Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 223

[ecosophia]

We are now into the fifth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary all these years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health remain anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; public health authorities government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; new revelations are leaking out about just how bad the Covid vaccines are for human health; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.

5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

6. Please don't just post bare links without explanation. A sentence or two telling readers what's on the other side of the link is a reasonable courtesy, and if you don't include it, your attempted post will be deleted.

7. Please don't post LLM ("AI") generated text. This is a place for human beings to talk to other human beings, not for the regurgitation of machine-generated text. Also, please don't discuss large language models (the technology popularly and inaccurately called "artificial intelligence" these days) except as they bear directly on the Covid phenomenon. Here again, my finger is hovering over the delete button. 

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion. 

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I am wondering whether these covid posts should also go on a monthly schedule. During the peak months, I used to read this series many times per day. These days I only visit once a week.

[ecosophia]

They're still hitting well over fifty comments a week, and last week's was over a hundred. That's enough for me to keep them weekly. If they drop below fifty comments a week for an extended period, I'll revisit that.

A Dream

[(Anonymous)]

Last night I dreamed I was a passenger on an airplane. The plane had only just left the runway and I could see the icy harbour of a large city below us.

Suddenly I (and everyone else on the plane, simultaneously) realized that the engines were not going to kick in as they should. We were suspended over cold, dark water and we were about to fall. Instantly whatever relationships we had had to one another up until that moment (stranger, friend, enemy) realigned to something like: we are all in this together. (No irony intended). The dream ended right at that moment.

A heart-racing start to my day, no question. Since I've only flown once in the last fifteen years, and am not particularly afraid of doing so, this seemed like the kind of dream that carries a message. Anyone else getting similar messages?

Dylan

Re: A Dream

[the_arcane_archivist]

Two scarcities seem to be up for discussion as we are in the air at the moment for a new order of things:
- energy scarcity, discussed a lot in these forums;
- consistency scarcity, this is a rather new thing, where things that worked as they should before no longer work now because of the garbage induced by this data scramblers called, LLMs, diffusion image generators, generative AI, etc

[(Anonymous)]

Just bought " Unvaxxed Soul" from a recommendation by john waters. Who is a articulate Irish shale disturber lawyer. Another story on my to read stack is Old Man Sailing by John Passmore. True stories of unfoxed men who had the courage of their convictions to pack up and leave the lockdown.
I had enough of vancouver and back in spring tossed the docklines and ended up in a small village in the gulf islands. Not sure,as my occult knowledge is pretty basic, but I feel a Presence and optimism I haven't felt since 2019. Big improvement in my violin, guitar (splurged on a Martin 12 string with a to die for shimmering sound), and watercolor painting skills. Working on my seamanship skills sailing.
Lots of woke PMC to be wary of but as we all here have learned one can have a pleasant conversation without stepping on any landmines. But I'll never forgive or forget how they viewed the Unclean.
Longsword

[fredsmith11]

Ironically, they're the Unclean now.

[(Anonymous)]

I forgot to report this here at the time, but a few months ago the daycare where my sister's kids attend had to shut down for a measles outbreak. This was blamed in the media on nefarious anti-vaxxers, but the publicly-operated facility had a strict vaccine policy. Every kid there had had their measles shot.

Let me repeat that: every kid there had a measles shot, but there was still a measles outbreak. Now I can't recall ever hearing of that happening in decades past. We got our measles shots and you never heard of anyone ever getting measles. Heck, even antivaxers back in the day didn't seem to question the MMR's ability to keep you from getting measles, mumps or rubella-- they just questioned the risk:reward calculus. (Until COVID, anyway.)

I'm not sure if its the same poor QA/QC that made the COVID shots such a batch-based crapshoot for side effects, or if the new vaccine schedule is preventing immunity from arising, but I know something isn't working. I could see it going either way: our corporate overlords obviously don't care about putting out a quality product. At the same time, on the vaccine schedule here there are some doctor's visits where your child gets multiple needles, each of which has a composite vaccine for multiple ailments. I can't remember what all of them all, and I have my doubts a child's immune system can anyway. Perhaps it's both at once.

Either way, the benefit of the childhood vaccines is being lost; we're forced to contend with the risk, while losing the reward. Thus it is that a daycare full of vaccinated kids gets a measles outbreak.

[(Anonymous)]

The issues with the measles vaccine have been know for decades, and the current outbreaks foreseen in detail by anyone who wishes to look honestly.

Unlike a natural infection, the vaccine does not confer lifelong immunity and further it does not transfer from mother to child. First-generation vaccine recipients as children already had limited immunity from their mother which was subsequently boosted by the vaccine, increasing the apparent effectiveness. But now that the current generation of mothers has no natural immunity, this effect is absent and the vaccine is insufficient on its own for a large number of recipients.

This is classic vaccine failure, in a sense a form of diminishing returns in biological systems. Much the same thing happens with all modern medicines over time as well, although for reasons that cannot readily be explained my materialistic methods.

[tritumi]

There is much anticipated in 2026. Regrettably, from what my limited vision allows, the anticipation falls mostly in the turbulence of a 4th Turning.

For COVID, and for other areas that have long been under the burden of an Agenda, Disclosure is al one can hope for.

[the_arcane_archivist]

Disclosure is al one can hope for.

if we look at Israel, the hyper-vaccinated country, the background chaos may cover the truth altogether, unfortunately, there is a lot of chaos potential in the US Empire...

[(Anonymous)]

i dont recall anyone ever having any vax's when i was a kid, for measles. or much of anything else for that matter.
we just.. got measles. and were sick with them for awhile. we didnt even go the the dr. my mum just said i had measles.
i dont know how a shot for them is a thing.
its confusing to me, and now ppl just seem to wonder if the shot worked or not..

we didnt get any shots before.
maybe ppl dont remember or im just old now.
but i find it strange to even have it as a thing.

[(Anonymous)]

from james o'keefe:

BREAKING: Government Accountability Office Director Reveals Covert Effort Inside GAO to Defy RFK Jr., Preserve Vaccine Data Deleted by HHS (VIDEO)

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/11/government-accountability-office-director-reveals-covert-effort-inside/

they are up against this from different agencies..

My Cats

[(Anonymous)]

Hi Everyone,

I believe veterinarians are saying cats need many injections of vaccines. I do not believe this is in the best interests of cats.

I have a pair of cats. We live in the country and they spend a lot of time outside hunting and prowling. One had a couple of vaccines when he was a kitten about ten years ago. He was neutered when he was young. I regret having his little nards off now.

The other cat is a year and a half old. He has never had any vaccines and is intact. He is a fine healthy cat, very sweet and affectionate. He has never been ill. I feed my boys raw liver twice a day and they have kibble made only from meat and it costs the earth.

We also have sheep and I have stopped vaccinating them and they are fine. Sheep are normally vaccinated a couple of times a year. One of my neighbours also keeps sheep without vaccinating them and their sheep are very healthy.

My husband and I have not had a vaccine for over ten years. We are both fine thanks. During and since Covid, we have had a couple of minor colds and the flu. Nothing elderberry syrup couldn't easily handle.

All this makes me wonder just in whose interest all these vaccines are given.
Maxine

Re: My Cats

[ecosophia]

For what it's worth, the last thing even approximating a vaccine I had was a diphtheria booster in 1989 -- I was working as an aide in a Seattle nursing home at that time, we got a new patient in from a local hospital who had a ghastly bedsore (which means very poor patient care at the hospital), and the bedsore turned out to be infected with the diphtheria bacillus (which means very poor sanitary procedure at the hospital). So all the aides and nurses rolled up their sleeves and got a booster.

Before then? Not since my age was still in single digits. My health is quite good at age 63, thank you. The one time I got sick with Covid, I got over it in two and a half days, using no medicine stronger than biochemic cell salts, chicken hot & sour soup, and plenty of sleep. That is to say, Maxine, I think you're on to something...

MWD and DMSO

[stubborn_ass]

This came out a couple days ago... very handy reference about DMSO usage / dosage and success stories which people have had with it.

https://www.vigilantfox.com/p/exclusive-your-biggest-dmso-questions

This para is somewhere near the start:
AMD: I really want to finish the DMSO series so I can move on to my next focus, but I also feel it needs to be done properly without corners being cut to make the impact it can make in the moment we are at. The two main areas I have not yet done deep dives on are how DMSO transforms dentistry (as that is a very large subject) and how DMSO greatly helps urinary and sexual health (I have minimal experience with male sexual health as I rarely discuss the subject with friends or patients—so I’ve needed a lot more time to discuss the subject with colleagues prior to publishing the article).

*****************************
I bring it up as there was a mini debate here a few years ago, as I thought all along tha MWD (aka AMD) is female, some folks agreed, while others said possibly male. I think we can now safely conclude that MWD is a woman. I remember somewhere in her writings where she stated that she deliberate chose not to confirm her gender and made sure her writing was 'gender-neutral'.... it was a time when some level of anonymity provided just a little bit more protection for all of us as the system was still fully engaged in confronting 'heretics', so her caution then was understandable and we never pushed the issue here either. I enjoyed the nice friendly debate we had here.

I thought the mention of DMSO for dentistry might be helpful for our host.. personally I had some bad cavity which caused pain to run down one side of my throat. I figured some bad bacteria might have gained access to areas where it normally doesn't go, and inflammation was being triggered. While I did my normal oil pulling with sesame oil to fix the cavity issue - together with chewing more xylitol gum, I also applied DMSO on that side of the throat a few times a day... and the pain quickly became tolerable... and eventually disappeared after a couple of days.

She also mentioned that people have had good results using DMSO with topical VIM. My youngest son has had to suffer through the worst ezcema from the shedding in school - like he was napalmed. However using both the topical cream (actually just the usual pony paste) and DMSO hasn't generated as much positive results, as compared to using each individually, and separated in time. I've also noticed that when I take the liquid VIM for various issues.. and then apply DMSO on my back at the same time, my sleep pattern is not as enhanced .... whereas using the liquid VIM by itself.. or DMSO by itself, helps with my sleep.

So for now, my deduction is that while VIM and DMSO have been revealed as potent therapeutics for an extremely large set of ailments, with some overlap.... the receptors which they attach to in our bodies and then signal for the greater healing to take place - is probably the same receptors. So applying both in close proximity means they compete unnecessarily... thus reducing their actual efficacy. No side effects when in combo, as both are still very safe for most people... Anyways, that's a new working hypothesis that I've come to in just the past week, so will be adjusting how I use those compounds.

Re: MWD and DMSO

[(Anonymous)]

SA,
I had the same response as you about AMD's gender when I read that paragraph. I had come to that conclusion because in a comment to one of their pieces, they exclaimed that they never liked high heels. Now of course there are men who might say that and in the context it was written, it felt revealing to me. Then earlier this year someone collaborating with AMD on a project definitively declared AMD as male. A red herring?

Anyway, I appreciate your sharing about IVM and DMSO and the receptor idea. So much to experiment with.

For those interested in dentristry alternatives, earlier this year Curious Outlier published a couple of pieces about chlorine dioxide and dental issues. The testimonials are astounding. Here's the first piece:
https://curioushumanproductions.substack.com/p/eliminate-oral-infections-and-restore?utm_source=publication-search

I switch to using chlorine dioxide to brush my teeth and it cleared up a minor gum issue I was having.

[(Anonymous)]

Our local creepy-billionaire-owned "alternative" news source published this little wonder today from the AP

https://www.civilbeat.org/2025/11/rfk-jr-says-hes-following-gold-standard-science-heres-what-to-know/

I'm actually getting excited because it has the unmistakeable scent of desperation and panic.

KVD

[(Anonymous)]

I recently saw a discussion coming from the pro-vaccine side, which touched upon a couple of points. They mentioned the extreme divide that exists between the pro and anti vaccine sides, the loss of trust in science and public health, the lack of "nuance" in the views being presented, and that the two sides need to try and meet in the middle somewhere.

Of course, what they really want is for the anti-vaccine side to move more towards the middle ground. And when they talk about "lack of nuance" what they really mean is anyone who outright rejects the idea of vaccines, fearmongering of diseases, and public health measures ranging from contact tracing to vaccine mandates.

They want people to accept a few basic premises: the pros of vaccines outweigh the cons; viruses are dangerous and can do severe harm; the science behind public health is basically sound; and public health bureacracies are needed to protect society against disease.

To this end, you will see people who claim to be against lockdowns, masks, and the mRNA vaccines make arguments similar to the following:

- the mRNA vaccines were improperly tested and rolled out too quickly, but all other vaccines are still valid.

- the mRNA vaccine mandates were wrong, but the childhood schedule is still valid.

- vaccines cause some adverse events, but the diseases being vaccinated against are dangerous and would cause even more harm.

- the experts were wrong about the science behind lockdowns and masks, but you should still believe them when they talk about the science behind viruses and vaccines.

- the covid response was wrong and an overreaction, and the mRNA vaccines were bad, but covid is still a dangerous virus that is continuing to do harm, and could possibly mutate into a more harmful form in the future.

- the public health agencies manipulated data and exaggerated the number of covid cases in 20 and 21, but you should still believe the data that they are putting out right now.

As for distrust of science, one reason not to trust any scientist or other "expert" is the institutions they work for. Billion dollar corporations, politicised government bureacracies with a strong ideological bias who think they have the right to intrude into people's lives, academic institutions who have been captured by the corporate sector and who again have a strong ideological bias towards corporate/bureaucratic management of society. Nothing that comes out of these institutions should be trusted.

But I would go even further than this, and say I don't even trust the education that these scientists have received. The lockdowns, masks mandates, and vaccine mandates were all done in the name of "science" and resulted in mass human rights violations. But it didn't seem to bother anyone in the scientific community that lives were destroyed in their name. There weren't any protests from either the academics or student bodies against any of the covid measures, and I hear that students were highly compliant when it came to the mask and vaccine mandates that were imposed upon them.

It only took a bit of basic scientific and numerical literacy (plus basic logical thinking) to be able to see through the covid nonsense. If the science academics and students weren't able to do this, then there is something wrong with how they have been taught. If the science academics and students either couldn't see or didn't have a problem with the massive human rights violations that were committed during covid, then there is something severly lacking in the way they have been educated. If they don't understand that science is just a collection of theories that are always open to questioning, and not some unquestionable truth that overrides individual freedoms and human rights, then their credibility as scientists is zero.

As someone who 100% rejects vaccines, fearmongering of diseases, and the idea that we need an army of scientists and bureaucrats to protect society against disease: if the vaccine shills and virus fearmongers want to say I am an extremist, or see things in black and white, or lack "nuance" in my viewpoints, then that is fine by me.

The real extremism was the lockdowns, vaccine mandates/passports, hate propaganda campaigns against dissenters, censorship of dissenting views, psychological warfare against society that turned people against each other, and the mass human rights violations and destruction of lives.

There can never be any common ground with people (the "experts" in the totalitarian public health complex) who supported any of the above.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, isn't it rather like heretic-burning Catholic theologians saying that they'd like to get closer to heretics, finding a reasonable middle-ground in which the latter concede that burning is a laudable practice, even if it has been somewhat overdone sometimes? Rejecting burning completely is so extreme!

Youtube cancer videos

[stubborn_ass]

Question for the commentariat... In the past few days, on my YT feed I'm getting a flood of cancer patient stories, both short and long form. All very professionally produced, a major producer being 'A Patient Story'. Tends to be young folks... talking about how they discovered their cancer... all going or had went through the conventional treatments. Sometimes the turbo cancer is so fast, that I know at least 1 died just 2 days after her video was posted. I don't pay much attention and seldom click on the links... but I still get flooded with it.

I have an uneasy sense that they're trying to get ahead the turbo cancer tsunami... and are trying to normalizing having cancers at a young age.

Re: Youtube cancer videos

[(Anonymous)]

My guess is that the rise in cancer, especially among the young and/or in turbo form, is getting to obvious to ignore, so yes, this is an attempt to address the elephant in the room from within acceptable paradigms.

Something I remember reading (unfortunately, I can't remember where) looked at how the mainstream medical establishment is misleading by omission with respect to rising cancer rates in the young. Specifically, they are saying that cancer rates have been rising for some time (e.g., well before covid), and then go on about how nobody knows why, many factors are possible, blah blah. But apparently, when you break the data down more closely, the story looks different. Cancer rates among the young have indeed been rising for some time (not a lie), but it was a slow increase - until they really took off around 2021 or 2022. The mainstream media tends to ignore that last little detail.

The medical establishment basically owns the mainstream media, so they can plant stories, or encourage stories to be written, that can then be slanted in a way that avoids uncomfortable facts and discourages people from asking too many of the wrong questions.

churches and the covid vaxx

[charlieobert]

People here have commented that the covid vaxxes seem to have a deadening and even demonic effect on spiritual awareness, that it gives a kind of dullness or a sort of distracted deadness.

There was a discussion on MM this week where JMG commented that the egregore, the group-mind, of institutional churches seems to be particularly toxic these days.

I wonder if the two are related - if the toxic quality of churches is related to the vaxxes, or if both are part of a larger phenomenon of spiritual degredation in big institutions.

Does this resonate with other's experiences of churches in the post-covid era?

Re: churches and the covid vaxx

[yarnell_perkins]

My church doesn't seem to have been affected, but we're full of crunchy cons and anti-vaxxers. We haven't driven anyone off, but we did lose a few families because they were outraged that the church wasn't actively requiring the COVID vax. That and early on we started having church outside instead of cancelling church. Funny thing, it never rained on Sunday morning until we moved back inside again. These days we've had to start having two services because people are flocking to join us and we're bearing fruit in other ways as well -- acts of charity, people praying more, etc.

[(Anonymous)]

more fraud..


DOJ cracks down on healthcare fraud in Michigan, charging three people who stole $20 million total

A former pharmacist was sentenced to 46 months in prison while another former pharmacist and his brother were sentenced to eight years and five years in prison, respectively.

https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/doj-cracks-down-healthcare-fraud-michigan-charging-three-people-who-stole-20

[(Anonymous)]

Louisiana surgeon general who halted state's mass vaccination campaign appointed No 2 at CDC

Dr. Ralph Abraham is now serving as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s principal deputy director

https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/louisiana-surgeon-general-who-halted-states-mass-vaccination-campaign

sounds promising at least

nattokinase

[(Anonymous)]

I've done a couple of searches on nattokinase but search engine results seem to be deteriorating.
Does anyone have any good sources discussing use of nattokinase in capsule form?
Thanks.

Re: nattokinase

[(Anonymous)]

I'd start with Dr. Peter McCullough. He was one of the first doctors to mention it, and he has a company, The Wellness Company, that sells it (with other ingredients) in "Spike Detox" I think it's called.

But first, a word from your moderator

[ecosophia]

Two things. First, I appreciate all the thanks that have been sent my way in this and previous comment threads. I'm glad this forum is being helpful to people!

Second, once again I've had a small flurry of people trying to post comments about subjects completely unrelated to Covid and the terminal crisis of the medical/pharma system that the Covid fiasco exemplifies. Of course I've deleted those comments -- I don't think any of them was an intentional attempt at pulling the forum off topic, but you never know. Still, a reminder to all: this is not a place to criticize everything about modern American (or other) society! As the weekly post says, "This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics."

Thank you, and we now return you to your regularly scheduled episode of "The Decline and Fall of the Sickness Industry"...

[(Anonymous)]

Exclusive: War Dept. Battles Internal Resistance To Reinstate 86 Soldiers Ejected By Covid Shot Mandate

https://thefederalist.com/2025/11/25/exclusive-war-dept-battles-internal-resistance-to-reinstate-86-soldiers-ejected-by-covid-shot-mandate/

they are facing a lot of resistance..

[(Anonymous)]

just saw this post:

A friend told me that the NYT just published a piece criticizing me, fearful I wouldn't recommend a lockdown if another pandemic came along. Not sure why that's a criticism. Lockdowns were the biggest public health disaster in history and it's true I won't ever recommend one!

https://xcancel.com/DrJBhattacharya/status/1994151670926987693#m

[(Anonymous)]

Well in my book, if the NYT criticizes a person he's probably doing something good.

Bioweapons

[(Anonymous)]

Peter Daszak and Anthony Fauci have been outed for their gain of function activities that resulted in the Covid "pandemic." And now they have admitted another one: Marty Makary, current head of the FDA says Lyme disease may have originated from a U.S. government bioweapons lab on Plum Island, New York. (I've suspected this was true for a while now, but then, as my family will tell you, I am a conspiracy theorist)

I live in Suburban Virginia and we have a lot of woods and a lot of deer. Every family in the neighborhood has had an experience with Lyme disease. One neighbor spent years getting different diagnoses, including one doctor telling her she had MS... and it turned out to be Lyme disease. Another neighbor got facial paralysis from Lyme disease that was only cured through intravenous antibiotic treatment. Doing yard work and gardening in my neighborhood requires a lot of vigilance about tick bites. Not specifically Covid, but very related since idiots keep creating bioweapons. It is days like this when I can't wait for the whole system to collapse. I don't know how else it will stop...

Re: Bioweapons

[fringewood]

Concerning Lyme, my husband got it not long after we moved to a 20acre mostly wooded property in the NE U.S. He researched it heavily and came to the same conclusion re Plum Island. Thanks to Stephen Buhner's protocol and the large supply of Japanese Knotweed growing everywhere, my husband only had one really bad year and now when we get a tick bite, we remove the tick, put a drop of oregano oil on the bite and take homeopathic ledum. No more Lyme. Interestingly, the Japanese Knotweed invasion seems to follow the spread of Lyme.

Thank you

[(Anonymous)]

Week 223

Dear JMG and dear forumistas, thank you.

Last week BoysMom opened an important thread on the challenges of joining groups that could include people who, as I think of it, "drank the Kool-Aid."
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/350442.html?thread=58239210#cmt58239210

Seems it's easy to fall into binary thinking on this one. Certainly that has been true for me. After reading the comments last week, Viktor Schauberger popped up in my mind. (Anyone who doesn't know Schauberger's work, more info here: https://pks.or.at/en/ ) I took this as an inspiration to start thinking about ways of inducing more fluid, spiralling patterns in my habits, including habits of communication and socializing.

I'm also trying to think a couple years out, 5 years out, a decade out, and 2 decades out. How will I be likely to feel about my decisions in dealing with people at these various points in the future? Will I be glad to have cut ties? Or regret being stand-offish?

The enormity of what happpened, and is still happening, still stuns me. Every day.

I hope those same commenters and others will continue this thread.

Cetiosaurus

Re: Thank you

[(Anonymous)]

There is much good food for thought in your comments, Cetiosaurus. Covid truly was/is an opportunity to reflect and reevaluate.

I love the “spiral” image, and the usefulness for both the present moment and the future in thinking long term. 🙏

Flexibility, broadly speaking, seems more important to me than it did a few years ago.

Valerie

They are stil playing with the GoF

[the_arcane_archivist]

They are stil playing with the GoF:
https://xcancel.com/ryangrim/status/1994449228010070520#m

Suicidal that we are still allowing and even celebrating this gain of function research

[(Anonymous)]

In my neck of the woods, we've been getting hit with a round of colds that seem to linger. I had my bout at the end of October, and though I only missed two days of work, I'm still having to be careful with my exercise routine. Any little bit of over-exertion kicks off another round of pain in my sinuses - one of the first signs of a cold, for me.

My brother in law, meanwhile, has had maybe one week of good health in November; the rest of the time he's been wrestling with the cold. He's vaxxed, I'm not, so.... who knows.

Meanwhile, we've been getting hit with a pretty good wave of black oobleck. Depression, sickness, a spike in crime, many local deaths. I hope it's not going to be like this all winter.

-Cliff

[(Anonymous)]

FDA Chief Medical Officer Demands ‘Introspection’ By Staff After Report Tracing 10 Children’s Deaths To COVID Vaccine

https://dailycaller.com/2025/11/29/food-drug-administration-vinay-prasad-demands-introspection-staff-email-report-10-children-deaths-covid-vaccine/

..'introspection'..?
seriously..?

Will the world change?

[(Anonymous)]

So the FDA has now admitted that the Covid vaccine killed children. They are admitting to 10 killed; we know there are many more. Do you think that this will change things? Looking for some hope here.... my daughter and her husband are all in on vaccinations of all types. His mother is a nurse and she is the truest of true believers, to the point of signing herself up to participate in the Pfizer Covid vaccine trials when the whole thing started.
My son-in-law bragged proudly a few weeks ago that my 2 and 4 year old grandchildren just got vaccines and that they "didn't even cry." I said, oh, what vaccines? Covid and the flu.
I changed the subject, since I like seeing my grandchildren and anything negative about vaccines is verboten. I have said everything I can say to them already and I think if I say anymore, they may be like that pregnant idiot on social media who downed a bunch of Tylenol because Trump said not to...
So -- how does anyone think this will play out with the true believers? Will the whole Zeitgeist change so that people like my daughter and son-in-law think before vaccinating? Neither of them is stupid, they are just very bought in.
I am afraid that if things don't change in the next few years, next election cycle, Trump will be out and big pharma will take over again. Note, I am not saying that Trump is not under the thumb of big pharma; I am pretty sure he is. But during the Biden administration, Biden wasn't under their thumb, he was senile, and a crook, and big pharma was running the country. It seems a little better now. But it is important that the true believers get a wake up call, and that hasn't happened in my family.

[(Anonymous)]

EXPOSED: US Labs Breeding Deadly Foreign Ticks in Bid for mRNA Vaccines

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/11/exposed-us-labs-breeding-deadly-foreign-ticks-bid/

seems less than ideal..

[ecosophia]

"Less than ideal."

Just when I thought deadpan humor was a lost art... ;-)