Frugal Friday
Aug. 22nd, 2025 08:43 am
Welcome back to Frugal Friday! This is a weekly forum post to encourage people to share tips on saving money, especially but not only by doing stuff yourself. A new post will be going up every Friday, and will remain active until the next one goes up. Contributions will be moderated, of course, and I have some simple rules to offer, which may change further as we proceed.Rule #1: this is a place for polite, friendly conversations about how to save money in difficult times. It's not a place to post news, views, rants, or emotional outbursts about the reasons why the times are difficult and saving money is necessary. Nor is it a place to use a money saving tip to smuggle in news, views, etc. I have a delete button and I'm not afraid to use it.
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Back to School Sales
Date: 2025-08-22 05:08 pm (UTC)Chestnuts
Date: 2025-08-22 09:12 pm (UTC)Re: Chestnuts
Date: 2025-08-23 08:53 pm (UTC)I have grown hybrids from Badgerset that have done very well in Virginia piedmont zone and also have one tree of unknown origin (it was here when I moved in). Unfortunately Bedgerset the company had challenges and is no longer operating but looks like they might be available at the link below. They were sold out for 2024 but I assume they still have access to the source.
https://store.experimentalfarmnetwork.org/products/badgersett-chestnut-seeds?_pos=7&_sid=c7fa62212&_ss=r
Re: Chestnuts
Date: 2025-08-23 08:55 pm (UTC)Re: Chestnuts
Date: 2025-08-24 12:36 am (UTC)Re: Chestnuts
Date: 2025-08-23 11:52 pm (UTC)atmospheric River
What is local shopping?
Date: 2025-08-22 11:11 pm (UTC)To me, it's shopping at the stores in your community that are as close to my house as I can get.
They may be chain stores! If I can get what I need at the supermarket in town, that's within 10 minutes of my house, then that's local.
I normally get my groceries at Giant. They're a regional chain based in Carlisle, PA, across the river. There are two Giants that are feasable.
The first is in Hershey, within 2 miles of my house. It's smaller, older, and does not have gas pumps. I go there.
The second is about 10 miles away. It's much larger, has a larger selection of goods, and it has gas pumps for when I redeem my gas points for discount gas. I ONLY shop at this Giant when I need to fill my car's gas tank.
This Giant is NOT local. It is more local than driving across the river to the Wegmans, which some people around here do.
Local means knowing what is available within a chosen radius such as five miles (or a 10 mile diameter circle) and sticking to it. Your radius may be larger than mine, depending on where you live.
What is local to you?
Re: What is local shopping?
Date: 2025-08-23 03:14 pm (UTC)Around here the "Buy Local First" campaign was promoted by some of the organizers of the largest local farmers market (all the local FMs are out of my 2-3 mile radius unfortunately) and it included a challenge to source all of your food from with in a 150-200mile radius. This was something of a fun exercise and I was able to do quite well and source just about all my food within that area. I have noticed that my favorite grocery store(a local, family run chain) uses flour from a local flour mill for their bread, but I don't know where the wheat comes from. A lot of it could be local as hard red wheat is grown around here, but to get enough, they may go out of state.
It is a fun challenge to try and "Buy Local First" just wish it could also be applied to clothing and fabric.
Re: What is local shopping?
Date: 2025-08-23 08:54 pm (UTC)Everything else is far, so we try to wait until we have a long list, and then stock up when we do go.
On the question of local...
We try to run the logic on where the money goes, after it leaves our hands. There's a hierarchy. If we order it from Big Muddy River or other internet conglomerate, the only local person getting paid from that is the delivery driver. If it's Mart of Walls, most of the money is going to corporate in Arkansas, and probably to causes we would not like, if we knew about them. But compared to online, more of the money is going to the store employees, local taxes, etc. So it's marginally better and if we can get the same thing at WM we get it there rather than online. Quality is a problem though. Posh regional chain grocery is one better.
Top of the list are the local thrift shops. Not for grocery obviously, but for everything else: that's most of our clothes and housewares. Pretty close to ALL money spent there, stays in the area (we are not talking about Goodwill here, but rather local church-run charities). We also make forays into local estate sales, yard sales, and junk shops, and I'd rate those very similar on the "where does the money go" with the exception that, I know the pro estate sale companies get a lot of the money from those. It is what it is. Still rates better than giving the same money to MallWart for a lower-quality (shovel, mixing bowl, ironing board, sweater). The secondhand market in all forms also avoids the nasty problems of buying from corporations that are actively working against the interests of your family, community, and humanity.
One thing we have been meaning to investigate, but haven't yet, is the very large local weekend flea market.
Re: What is local shopping?
Date: 2025-08-23 11:36 pm (UTC)BTW, $Tree sells plastic sheets in their housewares department, possibly intended for cutting surfaces, which make good sewing and quilting templates.
What I can't grow myself or find at a farmer's market I mostly buy at Aldis because it is clean, well organized stores and, again, local from the neighborhood hiring. Also, Aldis is in walking distance. I don't like carrying bags of groceries on and off buses. There is also a locally managed discount grocery which is fun to browse through from time to time for the odd item I would not normally be able to afford.
Re: What is local shopping?
Date: 2025-08-23 09:27 pm (UTC)SO the first 2 towns I might "run into" for unschedualled needs. But mostly I combine trips and as I am presently going to weekly accupuncture I try and plan ahead and run all needed errands at once.
Atmospheric River
Re: What is local shopping?
Date: 2025-08-23 10:36 pm (UTC)My closest and main store is a good coop (organic produce!), and right next to it is a large Middle Eastern market that has good meats and cheeses. A little further away is a Korean grocery (seaweed! and kimchi!) and an Indian market (yogurt, bitter melon, spices), plus some Mexican markets. Fortunately none of those are big chain stores.
There are problems with Minneapolis but availability of good food locally isn't one of them.
Re: What is local shopping?
Date: 2025-08-24 03:04 pm (UTC)For food we raise our own steers, meat chickens, egg chickens, and, occasionally, sheep. We feed the cows and sheep hay that I buy by the 1000lb round bale from a former local dairy farmer and supplement them with rolled grain that we buy from another former local dairy farmer by the 1500lb tote. The chickens we free range, feed our own kitchen scraps, and feed whole grains we buy in the same large totes from the grain guy.
We have a large garden but haven't been able to keep up this year so we have been getting a farmshare from a local organic veggie farm. We also have several dozen very old fruit trees from the original homestead that was on the site of our house. From those we take cherries, apples, pears, plums, crabapples, and quince as well as we pick blackberries from our thicket of "invasive" Himalayan blackberry bushes. We also get sour cherries and apples from the other section of the old orchard that is on a neighbor's property.
For other fruit we go to a local you pick and pick it ourselves. My wife and I over the course of this summer with our kids in tow a couple of times put about 150lbs of strawberries, raspberries, and blueberries for the winter.
For dairy we buy milk 11 gallons at a time on a punchcard from our local raw milk dairy and we buy vanilla ice cream from them in those big tubs that you'd get served out of at a shop (the ice cream comes from a different creamery in another county). We also get calves from them.
For grain that we consume we buy some whole wheat flour from a farm and mill that in the town down the road about 15 miles away. We buy it in bulk and have to go pick it up a couple times a year.
I try to combine trips to pick up the grain with picking up loads of offcuts from a guy running a small sawmill in that same area. We use the offcuts for firewood which is our primary winter heat source.
To fill in the gaps for other food items we have a couple sources. We order from Azure Standard (not local) and pick up the delivery in town every couple of months. We also pass through the regionally owned and longtime local outlet country grocery. I will occasionally buy vegetables there and always peruse their section of produce that they are selling at reduced price. Other gaps we fill in with Costco, mostly for a handful of bulk items that are much cheaper there such as coffee, rice, sugar, and white flour.
For building supplies I tend to get lumber from the local lumber yard down the road which stocks supplies that are far higher quality than Home Depot, our only other "local" lumber option. Auto and machine parts I get from a local store that's been around for ever, with better service and a better selection than any of the chain stores. For other building supplies or repair supplies it often ends up being Home Depot because there either aren't other options or the local places have prices that are 3x what they are in Home Depot, often for the same item.
The stuff category, which is pretty small for us, we often end up getting from the lazy river. I'd much prefer that weren't the case but it is what it is. Out here we either can't get the item were looking for or we can but we'd just be buying it at Walmart anyway.
HV
Re: What is local shopping?
Date: 2025-08-24 03:26 pm (UTC)One bit of irony that's come out of my trip to New York City this weekend -- I'm in Penn Station right now, waiting for the train home -- is that it's extremely easy to shop locally in a really big city. My walks through the city took me through the Union Square Market, one of the biggest farmers markets I've ever seen, which is bursting at the seams with produce from farms close to the city. Little groceries are everywhere, and many of them have fresh produce from local farms and other products from local firms. I take a certain wry amusement in the fact that this vast and crowded city is also utterly walkable, convenient for low-tech lifestyles, and packed with local products and services!
Re: What is local shopping?
Date: 2025-08-24 04:53 pm (UTC)If I want to keep my shopping within a 3 mile radius, on MY schedule, I limit myself.
Of our four "farmer's markets," one is Thursday afternoon only and out of my way.
The second is Saturday morning only at Chocolate Town square and is mostly craft vendors and so forth.
The third is in the downtown Fresh Market, on Friday and Saturday only, and it's mostly high-end artisanal food stuffs and crafts, with some produce.
The fourth is seven days a week, on the way home from Giant, and whoever owns it jobs their produce from a wide area. You can't tell me that their bananas are grown locally in central PA. Good peaches, apples, cantaloupe, corn, and tomatoes, though! But I don't know how local their growers really are.
Re: What is local shopping?
Date: 2025-08-24 05:49 pm (UTC)We do events on Saturday. Prep starts Friday. Recovery is Sunday or even Monday.
Thus, I do the bulk of my errands on Wednesday.
Re: What is local shopping?
Date: 2025-08-24 04:15 pm (UTC)Re: What is local shopping?
Date: 2025-08-24 10:37 pm (UTC)Atmospheric River
(no subject)
Date: 2025-08-24 05:55 pm (UTC)In 2021, I decided not to receive an untested medication that everyone around me did decide to take in our blue area. I found myself barred from entering locally owned businesses. The owners of many businesses happily went on the record in the local news to berate people like me. Just a few months ago, in 2025!, someone recommended a locally owned ice cream that grew their own fruit and in looking at their website to find out their flavors they proudly stated on their About page that they believed people like me (who believe in not taking certain medications) should literally k*ll ourselves. An ice cream company!
So I now find buying local to be a bit of a minefield. No amount of forgiveness (or quality ingredients) will make me feel ok giving money to a company that proudly hates me or feels the need to constantly tell me what I should believe.
So I find that whenever I go to buy something, I check out their website and if there's too many political virtue signals, either direction mind you, I pass. I've been rebuilding what buying local is and who I go to. I wish politics could stay out of it and we could just do transactions based on our shared commitment to local economy.
I used to believe local would save us, now, for me, it's not true. I don't love the big companies but I feel no shame in buying from them, like I used to, since I can't trust some of the people around me even to this day. It's been a constant source of sadness over the last four years to pull back from farmers and merchants one by one but I can't value local for the sake of local when it's gone that extreme.
(no subject)
Date: 2025-08-25 12:45 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2025-08-25 07:12 pm (UTC)They're making it very clear that they don't want your money.
So don't give it to them.
I can't understand this mindset.
Why do you want to drive away customers, especially loyal ones?
(no subject)
Date: 2025-08-28 04:09 am (UTC)I heard a lot about the importance of buying local, and from local bookshops, back when the Borders and Barnes & Noble mega chains became the big thing, and of course, amazon. But I am sorry to say that at that time, in the city where I was living, the locally owned bookshop was not worthy of my business. I don't want to get into the ugly details; suffice to say, I didn't need to reach for my Kleenex box when they got crushed to itty gooey grey whiney bits by those chains and by amazon.
Same story with some of my previously beloved local restaurants after Jab Crow. The memories of their management's idiotic self-important virtue signaling and their demanding vaxx docs to dine in wrecks my appetite. I won't set foot in them again.
All things equal, I do prefer to give my business to local family-owned businesses. I salute entreprenurial spirit and local tax revenue!! However the cultures of individual families vary, as they always have and no doubt always will. Some business families— like some individuals who happen to be proprietors of businesses— are great, upstanding, hardworking people, but some turn out to be slovely fraudsters and on top of that, useful idiot fascists.
Right now I am fortunate to have a local family-owned hardware store that offers a reasonably good selection of items and offers excellent service. I am delighted to give them my business, and I much prefer them to the big box chainstore.
Ripening pawpaws
Date: 2025-08-22 11:18 pm (UTC)Multiplier Onions
Date: 2025-08-23 01:02 am (UTC)Re: Multiplier Onions
Date: 2025-08-24 07:19 pm (UTC)I'm not much of a fan of green onions myself. If you leave the multiplier onion patch in the ground year-round, the bulbs will eventually shrink to next to nothing in size -- even smaller than true green onions. I learned this from practical experience.
However, if you treat your multipliers like hardneck garlic and harvest the bulbs in late August, allow them to cure and plant them again in mid to late Fall (October for me), you will get a robust crop of decent-sized bulbs every year (although, not as big as a globe onion). Yes, multiplier onions will overwinter as well as hardneck garlic will. You can also plant the bulbs in early Spring if preferred.
Multiplier onions have the longest storage period I've ever seen for onions. I've had bulbs last for a year and a half (or more) in storage. However, they don't usually last that long for me because they have to be the tastiest onions I've ever had. They have a flavor a lot like shallots. I generally cannot stand raw onion, but multipliers aren't so bad.
Caldathras
Re: Multiplier Onions
Date: 2025-08-25 12:02 am (UTC)Canning but . . .
Date: 2025-08-23 05:13 am (UTC)(I could have taught her on something else, but this child loves katsup and she was focused and paying attention.)
Of course, home made katsup has far less sugar than boughten, so it might be more frugal on the health end of matters. Though the overall price is probably about $2.50/16oz jar, plus about an hour of labor per jar (teaching a ten year old is not a very efficient way to do anything, after all).
BoysMom
Re: Canning but . . .
Date: 2025-08-23 03:44 pm (UTC)Tomato Katchup (this is how the authors spell it)
Enough ripe, meaty tomatoes, cut up and cooked to make 4qts of cooked tomatoes. I use what ever the garden provides.
Add 1 1/2 cups chopped onion, 1/2 cup of sweet red pepper, 1/2 cup chopped celery, 2 cloves minced garlic, 2T of salt and 2 cups of vinegar. You can combine this step with the first one if you like. Different types of vinegar give different flavors, choose your favorite.
Bring this all to a boil and when all the vegetables are soft, run them through your strainer to just get the pulp.
While that is going on make a packet of spices in a metal tea ball or loose woven cloth of:
1T mustard seed
1T whole allspice
1 stick cinnamon (about two inches broken up)
1T whole black pepper
1 bay leaf
1t whole cloves (I don't like clove, so don't use it. Your tastes may vary)
2T coriander seeds
1/4t celery seed
1/4t hot red pepper flakes (if you like)
Once you have made your bundle of spices add it to the tomato pulp and then add 1/4 c granulated sugar and
1/2c dark brown sugar. Cook down until it starts to thicken. Taste to see if there is enough salt and/or sugar for your palate and if the spices are strong enough for you. Add more salt or sugar if you need to and continue to cook down with the spices if you want them stronger. You can pull them out anytime you wish at this point. Once the katchup has cooked down to your desired thickness, put it in jars to process for about 10 minutes to seal.
This recipe makes the best most richly flavored katchup in the world, far superior to store bought stuff and worth the effort.
Re: Canning but . . .
Date: 2025-08-24 05:10 pm (UTC)We just used the one off the Ball website as two of my canning cookbooks have wandered off. Again.
My family reads cookbooks for fun and planning and doesn't always put them away.
BoysMom
(no subject)
Date: 2025-08-23 06:52 pm (UTC)Cabbage Pirozhki Recipe
Date: 2025-08-23 08:14 pm (UTC)Ingredients for puff pastry:
- 2 cups of all-purpose flour
- 1 tsp of salt
- 1.25 cup of very cold butter cut into cubes
- 0.5 cup of very water
Ingredients for cabbage filling:
- 1 small head of cabbage
- 1 small bunch of fresh dill or parsley
- salt and pepper to taste
- about 2 oz of butter (don't be stingy - it's better with butter)
Additional Ingredient
- 1 small egg
Method - dough
- Sprinkle salt into the flour and give it a few swirls with a large spoon
- Add butter cubes; mix well with your hands
- Add water and form a homogenized dough
- Let it rest in a covered bowl
Method - filling
- Shred the cabbage
- Chop dill and set aside
- Blanch shredded cabbage for about 5 min and drain
- Put butter, dill, salt, and pepper into the cabbage while it's still hot and mix well
Assembly
- Roll the dough so you get a sheet a few mm thick
- Make rounds. I use a glass 4 inches in diameter
- Put approximately 2 tbsp of filling on each round
- Close the pirozhki by pinching the dough across the circumference, making half-moons
- Beat well 1 egg
- Brush egg mixture on top of your half-moons to cover the surface
Baking
- 375F
- 45 min
Your house will smell heavenly for hours!
Inna
Use for leftover pickling brine
Date: 2025-08-23 09:32 pm (UTC)Anyway, I could tell it had a good effect. SO, dont just pour it out, let it do some work for you.
Atmospheric River
Re: Use for leftover pickling brine
Date: 2025-08-28 04:11 am (UTC)temperature regulation- back of the neck
Date: 2025-08-24 12:37 am (UTC)Before bed, take a quick shower and having been cooled down with a bunch of wet hair keeps you cool enough to fall asleep ( I do have long hair)
In the winter, it works too, you wear a turtle neck or wrap a scarf around your neck, making the back of the neck warmer.
Atmospheric River
Re: temperature regulation- back of the neck
Date: 2025-08-25 04:05 am (UTC)More specifically, the two soft spots to the side of the spine in the neck are very sensitive to this and applying cold water there will wake you up and cool you down fast. This is how Sadhguru kept us awake for hours during meditation. It works!
I hadn't thought of using it for the inverse. I don't know when I will need to keep myself warm instead of cool next, but I will definitely try it then! Thank you :-)
Being blocked
Date: 2025-08-27 08:43 pm (UTC)I'm Horzabky, and I've found only this channel to contact you. I tried to post a comment this evening on Ecosophia as Horzabky (my usual handle) and I noticed that I was blocked ("A potentially unsafe operation has been detected in your request to this site")
Is this an error?
Re: Being blocked
Date: 2025-08-28 01:15 am (UTC)Pegboard
Date: 2025-08-28 04:21 am (UTC)How to Install Pegboard | Ask This Old House
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLwOGZGy-B0
I wish I'd started using pegboard sooner. Usually people use it in their garage for their tools. Julia Child famously used pegboard in her kitchen for her kitchen tools. Me, I use it for tools & such in my garage and also on the back wall of my mop and broom closet.
As I see it, pegboard has saved me both money and time.
Firstly, with pegboard, I don't need so many shelves. (Money-saving there.)
Secondly, I see what I have, so I don't buy things I already have (either because I couldn't find them or forgot that I have them).
Thirdly, I can grab things quickly, and put things back where they belong quickly as well.