lovecraftian deities, with the exception of Nyarlathotep, lack a friendly face, which makes them more difficult to relate to, but the added difficulty seems to be reflected in better magic when I actually manage to connect with them. I usually take a few moments after vibrating the name to check in, say hello, ask them for anything I need, and ask them for what they need when I'm feeling generous.
Since starting the SoP, I've gotten contact from a certain Goddess who seemed to approve of the creation of new gods. Apparently, gods appreciate seeing new faces, even faceless ones. This makes me wonder if creating a god is more like putting out a 'help wanted' ad and then whatever divine force is aligned with the intention of your working puts on the listed identity like a set of work boots.
I have noticed that Great Old Ones seem to not be as 'proactive' as 'real' gods. They show up when invoked and prayed to, and they seem to get work done when you're not looking, but I've never 'gotten a call' from one of them in the middle of the day, like I have working with established deities.
In my mind the only thing 'horrific' about the Great Old Ones is that they have goals of their own that have nothing to do with humans. Like other gods, you can offer them what they want and get for some of what you want in exchange. It's much like working with any other set of gods, which is much like working with a friendly set of people.
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Date: 2020-03-09 09:41 am (UTC)This is a long set-up for the question, which is how do you see the stories, mythologies, etc. of the various practices you've engaged in (Golden Dawn, druidry, Freemasonry, etc.)? Given my upbringing and rejection of it, all religious stories and texts seem about as interesting as Aesop's Fables (teaching a simple moral for children).
Tangentially, if I heard you correctly on some podcast recently it sounded like you are working on a Norse version of the Golden Dawn. If so, do you have an expected publication date?
Thank you.
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Date: 2020-03-09 05:36 pm (UTC)Here's an example. In Iolo Morganwg's Druid writings there's a legend about Einigan the Giant, the first of all created beings, and three rowan sticks on which he wrote down all the knowledge that ever was and ever will be. Later on, people worshiped the rowan sticks as gods instead of learning from what was written on them, and Einigan was so distressed by this that he burst apart and died. A long time later, Menw, the founder of what became the Druid tradition, found the skull of Einigan lying abandoned in a field, and the three rowan sticks had taken root and rose up through the eye-holes and mouth of the skull.
Did any of these things actually happen? Of course not. In fact, the business about people worshiping the rowan sticks rather than learning from them is a warning against that kind of fundamentalism. But there's a lot more going on here than that. The skull of Einigan is also the dome of the sky, and the three rowan staves are the shadows cast by a standing stone at midsummer, spring/fall equinox, and midwinter sunrise -- the basis for the old solar astronomy practiced by the Druids. There's much more -- all of it woven into the imagery and events of the tale. Approach myth that way and you'll start to glimpse why it's actually important.
2) That project's been on hiatus for a while, but it's going to be on the top of the stack shortly. I don't have a publication date yet.
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Date: 2020-03-09 09:43 am (UTC)Not able to find any information about this charm so far, I had him bury it in his front yard and take a hoodoo bath.
Three related questions, a) anyone familiar with this specific work, b) was my advice appropriate, c) is there an encyclopaedia of charms? Google nor Lucky Mojo weren't helpful. I'm a novice LRM student, finishing up today actually with self initiation.
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Date: 2020-03-09 05:42 pm (UTC)Central Ray and Ovate Temple
Date: 2020-03-09 09:57 am (UTC)Thanks for being available for these questions.
Is there a way that the Rite of the Central Ray fits into the Ovate temple or are they completely separate exercises?
I felt like doing the Rite I’d the Central Ray as the meditation within the temple, is that ok? And if so, do I do the LRPB first or leave it as I have done LRPS in the opening of the temple?
What would you recommend?
Many thanks
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Date: 2020-03-09 09:57 am (UTC)The geomantic question is about perfection by mutation. I cast a house chart earlier in the week and being rather distracted by the question could only see two aspects coming to the fore. I then realised the repeated figures were next to each other on the chart and that actually I was looking at perfection by mutation. So far, so obvious. However, thinking about it afterwards I realised that mutation could introduce up to two aspects; I'm not entirely sure if the minimum is one or zero.
[It wouldn't be hard to write a program to find out if anyone was interested; there are only 16^4 charts, and 11 variations on each one, for questions involving houses 2-12. That's around 721,000 distinct answers.]
Anyway, the question was simply, if you find perfection by mutation - do you take any aspects into account or do they confuse matters in the same way that witnesses and judges can with a house chart?
The second question is about discouraging poor behaviour. I've recently cleared some land for an outbuilding and a vegetable garden where there was a wood before. The wood contained foxes and in an entirely natural way they are now coming into the cleared space. I don't mind foxes; they are a nuisance for farmers and livestock holders but I don't think they are inclined to menace my carrots. Also, there's a certain insouciance about them that's quite attractive. Sort of dog shaped cats in a way.
Unfortunately, they do tend to leave byproducts behind that are really very smelly indeed. Not quite Skunk level but pungent and wet weather simply enhances the effect. I don't want to stop them coming round, and in any case that would be expensive and probably ineffective, but I would prefer them to handle the earthier aspects of fox life in the woods. As bears do.
A similar problem arises with my new neighbours who are hogging a shared resource - I'm afraid it's street parking - I'm not yet able to give up driving entirely. I'm new in the area and I haven't raised it in person with anyone yet as the chances of souring relations at such an early stage are quite high, there's also the practical problem that people are not often around, I've yet to meet some of them. On the other hand it would be nice to be able to park nearby occasionally, I'm often carrying heavy items.
The internet is full of banishing and binding spells, and noting your comments on malformed enchantments I suspect they range from the ineffective to the downright counterproductive. Even if I was able to make one of them work I don't actually want to banish or bind anyone. What I actually want is a slightly improved attitude to a shared resource
Both these situations share some commonalities, first of all they are utterly trivial and scarcely worth bothering with in the usual way of things, certainly not the sort of thing I'd bother a deity with, nor usually even an archdruid. Secondly they both require the communication of the basic concept 'please respect this space' where communication is difficult. I don't speak fox and my neighbours are not around much to chat with. Thirdly, I've developed the feeling that these are actually challenges that have been presented to me in order to push me in a particular direction. It means that I have to confront the ethical problem that since I've concluded TSW, I need to be sensitive about how I approach it.
I've been brooding on this and concluded that - if possible - the only approach is to change myself rather than try to change the world. It neatly sidesteps the issue of consent, and modifying my own conscious is at least possibly within my grasp.
So (at last), the question becomes have I reached a reasonable conclusion? If I have - where do I start?
Andy
Re: On perfection and foxes
Date: 2020-03-09 05:50 pm (UTC)2) You might consider invoking Mercury in both these cases, and asking for help resolving the situations.
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Date: 2020-03-09 05:53 pm (UTC)Dolmen arch
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Date: 2020-03-09 11:13 am (UTC)A parenI didn't see your comments til after cut-off time.
Here with Mum now, (9.40pm) my sister is combing her hair to make her sleepy enough that we can get her to bed without too much fuss.
Regards, Helen in Oz
Gods and children
Date: 2020-03-09 11:24 am (UTC)Then she wanted to start praying too, so every night she prays the wording you suggested and that I first used: ‘I hope and believe there is a deity out there willing to work with me, please let me come into contact with that god or goddess.’ I did warn her that I did that for ages on and off until I got a response (at least one that I noticed), that we don’t know why gods do or don’t do things, but I think she inherited my lack of patience!
I was raised Catholic but am in totally uncharted territory now. You suggested to other people to read myths from different pantheons to see which ones appeal. I’ve read her books of myths for children, but I don’t want to suggest that to her because she really, really wants to have a special god like I do, so she’d just pick anyone.
I asked Psyche about it even though she doesn’t really talk to me, but afterwards before sleeping I was idly watching the white lights/astral static that I can always see in the dark and I asked again. I’m pretty sure they formed into an owl, twice. So I thought maybe Athena/Minerva was the answer. And when I read up on her, she sounds a bit like my daughter actually! But I did a divination next day to ask if that’s who she should pray to, and it gave me Colled. Right witness was Pobl and left witness was also Colled. On the other hand, divination hates me and the feeling is mutual…
How do deities relate to children? Should she pray to a whole pantheon, or wait for an answer from some specific god? And how would she choose a pantheon? Would it be ok for now if she just prayed to Psyche like me? I’m conscious that her path might be very different from mine and I don’t want to steer her the wrong way.
Dot.
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