Monthly JMG Book Special!
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ecosophia
As mentioned earlier, the folks at Llewellyn have obligingly given me a set of discount codes for my backlist, one per month, 20% off if you order it directly from the Llewellyn website. For the month of September, the book on sale is Atlantis: Ancient Legacy, Hidden Prophecy, my book on the Atlantis myth and the unexpected realities behind it. You can order a copy here; enter the discount code JMG0918 at checkout for the 20% off. While you're waiting for it to arrive, if you've got questions about the book, why, I'm the one to ask. ;-)
Atlantis
Date: 2018-09-05 05:22 am (UTC)I'll be ordering the book, but yes, I'll ask a few questions, thanks. First, I believe that you once posted a comment stating that you didn't think Atlantis had anything approaching a high-tech civilization as has sometimes been envisioned by folks like the author of A Dweller On Two Planets and Edgar Cayce. You added that you did believe that the people of Atlantis were very psychic, at least at some point in their history. I'm inclined to think this way myself, but I wonder - as a highly psychic culture, wouldn't it have been possible for Atlanteans to have developed a science of sorts, based on entirely different principles than our science, a completely intuitive science perhaps, and one that could have produced something like anti-gravity vimanas and the like?
Second, whether or not the Atlanteans had developed a tech-producing science, do you believe the cascading destruction of Atlantis was caused by misuse of psychic energy? Misuse of psychic energy can certainly result in powerfully destructive forces, all the more so if the population as a whole is highly psychic.
Thanks again - Will M
Re: Atlantis
Date: 2018-09-05 04:51 pm (UTC)The business about psychism, by the way, is something that saw a lot of discussion among occultists. The claim is that the Atlanteans carried out a long program of selective breeding in pursuit of a range of unusual mental powers, and that this is why the Celtic peoples of northwest Europe have such a high incidence of "the Second Sight" -- northwestern Europe is supposed to have gotten a big influx of Atlantean refugees before the final catastrophe, including members of the Sacred Clan, and their genetics ended up becoming fairly widespread among the Celtic peoples.
2) The idea that the fall of Atlantis was the result of the misuse of magical or psychic powers was introduced to the legend by H.P. Blavatsky in her books Isis Unveiled and The Secret Doctrine. It's not in Plato, the original source of the legend, nor is it in any pre-Blavatskian source. So its relevance depends on your opinion of what Blavatsky's sources were and what she was trying to do.
Re: Atlantis
Date: 2018-09-05 06:10 pm (UTC)Re: Atlantis
Date: 2018-09-07 04:28 am (UTC)Re: Atlantis
Date: 2018-09-05 08:38 pm (UTC)This does make me wonder though; my sense of Self is located at the heart. I never realized this was odd until Butler (?) pointed it out in one of his books (I think it was How to Read the Aura). Supposedly that’s a somewhat more common thing amongst people with Celtic ancestry, so it might be associated.
- Brigyn
Re: Atlantis
Date: 2018-09-07 04:29 am (UTC)Re: Atlantis
Date: 2018-09-06 12:19 am (UTC)Re: Atlantis
Date: 2018-09-07 04:30 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2018-09-05 07:01 am (UTC)Since it was published over a decade ago, any addendums or changes you’d make to it if you were to publish it today?
Yours under the briny deeps,
Brigyn
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Date: 2018-09-05 04:52 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2018-09-05 01:06 pm (UTC)If you don't mind me asking, how has your understanding of Atlantis and its myriad stories changed in the decade-plus since the book was written?
David, by the lake
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Date: 2018-09-05 04:54 pm (UTC)Evidence
Date: 2018-09-05 09:33 pm (UTC)Re: Evidence
Date: 2018-09-07 04:30 am (UTC)Atlantis
Date: 2018-09-05 11:24 pm (UTC)Norma
Re: Atlantis
Date: 2018-09-07 04:32 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2018-09-05 03:09 pm (UTC)RPC
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Date: 2018-09-05 05:04 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2018-09-27 05:17 pm (UTC)First, this helps explain your tepid response to permaculture (as opposed to Permaculture™)- while it's better for the ecosystem, it doesn't fare well in times of climate change (to say nothing of warbands with torches!).
Second, given what you wrote about Atlantic tsunamis, why Providence? I'd have thought that if all you wanted was better medical care you could have just moved up the track to Pittsburgh...
Thanks again for all you do!
RPC
Destruction of Atlantis
Date: 2018-09-05 05:40 pm (UTC)I actually bought this book when it first came out.
(1) What do you think caused the final demise of Atlantis? and
(2) was there just one atlantis or would you say that atlantis is a generic term for a whole suite of very ancient and technologically advanced civilisations?
(3) How far back would you place those very ancient civilisations?
(4) "some reason to think that aircraft not utterly different from ours were invented at some point in very ancient times, and someday when I want to lose all credibility with the rationalist end of my readers, I'll explain why" WOW I can't wait!
(5) "the Atlanteans carried out a long program of selective breeding" Any evidence for the above?
Many thanks for any comments!
Karim
Re: Destruction of Atlantis
Date: 2018-09-07 04:36 am (UTC)2) A little of both. I think the Atlantis myth centers on a specific location -- the one mentioned in my book -- but of course the broader myth draws on the wider world of Ice Age civilizations.
3) Good question. The traditional date for the fall of Atlantis, which corresponds precisely to geological data is 9600 BCE, and there would have to be at least a millennium of development before then. My guess is that there have been multiple cycles of civilization before ours, reaching back hundreds of thousands of years into the past.
4) So noted!
5) Breeding programs don't leave artifacts behind, so what we've got is simply the unusual concentration of certain psychic abilities among Celtic peoples.
Sacred Clan
Date: 2018-09-05 05:50 pm (UTC)I really enjoyed this book of yours when I read it. It's been a number of years since I read it, but the part I really remembered was about Blavatsky's legominism.
Regarding your previous comment to Will M I was curious who the Sacred Clan were? If it was in your book I apologize for not remembering -and maybe should get it to have as a reference.
Also, have you read Stephen Lawhead's "Pendragon" cycle? The first book on Taliesin had a good deal about Atlantean refugees going to the Celtic lands.
Re: Sacred Clan
Date: 2018-09-07 04:38 am (UTC)Japanese edition
Date: 2018-09-06 03:43 pm (UTC)Unfortunately, I must report that she found the book quite hard to read, and she gave up rather quickly. She said it was so dry and humorless. My suspicion is that you were saddled with a dry and humorless translator with little interest in the material. Though it's possible that your writing just doesn't resonate with my wife...
Here's hoping future, better Japanese translations happen for more of your books some day. (Yes, I'm happy to play a part some point in time if I see the opportunity; I don't at the moment.)
Re: Japanese edition
Date: 2018-09-07 04:39 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2018-09-06 11:05 pm (UTC)I read your book Atlantis a few months ago once I realized you had written one, and recently re-read a few sections. I thought it was excellent and see you were years ahead of me as usual. I think it’s held up exceedingly well in the 11 years since it was published. It was very useful to learn of Blavatski’s legominism, as I now understand that I've been exposed to these ideas for all my life, and they’ll likely always color my thoughts.
Still, regardless of her reasons for pushing that narrative I do believe there was a world-wide “advanced” civilization, and civilizations far older than conventional wisdom, as there seems to be much compelling evidence for it. How advanced I don't know, and one would not expect a duplication of all our technologies, but there are certainly things that cannot be explained.
Of late I've been considering the idea that one reason we seem not to see evidence of these civilizations is partly du to the very long time scales, and also that some civilizational collapses are so extreme that almost nothing gets through beyond a few garbled stories and some objects made of stone.
Which leads me to a recently published paper that caught my eye: post-Neolithic Y-chromosome bottleneck
This may be evidence for what looks like a dark age from hell. Or it may be a misinterpretation. Apparently geneticists have determined that male (Y chromosome) diversity plummets beginning 10,000 years ago, while female (mitochondrial) does not. This paper presents a hypothesis to explain that, namely a patrilineal, tribal social organization where warfare between competing clans results in the males of the losers being wiped out, while the females are taken and incorporated into the victor’s tribe. The time scales are interesting. I have more thoughts on the study, but this is long enough.
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Date: 2018-09-07 04:42 am (UTC)Book Special
Date: 2018-09-07 05:41 pm (UTC)Re: Book Special
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Date: 2018-09-07 06:14 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2018-09-07 08:11 pm (UTC)A couple of notes on Atlantis
Date: 2018-09-07 06:16 pm (UTC)First, the only book I own on Atlantis is actually somewhat of a travelogue, as the author does some globetrotting to talk to the various Atlantis researchers and investigate their pet theories. His conclusion is that the foundation of the Atlantis story as it was known to Plato was probably the previous iteration of the Lisbon earthquake of 1755. The fault that caused the tsunami is known to generate earthquakes at fairly long intervals. The thesis seems plausible, as many others don’t.
“Atlantis” is a common subject of questions to Michael over the years. They put the destruction at @ 35,000 BCE, as the result of earthquakes (9.6 on the Richter scale) and volcanism in the Atlantic. It’s not a subject that Michael pushes; everything we know from this source is the result of questions someone asked. What makes this current is that there’s a very recent channeling on the subject from someone who is planning a trip to Ireland. The relevant past life was as a fisherman living in what is currently the Dublin area. This person traveled to Atlantis frequently, and played a part in helping the refuges from the disaster. (And yes, there was another past life where ce was very peripherally associated with the Druids, and some information about them.)
Unfortunately, the channeling and comment thread is in a members-only section of the forum, so I’m not going to post the link. The title is “Ireland, Atlantis and Druids,” for anyone who wants to join our.truthloveenergy.com to find it.
John Roth
Re: A couple of notes on Atlantis
Date: 2018-09-07 08:13 pm (UTC)Atlantis and the Temple
Date: 2018-09-07 07:19 pm (UTC)Just finished re-reading 'The Secret of the Temple' and 'Atlantis' a couple of months ago. Something to do while the formula drips in.... Wasn't reading to study, just reading.
At the start of the last chapter (and probably elsewhere) you say that the Temple technology appears to go back 7000 years or so. You also postulate that Atlantis 'disappeared' about 12,000 years or so ago. So a 5000 year gap. Just got to wondering if that gap necessarily would prevent a technology like the Temple technology from making it through if it was not being actively suppressed? It probably would be unlikely to make it. But, it's a different enough kind of technology that attributing it to the gods or magic would be sort of obvious.
Coop Janitor
Re: Atlantis and the Temple
Date: 2018-09-07 08:15 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2018-09-07 07:53 pm (UTC)-star.ships, a prehistory of the spirits by Gordon white is about the evidence suggesting that the non-random distribution of certain cultural and non-cultural throughout the earth, especially flood myths suggests that a lot of tech, mythology and magic is descended from a people who once lived in the now underwater lands of Sahel and sundaland in south east Asia.
-the lost secrets of maya technology by James a. O’kon describes the amazing tech achievements of the maya such as limestone water filters, suspension bridges, concrete and masonry highways and lime kilns.
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