Frugal Friday
Sep. 19th, 2025 10:12 am
Welcome back to Frugal Friday! This is a weekly forum post to encourage people to share tips on saving money, especially but not only by doing stuff yourself. A new post will be going up every Friday, and will remain active until the next one goes up. Contributions will be moderated, of course, and I have some simple rules to offer, which may change further as we proceed.Rule #1: this is a place for polite, friendly conversations about how to save money in difficult times. It's not a place to post news, views, rants, or emotional outbursts about the reasons why the times are difficult and saving money is necessary. Nor is it a place to use a money saving tip to smuggle in news, views, etc. I have a delete button and I'm not afraid to use it.
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Insulating old double-hung windows?
Date: 2025-09-19 02:46 pm (UTC)Aside from caulking spaces around the trim, putting up storms in the winter months, or hanging heavy curtains in the winter is there anything I can do to cut down on heat escaping through them? Everyone I talk to around here just tells me to replace them, but I love the look and operation of the original windows and HATE vinyl and would hate to see the original materials in my 98-year-old house go to waste.
Are there any retrofits folks have done? Can you replace the panes with that gas-filled glass advertised by the window manufacturers.
Re: Insulating old double-hung windows?
Date: 2025-09-19 04:58 pm (UTC)Here's some of his videos on actually restoring windows (https://www.youtube.com/@BrentHull/search?query=restore%20windows); I don't remember which of them I've watched so can't recommend any specific ones to check out.
Re: Insulating old double-hung windows?
Date: 2025-09-19 05:24 pm (UTC)That is, you need to reputty and apply glaziers' points to ALL the panes of glass, you need to caulk the trim thoroughly, you need storm windows (make sure they're trued up and correctly closed!), AND you need heavy, insulated drapes and layered window treatments that you faithfully open and close with the sun.
When you set up your window treatments, remember your stackback.
Stackback is the draperies in the closed position. All that fabric occupies a lot of space. The goal is to have your drapes mounted so that the stackback, when the drapes are fully open, just covers the merest edge of the window's glass. Thus, the stackback fully covers the sills and extends over and onto the wall. This is extra insulation, whether the drapes are open or closed.
There are no good solutions to insulating windows because they are holes in the wall. That's why they're measured in U-values, not R-values. If you saw the R-value of a window, even a fancy, triple-pane glass one, you'd be horrified.
Don't rip out your old windows. You can repair them, reglaze them, repaint them, and they'll last the length of your house.
One of the dirty secrets of the replacement window industry is that replacement windows MUST BE REPLACED after 20 years or so! The seals between the double-pane glass fail. They always fail. And then you're back to leaky, single-pane glass.
Stick with new glaziers' points, new putty, caulking, storm windows, and heavy, insulated, floor-to-ceiling drapes.
Re: Insulating old double-hung windows?
Date: 2025-09-19 07:05 pm (UTC)Atmospheric RIver
Re: Insulating old double-hung windows?
Date: 2025-09-22 05:36 pm (UTC)Caldathras
Re: Insulating old double-hung windows?
Date: 2025-09-19 07:58 pm (UTC)Re: Insulating old double-hung windows?
Date: 2025-09-19 05:55 pm (UTC)The valances would need to be closed on the top. They act as a stop for natural convection and greatly reduce heat transfer. The Window film also reduces heat transfer. You can get film in variety of different colors from clear to near black and patterns like rice paper to stained glass designs. If you're also interested in reducing heat gain in the summer then a reflective tint is you're best bet.
Re: Insulating old double-hung windows?
Date: 2025-09-19 06:30 pm (UTC)They're not elegant, and you'll need to remove and store them come spring, but they are a very big bang for your buck.
*Ochre Harebrained Curmudgeon*
Re: Insulating old double-hung windows?
Date: 2025-09-19 06:34 pm (UTC)I used to own a 1920's house with those type of windows, and those types of windows do have lead paint and I had children, and many panes of glass had cracks and such, so I decided to replace the operable ones, and kept the ones in the living room to keep the look. I did not replace with vinyl ! I have never installed vinyl windows. I replace the window sash, so the part that move, the glass part withe the frame around it. I used Marvin ( a major window brand) Tilt Pack product, which was made for replacements like this. The replacement sashes were wood, inside and out, but did not use the weight system, so they had rails installed on the inside of the window frame that the new sashes used to go up and down. Those rails were some type of plastic, but were very unabtrusive. You can just cut the rope for the current weights, let the weights stay in the wall cavity, make a small hole, and spray foam into the cavity. Although I did not do this, some of my cavities got regular insulation as I replaced some interior window trim to get rid of lead paint. ANd those DIY spray foam products did not exist then. Marvin discontinued the Tilt Pack replacements 4 or 5 years ago, I bought a couple 5 years ago for one room here in this house after the fire. YOu can go to a Marvin or other window sales room and ask what products can be used if you want to go that route. Or, you can have sash made, although that might be pricey, it would keep the look. In my area, the Marvin sales store also does custom millwork like that.
My current house I bought Marvin replacement windows, wood, double hung ( like your old fashioned windows) but I chose to have the outside metal clad. SO I have never had to paint the outside of the window sash and frame and they also are not flammable for embers on the outside. Inside I have never even put any product on the wood, it is just naturally aged Doug Fir for 27 years. But, you can buy them painted with a paint primer so then you can paint with your favorite color to keep the old house vibe of painted wood on the inside. I just bought one for the hallway a few months ago, the outside and inside finish matches my 27 year old ones, but they have shange the way they latch. They used to latch with a latch just like you have now in your old house, now it look the same but has a different latch that is hidden to make the air infiltration even better. The windows in the bedrooms, north side, are double pane, argon(gas) filled, low E2 coated. The new window I ordered for th main room west side is low E 1, so lets in sun heat from outside and resists losing heat from inside. All my south glass is double pane clear glass, so no coating or argon. I guess I could have done those low E 1, but I didnt think about it at that time. My roofer and skylight installer says he has seen the low E coating fail. He thinks it would be best to just use clear glass without the coatings. It is true that the coating are not enough, you need to have air sealing around the frames and have good curtaining anyways. SO, that is a good point, why pay for it when you have to do the other things anyways ? My living room skylight with low E in the summer let in so much heat, you have to move away from where the sunlight is hitting. So, low E was not worth it as I still have to physically do work to make things comfortable ( ie, I need to have shades there). I will say that the modern double hung windows, at least the MArvin ones I have experience with, are much better sealed than old windows. They way the window sashes connect together and with the rame, built in features that work better than foam insulation strips they sell at the hardware store ( but do go buy some of that for your old windows! )
Atmospheric River
Re: Insulating old double-hung windows?
Date: 2025-09-19 06:51 pm (UTC)atmospheric River
Re: Insulating old double-hung windows?
Date: 2025-09-19 07:19 pm (UTC)Atmospheric RIver
Re: Insulating old double-hung windows?
Date: 2025-09-19 09:11 pm (UTC)Cheers all!
Re: Insulating old double-hung windows?
Date: 2025-09-21 09:10 pm (UTC)Hope this is useful,
Sapienter si sincere
Re: Insulating old double-hung windows?
Date: 2025-09-24 03:32 pm (UTC)You can even layer it for more insulation. I found this tip years ago on BuildItSolar. Do note that this will reduce heat coming in as well.
If you do like the view, interior storms are a thing. The easiest is of course the heat shrink films sold at hardware stores, but that is single use. You can do something similar with thicker plastic and Velcro tape-- but it won't heat shrink, so is more visible, and the Velcro isn't pretty. The thick plastic with Velcro tape can store for future years, while the other side of the Velcro stays on the wall. It stores easier than an actual interior storms window would.
I can see no reason not to put up bubble wrap and then Velcro plastic up over that, too. I'm not sure why I have not tried.
Padded Shutters
Date: 2025-09-19 04:55 pm (UTC)The shutters do not have to be solid wood, they can be the slatted louvered kind. The padding does not have to be permanently attached to the shutters. You can hang a kind of homemade pillow-pad on each shutter. It does not have to be foam rubber: you can stuff a cloth sack with light weight stuff like plastic grocery bags, produce bags, dry cleaning bags, etc. Maybe even crumpled up newspaper if that’s all you got. The shutter-padding should be just thick enough to fill the window opening.
If you use a nice fabric that matches your interior décor, you can leave the padded shutters open during the day and only close them at night or whenever the weather is especially cold in the day.
If your humidity is high in winter, you will probably want to make two sets of pillows to alternate so one set can dry out when the other is in use—this to prevent mold from starting up between the pillows and the glass. Or maybe two sets of waxed canvas slipcovers without padding would work. Just remember to flip the covers every other day so the damp side comes back into the room to dry and the driest side always sits next to the window.
If shutters do not suit, you could use one of those spring-loaded rolling shades or a less techy Roman shade and clothespin a large piece of bubble wrap on the side that faces the window glass. This, plus curtains and a valence could slow down heat loss pretty well.
Slings, crutches, and other supportive tools.
Date: 2025-09-19 05:30 pm (UTC)Why?
Because when you sprain your ankle, you need a pair of crutches RIGHT NOW.
We had this happen some years back. Dear Daughter sprained her ankle but good and couldn't walk.
Did we have crutches on hand? We did not.
I raced across the street to the drug store and to my great joy, our neighbor was stopped at the traffic light and asked me what I was doing.
She lent me the crutches they had stashed in their attic from their daughter's sprained ankle.
Later, after we returned the no-longer-needed borrowed crutches, I redeemed various coupons and got a heavily discounted set of adjustable ones. They're in the closet now. I've got a sling, too, and other braces and support garments.
There are all kinds of things that when you need one, you need it RIGHT NOW.
What would you recommend?
Re: Slings, crutches, and other supportive tools. -- here are some other things it is good to have
Date: 2025-09-19 06:04 pm (UTC)You are so right about crutches and arm slings. Another good thing to have on hand are Hydrocolloid Bandages. These are bandages that you can use on burns and blisters so that they will not get infected. I prefer these to antibiotic ointments. And of course bandages, gauze, and Bandaids.
Jean
Re: Slings, crutches, and other supportive tools.
Date: 2025-09-19 06:13 pm (UTC)The other big one for me is sterile gauze, providone-iodine, and medipore tape. They allow you to make any size sterile dressing. If you're extra accident prone it's also a good idea to have medical adhesive remover.
Re: Slings, crutches, and other supportive tools.
Date: 2025-09-19 06:17 pm (UTC)Re: Slings, crutches, and other supportive tools.
Date: 2025-09-19 06:27 pm (UTC)I did learn our local church has a community lending library of crutches, wheelchairs and those scooters for people with leg issues, church membership not required.
Re: Slings, crutches, and other supportive tools.
Date: 2025-09-19 06:34 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2025-09-19 05:33 pm (UTC)We had full-size window screens for the summer and full-size storm windows for the winter, and went up on a tall ladder twice a year to exchange the one for the other on the second floor windows. (A shorter ladder worked for the first floor windows.) The full-sized screens and storm windows hooked on to the house at the top, and were fastened from the inside at the bottom. My job was to hook the bottom hooks from the inside once the new screen or storm window was in place.
None of this double-sash air exchange worked once combination screen and glass assemblies were permanently mounted on the outside of houses. What a loss! But by that time we had returned to my parents' ancestral home in Berkeley, CA, where the climate was much easier to take (way back then).
double hung windows
Date: 2025-09-19 06:46 pm (UTC)Atmospheric RIver
Recipes by Weight
Date: 2025-09-19 06:42 pm (UTC)Loaf of Bread
water 180g
yeast 3g
sugar 9g
flour 300g
salt 6g
9 Biscuits
flour 345g
baking powder 15g
salt 6g
half and half 250g
butter 115g
Re: Recipes by Weight
Date: 2025-09-20 12:59 am (UTC)I agree with you 100% - the results are much more consistent when you use a scale, but... I went in the opposite direction.😆 Started with measuring everything. 🧐The loaves were consistent, but my bread-baking activity was sporadic. Then I switched to just eyeballing everything, mixing it up, leaving overnight, and baking in the morning. It's so easy that I've stopped buying bread. The results vary a bit, but I'm not selling my bread, and it always tastes delicious to me. 🍞
I will try your biscuits. I can smell them in my mind - heavenly! 😊
Inna
Pests
Date: 2025-09-20 06:31 pm (UTC)For people that keep a garden or a vegetable patch.
Other than neem. What other non-chemical methods do you use to keep away pests?
Are there plant combinations that help with them? I was wondering if perhaps the combinations of certain plants would, for example, and I am making this up, certain flowers that would attract spiders and them would eat the little worms on tomatoes or the likes.
Re: Pests
Date: 2025-09-20 11:12 pm (UTC)Atmospheric RIver
Re: Pests
Date: 2025-09-21 06:19 am (UTC)That makes a lot of sense! The healthier and more diverse the garden and soil, the more the life energies will flow vibrantly and will prevent pests.
The reason why I ask is also because I have a patch of indigenous red maize that was just attacked by a kind of slug. I manually removed and squash them, and seem to be gone now but it got me wondering. A milpa is a mix of corn, beans and squashes or pumpkins and the mix itself seems to deter large animals. The bean stalk wraps around the plant, protecting the maize itself and the pumpkin sprawls and makes it hard for larger animals to get close. But bugs... they move with the wind and in three days can munch on a significant portion of the corn leaves. Had I not noticed, they would be gone by now.
I will keep observing and keep good soil. Your comment also made me think that aromatic plants close by could help too. Someone told me as well that a mix of onion, garlic and jalapeño or serrano works well, diluted in water, sprayed on the leaves.
Re: Pests
Date: 2025-09-22 11:19 am (UTC)Also, I've learned with some fruits, getting them off the ground even a little keeps bugs from munching on them. We did eggplant this year, which tend to get heavy and rest on the ground. I put a paver brick under them if they started touching the ground and that worked.
Re: Pests
Date: 2025-09-21 01:04 am (UTC)Re: Pests
Date: 2025-09-21 06:05 am (UTC)Re: Pests
Date: 2025-09-21 02:20 pm (UTC)Re: Pests
Date: 2025-09-22 08:27 pm (UTC)Spiders love Rocks
Date: 2025-09-21 03:00 am (UTC)Spiders also seem to love arborvitaes. I think anywhere they can hide from birds and still get smaller bugs is prime real estate.
Re: Pests
Date: 2025-09-21 03:31 am (UTC)Yes, the term that will get you answers is "companion planting".
Off the top of my head, a couple of the well-known practices are: planting nasturtiums and marigolds among vegetables is meant to encourage predators of pests, and tomatoes and basil are meant to foster each other's growth when planted in proximity.
- iridescent scintillating elver
Re: Pests
Date: 2025-09-21 04:05 am (UTC)Inna
Re: Pests
Date: 2025-09-21 04:43 am (UTC)My tomatoes do quite well with marigolds beside them.
BoysMom
Re: Pests
Date: 2025-09-21 10:39 am (UTC)I second giving attention to soil health, from which all good things come. I've not found much truth to companion planting combinations and would simply encourage you to interplant mixes of veg, flowers and herbs together, making sure your veg still gets plenty of sun. Look at French 'Potager' style gardens for inspiration.
Plant seed giving flowers to attract birds and have a deadwood pile to attract beetles.
I use cold soapy water sprayed onto leaves to remove sap suckers like aphids and keep on top of catapillers by manually squishing them every few days.
Re: Pests
Date: 2025-09-21 12:01 pm (UTC)I use diatomaceous earth if things get really bad. I had bugs very bad this season on my tomatoes and sprinkled it on the ground. Took care of the problem in 2 days. Of course, you don't want that in your lungs or eyes so while it is non-chemical, this is one place to consider using a little blue face mask and being extra careful. The rain will wash it off but I don't put it directly on the tomatoes, just the ground and low stems since my bugs were crawlers.
For next year, I am going to get one of those one gallon chemical sprayers and load it up with hot pepper infused water to see if that allows better and more frequent applications. Spray bottles are too small for my garden and when I sprinkle pepper around it seems to work but I don't get an even application...and if it rains, I need to reapply. Maybe I should add some marigolds, too now that I think of it.
Re: Pests
Date: 2025-09-24 03:26 pm (UTC)Other than that, we've had pretty great results with (and you're not going to like this) planting things that attract wasps. We didn't start that intentionally. But we noticed it-- obviously planting those things by the front door of the house was a mistake. But the next year, more strategic placement, dang. So: plants we've had, that attract wasps: passionflower vine, asparagus beans, and thai soldier long beans. They make little moisture-secreting nodules, probably some pheromone thing, and the wasps (and ants) go nuts over them. Must smell like meat or something.
The thing about wasps is, most of them are not aggressive. The only times I've ever been stung have been when I accidentally stepped on, or grabbed one while weeding. You can hardly blame them. The rest of the time, they're just buzzing around doing their thing. And their thing is patrolling the garden looking for bugs to kidnap, haul back to their nest, and stuff inside an egg cell to feed their babies. They are amazingly good at this-- really dedicated hunters. So if they're patrolling your garden, you've got fewer pests.
How to keep bamboo from splitting as it dries
Date: 2025-09-21 12:48 am (UTC)The elegant solution, I think, is to chuck (!) the 1/2" rod into my lathe (!), and drill a 0.201" hole into the end. Then I tapped 1/4"-20 threads into the hole. Now I can force the 1/4" rod 5' into the bamboo, twist the 1/2" rod onto the end of it, and push it in another 6 feet (from both ends). The 1/2" rod expands holes made by the 1/4" rod. I can now blow air through the bamboo, and I'll know in a year or so whether this really prevents splitting.
(Bamboo poles can also help keep your laundry line from sagging, and give your pole-beans something to climb on.)
Lathechuck
Re: How to keep bamboo from splitting as it dries
Date: 2025-09-21 02:48 pm (UTC)Always be aware of your surroundings
Date: 2025-09-21 08:29 pm (UTC)Needs a bit of TLC, but otherwise in good shape.
I grew up with one, but that went to my sister. Learned how to use it, such that when wife got a spinning wheel, I could make it spin, while wife struggled with it.
Re: Always be aware of your surroundings
Date: 2025-09-22 04:02 am (UTC)I would recommend upgrading to a rubber treadle belt; they're far superior to the leather style. Iron Lady Sewing (https://www.etsy.com/shop/ironladysewing) sells an Amish style rubber treadle belt for $14.50.
Re: Always be aware of your surroundings
Date: 2025-09-26 02:08 am (UTC)As for parts, we aren't quite there yet, but I've added your link to the stash as we continue diving in, though if possible will try to source on our side of the border given all those issues of late.