Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 192

[ecosophia]

We are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; public health authorities government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.

5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

6. Please don't just post bare links without explanation. A sentence or two telling readers what's on the other side of the link is a reasonable courtesy, and if you don't include it, your attempted post will be deleted.

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion. 

Comments

Current state of medical studies

[stubborn_ass]

For context, my impression was that Bret Weinstein still believed in the system when the covid era started. It took him about 6 months to a year before he realized it stank to high heavens and many things were not kosher. So he stuck his neck out then. Kudos for that... unlike the Dr Campbell who put out daily videos and shied away from the logical conclusions for years before finally having acknowledging what he was seeing. Campbell came so close so many times, which I kept tabs on, as I used that as a barometer of how the average person who had benefitted from the system, was 'educated' and then presented with actual evidence that was quite contrary to the worldview that they've built up - how soon before they came to the stage of acceptance.

I found the following transcript quite relevant, especially given last week's thread where someone kept asking for more medical studies to show how bad the shots are. I mentioned that the ethicalskeptic has put in time and effort to piece together data, he said he knew about and wants even more, so give him the links etc. I didn't get angry or offended, as it was a Campbell situation - they are still in the throes of denial, it is what it is. He said he knew the medical system/ research function was compromised, and he's asking for more official studies to show how bad the shots are? Researchers have snucked in useful tidbits wherever they could, in order to get past the official censors, and we've pieced together many dots. Whether one wants to see the picture, it really is up to them.

https://x.com/newstart_2024/status/1908949418822300117

Bret Weinstein: "They are hiding everything. And what I mean by that is that they are sabotaging all of the mechanisms that we would normally use to figure out what's true. And that sounds like a wild exaggeration, but it isn't. The fact is it's not even just a an attack on the university system."

"It's an attack on every single university. The research done there is low quality, not repeatable. The lessons taught there are actually, in large measure, not even true anymore. Things that are verifiably false are taught as if they are true. Our regulatory agencies work exactly in reverse."

"They protect regulators from from citizens, not the other way around. So something is attacking all of the mechanisms in civilization that are supposed to seek the truth and act upon it, and that's not a coincidence."

"Our, truth seeking apparatus has been under such intense attack. We don't know what's true. Some things that are very easy to establish. It's not a difficult scientific question to figure out whether or not mRNA vaccines cause turbocancers."

"That's a very straightforward scientific problem, but we are nonetheless left to grapple with anecdote because to the extent that there are studies, they're likely to be set up to fail, and the rest is anecdote."

"So we are left to make sense of the world without the most obvious basic tools, without anything that flows to us from the enlightenment, and that is indeed a very dangerous predicament."

Re: Current state of medical studies

[(Anonymous)]

Dr. Campbell didn't "shy away from the logical conclusions." (At least not by my definition of the phrase.) He would have been deplatformed if he had uttered the logical conclusions. He spoke elliptically, and even put up signs on his walls, to lead people to arrive at those conclusions without himself speaking them out loud. Intellectuals have always had to do such things to pursue truth under censorship regimes, and those who would learn from them have always had to learn to read between the lines. But westerners haven't had to do it for a lifetime, because we've had mostly-free speech. I thought Campbell did a fine job of dissenting as best he could and deserved major credit for it.

It indeed shouldn't be difficult, scientifically, to determine whether mRNA vaxxes could cause fast-growing or aggressive cancers. The obvious starting point would be animal studies. As you say, Pfizer and Moderna's animal studies can't be trusted to be done right or reported accurately. But, not all nations profited from mRNA shots or widely adopted them. One of those that didn't, and that is now getting screwed over by the U.S., might just think about putting some funding into this. Almost any results, publicly released, could increase anger or divisiveness in the U.S., which is bad for us of course, but good for them.

Re: Current state of medical studies

[p_coyle]

increasing anger or divisiveness in the us sounds like multiplying infinity by 1.2 vs 3. in the immortal words of an angry and divisive pantsuit, "what difference, at this point, does it make?"

Re: Current state of medical studies

[(Anonymous)]

Something about this comment triggers my irony detector.

Re: Current state of medical studies

[ecosophia]

Well, if anyone has an irony deficiency in their diet, they can get some here. ;-)

Re: Current state of medical studies

[anonymoose_canadian]

I think a far more common problem is irony overdoses! ;)

Re: Current state of medical studies

[(Anonymous)]

It took Weinstein years to wise up. In 2021 a pregnant woman was asking him and his wife, another PhD, if she should get the jab. They prevaricated when the answer should have been a clear NO!!! I knew in January 2021 that the jabs were dangerous - for everyone - it seems the more educated you are, the less common sense you have.

Re: Current state of medical studies

[(Anonymous)]

Education is all about telling authority figures what they want to hear. And being part of a herd, not standing out. Critical thinking and risk taking are either not incentivized or punished.