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Magic FailTwo more tales from the ongoing story of the anti-Trump magicians...

1) On October 20, a Wiccan bookstore in Brooklyn will be hosting a hex party aimed at the newly confirmed Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh. Tickets (already sold out) are $10 a head. Kavanaugh, according to the organizers, will be "the focal point, but by no means the only target, so bring your rage and all the axes you've got to grind."

I suppose that's one way to guarantee a successful fundraiser at a time when rage has become the most fashionable addictive drug, and it's also a good example of the particular return of the repressed I talked about last year on the blog; now that hate has become subject to the same kind of taboos that Victorians applied to sex, people are frantically looking around for excuses to hate and still feel good about themselves. Donald Trump has thus come to occupy a vitally necessary role in the emotional lives of a great many Americans, and events like the bookstore hex party play exactly the same role in today's culture that weekend spouse-swapping parties played in the 1950s. (We're still a few years out from people marching down the street chanting, "Say it now and say it loud, I hate and I'm proud.") 

In terms of magical efficacy, though, Justice Kavanaugh can sleep easy in his bed. Successful magic requires focus; if the 60 attendees at the hex party all bring everything that makes them angry and cast a group spell intended to curse everything on everybody's laundry list of hatreds, each target will get considerably less than 1/60th of a curse -- little enough that any residual effect will be drowned out by the ordinary workings of randomness. Mind you, the participants will doubtless go home smiling and relaxed, and I suspect that's the actual point of it all. 

2) On a considerably more serious plane, Celtic Pagan Morpheus Ravenna has been talking some practical common sense to the anti-Trump magical scene, pointing out that hostile magic is difficult and dangerous stuff that should probably be left to people who know what they're doing, that spiritual hygiene and protection are crucial in that sort of work, and -- most impressive of all -- that Trump is a symptom of a broader problem and those who hate him need to deal with their own contributions to that broader problem. These are excellent points; we're looking at a far more competent and knowledgeable occultist than the ones I've discussed in earlier posts on this theme. 

The problem with Ravenna's work is subtler, though no less lethal. She's smart enough not to give the details of her own working -- another mark in her favor -- but discusses the general focus of it, which is to try to use Trump's oath of office as the basis for a curse, in the belief that he's broken it and is therefore vulnerable. That's potentially a very clever move, except for one thing: Trump hasn't broken his oath of office. 

Here's the oath of office of the President of the United States: 

""I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

That's all. So far, Trump has carried out his duties as President, as specified by the Constitution, and none of his actions have violated the specific terms of the Constitution. Please remember here that the Constitution is a legal document setting out how the US government is to be run and, as amended, giving the citizens of the United States specific rights relative to the government. Nowhere does it contain a clause saying "The Democratic Party always gets its way," or allowing people to insist that additional rights must be enforced even though they're not enumerated in the Constitution. 

The difficulty Ravenna faces here is that the Celtic magical traditions in which she works have very specific warnings about what happens if you curse someone who doesn't deserve it. What happens is that you get whatever you're trying to send to the other person. Since Trump hasn't committed the offense she insists he has, she's in line for a whale of a backlash. 

There's a great scene at the beginning of Bruce Lee's film Enter the Dragon where he's teaching a student how to fight, and he makes a point about the difference between emotional energy and anger. Emotional energy is an important source of magical power, but if you're too deeply mired in an emotional state to think clearly, you probably need to set aside your magical tools until you've calmed down. That's true of any strong emotion, but it's especially true of anger -- and at a time when a great many people on all sides of the political spectrum are basically rage junkies these days, that's worth keeping in mind. 

Some comments on hate

Date: 2018-10-13 09:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] packshaud
Before, life in America was easy. One could socially hate the Soviets, and this was made the biggest national sport. After the fall of the USSR, all that hate had to go somewhere.

Much of the rest of the world doesn't suffer this problem. It is fashionable to hate America, for it's crude oil fueled lifestyle, or for what she made after the first peak to keep the American dream running.

I hope that after the American Empire ends, the winners don't proceed to humiliate America and we get the good end in Twilight's Last Gleaming, and America doesn't pull a Samson, throwing a fit of "if I can't take over the world, no one will."
From: (Anonymous)
Not only that, but any magician worth their salt will be able to see to it that the energy from the working stays with the shop and the participants.

(I'll have to cross that shop off my list. If they regularly host this kind of thing, the place must be a psychic sewer, and everything in it will be tainted. Ugh.)
From: (Anonymous)
Last month I visited with a friend who lives in NYC I actually asked her about the “occult shop” in Brooklyn under discussion here - not because of any of this but because I know some astrologers who work(ed) out of there. I was curious if she was familiar with the place. Her immediate response was that she didn’t like the vibe of it, though perhaps wanting to be fair she did get her first tarot deck there. It did help her move in a positive direction in that way.

But I know her to be psychically sensitive, so I pressed her a bit and she repeated that the vibe itself is a little sketch. It is not a place she would frequent or necessarily seek out. She recalled the interior as being painted black. I went online and found that it is a dark red, with black trim, but it definitely left her with a spooky impression.

Then she said another thing that turned her off was that someone (a guy) there teaches classes on how to place curses and hexes on others. I gave her my opinion of that sort of thing, including my bet that he doesn't teach about being connected to everything you send out into the world, so it's going to come back to you. I don't think she was the least tempted to learn about cursing others/oneself but yea, I would rather steer clear of that place.

Rage-o-Mania!

Date: 2018-10-14 12:39 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Forgive me for not knowing much about magic, but... what does backlash entail? I've heard suggestions about cancer clusters and autoimmune disorders. Is that realistic? And I've noticed rage junkies frequently have a look of poor health... But that is anecdotal. Also - are there any cow skull on a pole warnings to wave at budding rage-o-matics?

Re: Rage-o-Mania!

Date: 2018-10-14 02:52 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
From a biomedical perspective living in a state of on going rage one would expect all the pathologies the arise from constant state of stress, hypertension and heart disease, insulin resistance pushing toward type II diabetes and obesity, impaired mental function, cancer and susceptibility to infection. All a fairly straightforward outcome of increased long term(nor)epinephrine and glucocorticoids.

Re: Rage-o-Mania!

Date: 2018-10-14 01:51 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
And this, ladies and gentlemen, makes this whole thing a little more palatable to those who are entrenched in the academic scientific way.
Compare those urban (?) dwellers being concerned about things they can't change and some guys not caring about this all while working in their kitchen garden to feed their children.

Who at the end of the day will have a good night's sleep?

Re: Rage-o-Mania!

Date: 2018-10-15 12:54 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
All of them. The urbanites will sleep the sleep of the just knowing they fought Trump and The Patriarchy (TM).

There’s nothing wrong with these women that 6 months of stoop labor or fast-food employment wouldn’t cure.

Backlash

Date: 2018-10-14 11:11 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
@anonymous (12:39am), JMG

I note in the excerpt posted that she’s talking about taking down the Pres, VP and all the cabinet members by making them fight each other, etc.

If this the case, and if JMG is right about them (mostly) not violated their oaths of office, then the backlash might take out the organization she built and heads.

I’d stay far away from any place she’s working as well.

Another problem with the working

Date: 2018-10-14 01:01 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
After giving this a bit of thought, I see another problem with this working. It's trying to fix a symptom, not the root cause. Since Ravenna has diagnosed an underlying cause, that's what the working should be aimed at dealing with, not the symptom. Even if her working does, indeed, manage to deal with Trump satisfactorily, without dealing with the root cause, something else will arise to replace him.

John Roth

Re: Another problem with the working

Date: 2018-10-14 01:33 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
It would also be something that would have reasonably broad-based support, which would minimize the chance of other mages interfering with it.

(no subject)

Date: 2018-10-14 02:46 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I find it interesting that Trump has become the lightning rod of so much lazy hate, and that his removal is the silver bullet cure we've all been looking for. Guys a New York huckster who is as shady as you like, but only difference between him and the last lot is his blatantness which is somewhat refreshing. It's way beyond ironic that if for whatever reason he was removed, Pence would be tenfold worse.

Fwiw, the US is not unique in it's levels of hate. Where I live the only difference is that it is directed internally at the self, rather than externally with the caveat of the US being the cause of every wrong in existence, while our own set of clowns do exactly the same bs, albeit on a smaller scale.

(no subject)

Date: 2018-10-14 09:03 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
And where do you live exactly?

what about emoluments?

Date: 2018-10-14 02:50 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Trump has been accepting payments from foreign governments through Mar a Lago and the Trump hotel in DC... And his fortune is being hurt. He's falling on the Forbes fortune list.


It seems crazy and improbable that fame would hurt your fortune. I bet that's from the hex?

Re: what about emoluments?

Date: 2018-10-15 01:30 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Sorry if this is OT, no need to post. But I'm not sure I agree that "nothing in the Constitution prohibits the president from accepting money from foreign governments". what about Article 1, Section 9, paragraph 8? As I understand, that is the clause that is commonly understood as prohibiting federal officers, including the president, from accepting "any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State." True, congress can authorize such gifts,but it seems to me that there is a provision that, absent such authorization, the president cannot accept money from foreign states. Could be wrong, but thought I'd raise the point. As always, thanks for your time, effort, and insight!

Re: what about emoluments?

Date: 2018-10-15 02:53 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I suppose I will enjoy the show and see where it goes.
As has been said, I can't imagine trying to curse or hex someone, especially someone who isn't in my life at all.

FYI, I think Trump is accused of breaking the emoluments clause farther down in section 9 - it's a misc section after talking in detail about congress. But it may have been intended to apply to congress, it's a novel question.


Quoted below.


8: No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.



I defer to your wisdom in matters of magic.

Re: what about emoluments?

Date: 2018-10-16 01:11 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ritaer
What, I said to myself, is an emolument? Webster's, here I come. According to the Merriam-Webster Collegiate 10th edition, an emolument is "the returns arising from office or employment usually in the form of compensation or perquisites." I would suggest that what the Founders had in mind was preventing any Federal officer holder from also holding an office or employment from a foreign government--for obvious reasons of conflict of interest. As JMG has observed, Congress has passed various bills on the subject. Some office holders have been more scrupulous than others--refusing even minor personal gifts. Being one of those people given to finding strange pictures in uncommon words I will note that emoluments sound oily to me. I picture slaves bringing in alabaster bottles of richly scented unguents, although the word actually derives from grinding, as of meal. So derived from payments in grain or bread?

I think it is worth noting that it has been some time since any president or cabinet official has left office poorer than they went in, or been found in genteel poverty after retirement. Neither party, at any level of government, wants to turn the spotlight on why that is the case. So, while outside groups may push for Trump to be accused and indicted under this clause I doubt there will be any support for the notion in the Capitol, even if the Democrats achieve a majority in one or both houses.

Rita

(no subject)

Date: 2018-10-14 03:54 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Well, John, I’ve been reading Magic Mondays faithfully and have recently tried a couple of things. As you may have noticed, This Stuff seems to Work, and I’m finding it so helpful that I can’t imagine why I’d even want to bother trying to hex someone who doesn’t know I exist, and wouldn’t care if he did know, when I could be putting the time and effort into improving my own life. I’d feel this way even if I weren’t afraid of raspberry jam.

(no subject)

Date: 2018-10-14 05:36 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thank YOU for educating me! And I am glad I was a breath of fresh air in the Internet sewage we must all wade through.

(no subject)

Date: 2018-10-14 03:55 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Well, they justify it by saying that the universe is on their side, and so there's no real risk to the magic. See page 6 of "Magic for the Resistance: Rituals and Spells for Change" for a particularly blatant example of it.

I got the book as an alt-right mage to toy with them, and oh man it's fun. There are so many poorly designed workings there!

'Sovereignty Oath'

Date: 2018-10-14 09:55 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I read the link to Morpheous Ravenna's comments, and my immediate impression was that she buys into the narrative that Russia interfered in the election to get Trump elected, and that's how Trump violated his oath of office - for example, she says he violated the oath of office from 'day one'. Now, personally, I don't buy that narrative, so I would agree that that's a false basis for a magical attack. Do you think that's what she's hinting at?

Re: 'Sovereignty Oath'

Date: 2018-10-15 12:27 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
She’s probably hinting that he violated the oath of office by existing and profaning the demi-goddess Hillary. 😉

Re: 'Sovereignty Oath'

Date: 2018-10-15 01:55 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Oh, my.

I have Hillary's Michael chart. (so do a lot of other people - it's not exactly a secret.) She's a 2nd level Mature Warrior, but she's manifesting late Young for reasons. Warriors don't have a lot of charisma, but they're good at getting things done. She'd have been an uninspiring but effective President if the Right had let her be. My guess is that well over half of the people on this forum are farther along the reincarnation sequence than she is.

Re: 'Sovereignty Oath'

Date: 2018-10-15 04:21 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Goodness gracious.

Re: 'Sovereignty Oath'

Date: 2018-10-15 02:36 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Ew, gross.

Re: 'Sovereignty Oath'

Date: 2018-10-15 05:59 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Is the fairly regular disregard of that latter concern we see these days due to the belief that the folks involved see themselves as not possibly being wrong, or that they don't believe the gods are real (versus, say elemental forces to be manipulated), or perhaps a combination of the two?

--David, BTL

Red and White Stars

Date: 2018-10-15 03:02 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Hi JMG,

I continue to apply the defenses described in Dion Fortune's 'Psychic Self Defense to the situation with my uphill neighbor. As you may remember, he added two dump-truck loads of loose dirt to an already unstable hillside, and it has started to tumble down across my property line.
The defenses seem to be working. He has stopped all work on the hillside, and has stopped throwing trash and old steakbones into our yard. I notice an occasional feeling of pressure coming from his direction, like a headache that has not been able to become a headache.
I did another defense from the book, with left hand held out, palm vertical (like a traffic cop signalling a car to stop), and made a five point defensive star, point up, with the right hand, in his direction. Since then I have a recurring mental image of a wall of stars along the top of the hill, perhaps 15 feet high with linking points. They are aligned pointing upward, and seem to be made of oscillating red and white twisted rope.
Can you explain the stars? Assuming they are part of the magical defensive working (?), how often will I need to repeat that defense?

Cheers,
E. Goldstein

Ravenna vs Fortune

Date: 2018-10-15 11:18 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Morpheus Ravenna's writing is very, very different from Dion Fortune's. There's a number of odd features in her post that I've noticed in a lot of occult online writing - highly emotive tone, jumping rapidly from one topic to another, lots of poorly defined jargon and almost no supporting arguments for the assertions being made. I understand that the occult is mostly about nonrational phenomena and perceptions, but it seems like a lot of people have completely thrown out their logic altogether.

To be quite honest, it's these displays of wild irrationality that kept me away from the occult for so long - I don't want to be the sort of person that writes that kind of blog post!

(no subject)

Date: 2018-10-16 12:50 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I saw this, and it really depressed me. For me, what makes me frustrated is that they welcome people who don't actually believe in any of it. Why would you do that? If you think you're playing pretend in order to alleviate some political frustration and get your rocks off, then play pretend. If you think it's a working, take it seriously as a working. These silly stunts are demeaning to the practice of magic.

Also, I've visited the book store personally a couple of months ago looking for a copy of Cos Doc for the book club. Not one book of Fortune's and shelves full of Crowley. That told me everything I needed to know and I had no desire to return. Now even more.

Pretty rough...

Date: 2018-10-17 05:19 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ripsawridge
Good post! Spending time trying to "hex" people seems like a mode of consciousness that I ran AWAY from into magic study. There is only one job here, and that is achieving greater understanding, coming to know your Individuality and joyfully attempting to climb the Tree.

I count these "hexers" with slum lords, marketers, generally people who search for "angles" over other people. Shame on them for ignoring the Work when they have some appreciation of the unseen realm. I imagine their Guardians, standing first with an expectant and welcoming smile, which gradually freezes and falls in disappointment. Lamps were lit for these fools in the Inner Temple, but they are not visiting and the oil will run out.

Okay, I'll stop ranting, lol...

More practically, there is a tremendous amount of countervailing power in the mass of Trump supporters. They ache to catch him if he falls. They see him as redemption of their worldview, and for that they are deeply grateful. They feel the scorn directed at Trump personally, and they actually absorb and neutralize it. I tend to think there energy would be there should it come to concentrated beams of power or whatever.

Bah,
--Michael

(no subject)

Date: 2018-10-19 10:36 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
There's a few early rocks falling in the incoming avalanche of blowback against 'woke' neopagans everywhere:

Conservative Christians galvanized:

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/10/were_not_battling_craziness_were_battling_evil.html

An extremely alarmed Irish occultist compares the probable consequences of this to the blowback the Lakota got from the Ghost Dance movement:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL8SIu5mHGM (audio-only friendly)

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