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Jan. 26th, 2019 12:25 am
...it just hit the news that a Norwegian billionaire, Gunhild Stordalen, who bankrolled a big campaign to convince people to eat a mostly meatless diet to save the planet, spends her time junketing around with her friends to exotic places around the world in her own $26 million private jet. I don't happen to know exactly how many bacon cheeseburgers it takes to equal one of those flights, but I'd be willing to bet that it's a pretty substantial number. Now of course it comes as no surprise that some privileged person wants everyone else to change their lifestyles so that she doesn't have to; that attitude is far from rare these days. What I find encouraging, though, is that people are finally starting to point out the hypocrisy involved in this sort of thing. I quote one Christopher Snowdon at the Institute of Economic Affairs, who noted:
“The hypocrisy of this is breathtaking.This is a campaign telling ordinary people they should be eating less than half a rasher of bacon per day for the sake of the environment, while the patron is flying people around the world in private jets creating one enormous carbon footprint. This is a classic case of do as I say not as I do."
And of course he's quite correct -- and until privileged environmental "activists" realize that they're not leading at all until they start leading by example, we're going to see a steadily growing number of people ignore everything the environmental movement is trying to say. As one of the great underground comics of the Sixties used to say, "Hear the sound of my feet walkin' drown the sound of my voice talkin'..."
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Date: 2019-01-26 06:52 am (UTC)No, and I never will.
"Have you been to the Himalayas yet?"
No. I live surrounded by beautiful nature and culture already. Why would I put extra helpings of coal and oil into the fire? I want to say to them: you people are young and I want to admire you for the potential you have, for your energy and smiles. But the gulf between words and actions is just too damn high.
I have a friend who is a member of the Green Party and on a city council. How many times over the years have we discussed the necessity to find the joy and depth in your own backyard?
Didn't matter. The whole family went to Thailand last summer.
I'm grumpy because I can't even usefully contrast my friends with those scintillating peacocks on the world stage. Can't I have that one thing? Grr.
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Date: 2019-01-26 07:28 pm (UTC)Me, I'm just trying to see to it that the gap between words and actions gets brought up in public often enough that the next time someone like Ms. Stordalen goes into an orgy of virtue signaling, somebody points out in public that the little jaunt of hers mentioned in the story dumped more carbon into the atmosphere than all the meat I've consumed in my life so far...
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Date: 2019-01-26 07:57 am (UTC)Leadership by example was one of the primary tenets emphasized when I stumbled through Officer Training School, and along with integrity forms the basis of gaining respect. People like Ms. Stordalen motivate others to consume bacon cheeseburgers, since that crime pales in comparison to hopping a jet to Marrakesh for the weekend...
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Date: 2019-01-26 07:43 pm (UTC)I eat rice and beans regularly, btw. I've been poor -- it's kind of traditional for writers! -- and picked up a taste for it when that was one of the few ways we could get a good solid nutritious meal that wouldn't strain the budget. My wife and I are financially pretty comfortable now -- well, by our standards (your standard privileged middle class American would shriek in horror at the thought of living my pleasant, comfortable, environmentally conscious lifestyle, but that's their problem, not mine) -- but we haven't greatly changed the way we eat, as our diet pleases us and we don't worry about trying to compete in the middle class status wars.
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Date: 2019-01-26 10:57 am (UTC)At the seminar we talked about cognitive dissonance and how to overcome it. The example they used was that of the environmentalist who rationalizes to himself it's okay for him to fly. After the seminar I thanked my friend for the discussion and asked him what he was going to do in the evening. He told me he was going home to book a flight for his holiday in Turkey!
Apparently he saw no contradiction in this. As Upton Sinclair said, "It's difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." My friend wasn't getting any salary, but he was winning the approval of his professors and the cute girls in his class! This incident convinced me that the proper attitude to the academic environmentalist scene is to stay as far away from it as possible.
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Date: 2019-01-26 07:47 pm (UTC)As for the academic environmentalist scene, though, no argument there.
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Date: 2019-01-26 07:49 pm (UTC)The Cheese is good!
Date: 2019-01-26 11:46 am (UTC)I manage to eat quite well and that usually involves about half a rasher a day, which is normally consumed when I eat elsewhere and off the property. At home I try to eat as much from the garden as humanly possible. People get funny though if I tell them I'm vegetarian, so I just go with the flow and eat whatever. And most vegetarian food purchased from restaurants is not really that good – probably because it isn’t straight from the garden.
Mate, we just had record breaking heatwaves down here. It was not good at all, and yesterday was extraordinarily horrific and it could have left me being homeless due to the extreme and bonkers fire risk. You don't have to tell me about global warming, I live that stuff. Sorry I'm grumbling due to fatigue, I guess.
A charity mugger from Greenpeace once tried to shake me down for some mad cash to help save the Great Barrier Reef. It's a worthy cause, and I spoke with him about all the stuff I was doing and concluded by pointing at all of the traffic and shops and people and remarked that: 'Mate look around you. None of this stuff is sustainable'. And then, here's the kicker, he said to me: 'I feel sorry for you'. Wow. I walked off as my time was better spent elsewhere.
People like their stuff and they always plead special circumstances. It is what they do.
I thought you were enjoying your holiday? Hey, the cheese down here is very good. For the last Green Wizards visit, we bought a huge chunk of King Island Dairy Vintage Tasty. And during lunch, a lot of which was provided by the garden, I noticed the cheese was being consumed at a goodly rate. I didn't taste any myself that day. And when I did, I went far out this stuff is good! So yeah, the Shoggoths would be very happy. :-) Hope they don't like blue cheese, as my palate is not sophisticated enough to keep that stuff on hand! :-)
Cheers (I think? Maybe?)
Chris
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Date: 2019-01-26 07:51 pm (UTC)Environmental hypocrisy
Date: 2019-01-26 12:52 pm (UTC)Alas, the Institute for Economic Affairs must be having one good laugh as they are well known to promote economic growth at all costs and defending the idea that the best way to preserve the environment is to privatise it altogether...
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Date: 2019-01-26 07:52 pm (UTC)Weekly wednesday posts?
Date: 2019-01-26 12:55 pm (UTC)Since the Dec 26 post which contained your regular review and prediction, you have not posted on the general ecosophia site as far as I can see (I'm a subscriber)
Will those posts resume at any time soon, ir do I need to go to this dreamwidth site to read what you have to say?
Been enjoying and propagating your analyses for several years. Have on clue whoat those choices in from mean, but I do not like to communicate anonymously
Cheers
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Date: 2019-01-26 02:51 pm (UTC)Suppose our bacon cheeseburger has a 1/3 lb. beef patty. According to https://www.treehugger.com/green-food/energy-required-to-produce-a-pound-of-food.html (source 1), beef production is 1176 kcal/lb so this patty required 392 kcal to produce, plus the energy needed to transport it from the ranch to the restaurant.
Pork production is 480 kcal/lb (source 1), but the couple of strips of bacon that turn a regular cheeseburger into a bacon cheeseburger weigh much less than a pound. A typical bacon cheeseburger probably has 2 half-strips (i.e. 1 strip) of bacon on it, and it's 16-20 strips of bacon to a pound (source 2: https://www.thespruceeats.com/bacon-equivalents-and-substitutions-1807458), so we'll take the medium and call 1 strip bacon = 1/18 lb, i.e. 27 kcal production.
Cheese production is 1824 kcal/lb (source 1) and weighs 0.6 oz/slice (source: https://www.reference.com/food/many-ounces-slice-cheese-14dc65ec1efe34b6). Let's assume this is a particularly cheesy cheeseburger and has 2 slices' worth of cheese on it = 1.2 oz = 0.075 lb = 137 kcal production.
So the bacon, beef, and cheese in the burger require 556 kcal of energy to produce. Of course, we still have to account for the buns, lettuce, tomato, ketchup, and mayonnaise, but these being the vegan components of the burger, we'd have to eat them anyway, and we are interested only in the marginal cost. Let's double this energy figure (to 1112 kcal) to take into account the transporting of the animal products, since odds are we're sourcing everything from monocropped Big Agriculture ranches rather than everything from the same local family farm.
Now for the airplane: The article JMG linked cites that she has a Bombardier Challenger 350. I couldn't find fuel stats for the 350 but Wikipedia has them for the 300, at 1,007 L of jet fuel per hour of flight time and a cruising speed of 850 km/h. This equates to 1.185 L/km. Jet fuel is approximately 35 MJ/L = 41.5 MJ/km, which means that if she is flying from Oslo to Marrakesh (3,436 km per Google Earth), the *one-way* flight costs 142,594 MJ = 34.1 million food calories, doubled to 68.2 million because the guests have to return after the wedding.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_economy_in_aircraft#Long-haul_flights
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_Challenger_300
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel
Divide this by 237 because that's the number of guests = 287,800 food calories/guest *each way*, which is more than 250 bacon cheeseburgers' worth of food production (per guest).
Gallivanting around the world with only herself and husband in tow would take even more calories per capita, since now you're only dividing by 2.
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Date: 2019-01-26 03:15 pm (UTC)Which do you think is worse, a hypocrite like Gunhild Stordalen, or someone who uses her existence as excuse to do nothing? To be honest, I don't see a penny's worth of difference between them. One irritated middle aged crank to another, I'm tired of excuses, no matter who is making them or what their class affiliation. There will always be hypocrites, but doing nothing in a crisis because other people are shameful is shameful.
Sorry, I've just come home from the farmer's market where everything is in plastic. And I didn't buy any of it. Loudly. Grump grump.
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Date: 2019-01-26 03:29 pm (UTC)Excuse me while I go shopping for some locally raised bacon....
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Date: 2019-01-26 07:26 pm (UTC)Meanwhile Mt. Everest is cluttered with the garbage of climbers. And human bodies--literally 'turn left at the guy in the blue parka.'
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Date: 2019-01-26 10:19 pm (UTC)Part of me wants to join the hopey train, but I just can't see how it would help, even if legal opinion did shift. Unlike with segregation or big tobacco, the oil industry *hasn't been the only one profiting* by causing emissions, we all also have.
I've been wracking my brain all night trying to find a third way - a way to get money redistributed from people profiting the most from misery to increase resilience for our cities and towns, but that isn't staggeringly hypocritical. The problem I've realised, is in the solution... Our cities are not sustainable even barring climate change, making them last longer is not protecting human habitat either. That realization just helped me make some budget decisions for our upcoming deliberations too...
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Date: 2019-01-26 10:56 pm (UTC)Needless to say, when I later read about who all was behind it, I wasn't surprised.
I've been grateful to be in touch with some young agriculturalists who are strongly backing sustainable, pasture-raised meat and dairy alongside scaling back the big grain monocultures. It boggles the mind how people are grasping on to exotic salads but don't see the sense in local meat and potatoes, and I honestly blame Instagram (and other social media) and how these billionaires' lifestyles are heavily promoted without any criticism or analysis. Maybe this news will spark a turn-around somewhere.
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Date: 2019-01-27 05:00 am (UTC)Avocadoes
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Date: 2019-01-26 11:10 pm (UTC)It wouldn't be that hard for a handful of ecologically-minded celebrities to model a fairly sustainable lifestyle, but I'm not counting on it. I think that at this point in history our culture is adamantly determined to drive itself right off the cliff.
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Date: 2019-01-27 05:00 am (UTC)Two cents from up north
Date: 2019-01-27 11:53 am (UTC)As Ecosophia's resident Norwegian, I'm sad to say what a complete nuthouse this country has turned into. The virtue signalling of the privileged is blasted at top volume from every possible venue. There really is no escape anywhere. What is of course prevalent at this stage of the collapse of the welfare state is the "virtue signal tax", which works like this: Every day at prime time some overprivileged talking head appears in the media and demands that ordinary working people must be forced to pay some absurdly high tax to be allowed to engage in some ordinary basic human activity like eating food or going to work because said activity is immoral (and it's immoral because it's being done by ordinary working people, of course). The tax should of course be used to fund expensive government programs that make privileged liberal talking heads feel good (through more virtue signalling). Factor in that Norwegians already struggle with the highest cost of living in the world, which is justified by the need to keep up a welfare state that no longer actually exists (at this point the state is increasingly unable to provide even basic services nor upkeep of infrastructure). Every physical good and service you'd care to name is being declared morally evil in order to justify society's increasing inability to provide them despite you being forced to pay for them. The collective resentment here is now nearing Weimar levels...
Now two questions come to mind. The first is what is it that the privileged hope to gain by trying to force everybody to partake in their virtue signalling? After all, if everybody did it, it would be useless for signalling class, which is after all what the purpose is?
And second, is the increasingly psychotic behaviour of the privileged a sign that on a deeply subconscious level they sense that the end of their existence is drawing near, like the monkey with its hand in the trap getting increasingly stressed and so desperately keeps on doing what it's used to doing with more and more frenzy? (Yeah, that was my favourite ADR post ever...^^ )
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Date: 2019-01-27 06:33 pm (UTC)1) They're not trying to force everyone to partake in their virtue signaling. That's why it's done in a shrill and punitive fashion, to guarantee opposition and resentment. (I don't know if you heard about the Gillette "toxic masculinity" ad campaign here in the US. It's the same thing.) You model positive behavior if you want to encourage change; you scream insults, make threats, and impose fines when you want to get people to dig in their heels, so you can feel morally superior to the people you're exploiting.
2) I think that's an important part of it. To my mind, though, the big picture is that the religion of progress -- the foundation of everything the privileged classes believe about themselves and their world -- is more and more visibly failing with each passing day. Their god is not merely dead but beginning to rot, and as the stench becomes more and more impossible to ignore, those who've committed themselves body and soul to faith in progress, as the foundation of their worldview and the core strategy they use to justify their behavior, are wigging out.
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Date: 2019-01-28 03:31 am (UTC)I can't see how replacing a monoculture of cows with a monoculture of (undoubtedly GMO) lentils is going to help that much.
I suspect a lot of the push for a meatless diet is that the top 1% want to keep the world population growing indefinitely without total environmental collapse. If people are having less children, it means less people in the future to buy iphones and that means less profits and the whole ponzi scheme starts to collapse. Monocrops of GMO grains however can cheaply keep the masses from starvation and are profitable to boot.
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Date: 2019-01-28 04:58 am (UTC)Otherwise the impression could be all veg-heads and bike riders are grandstanding hypocrites, therefore ecological responsibility is never anything but an authoritarian hoax.
Don’t get me wrong, I try to keep a damper over my virtue signals, as the mere admission that I prefer to avoid meat (or sight of me on a bike) is enough to trigger defensive reactions. But if you don’t state your position time and again, people will continue to try and foist it on you, and take great offence if you refuse. I show up for family dinners and they think it’s a compromise to prepare fish every time, like they could NEVER even consider having a vegetarian meal just once. I never asked for the fish, and I don’t need them to cook for me, but they don’t get it (like, hellooo, there’s a reason growing vegetables is my occupation) so I’ve started to decline and it’s been going over like a lead balloon.
Anyway, I’m ranting, and it all feels hopelessly ineffectual as a form of activism, but at least I’m not corrupting my temple with that stuff, and I can look myself in the mirror.
And I love rice and legumes! practically subsisting on them this winter!
Thanks JMG for your thoughts as always. Be well (=
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