ecosophia | Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 188

We are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; ~~public health authorities~~ government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.

5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

6. Please don't just post bare links without explanation. A sentence or two telling readers what's on the other side of the link is a reasonable courtesy, and if you don't include it, your attempted post will be deleted.

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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From: (Anonymous)

My sister-in-law's (brother's wife) mother recently got diagnosed with Acute Myeloid Leukemia. Everyone in that part of my family is heavily vaxxed with Pfizer, and I suspect there is a connection.

Please share any online papers and report you came across about promising alternate cures and doctors proposing them. I do not know whether they will listen, but I can pass the information.

From: (Anonymous)

My local paper just did an article remembering the lives lost to covid... And the best stories that they came up with... A 99 year old man, who lived a very impressive life before being lost to covid under restrictions where they couldn't visit him in his final hours. And a second hand story about someone from richmond who lost a friend that lived in Washington state. And that is it.

And this is why we had to panic? That's the best they could find? Even as a skeptic I wonder if there was less than I thought that actually happened. Maybe this is more an indication of how far local reporting has fallen but wow.

From:

the_arcane_archivist

From:

the_arcane_archivist

This are just anecdata, not medical recommendations. Today at a flea market someone told the story of his wife that had a brain tumor surgically removed refused radio and chemotherapy, she ate a lot of apricot kernels, I know they are supposed to be poisonous she eats 100 a day, so don't try this at home or otherwise. I also eat prune and cherries kernels quite a lot because I like the taste of it but wouldn't recommend to anyone.

Doctors wouldn't believe these things asked her to take radio and chemo after everything cleared. Romanian medicine, just like Romanian democracy?

Infowars reporter Jamie White was killed outside his house, his desk had this:

Also he reported often about the mRNA shots.

From: (Anonymous)

Sorry, I can’t offer any help, but just thought I’d share a gloomy story with you.

A friend, 75 but in great shape, got the latest “thing” in October 2023. In November he was diagnosed with Acute Myeloid Leukemia. In January 2024 he passed away. His wife, his twin brother, none of his other friends even come close to making a connection with the “thing” and it’s so frustrating. I’ve actually lost count of those I have known who are no longer with us.

I’ve read great things about fenbendazole and of course ivermectin. That’s what I would try if I was attempting to save someone. Good luck.

From:

boccaccio

I'm not a medical doctor, so the following is only for informational purposes.

There are quite a few resources for alternative / additional treatments of cancer. You can look at:
- dr Makis https://x.com/MakisMD
- the book Super Cancer Fighters by Bill Bodri https://www.amazon.com/Super-Cancer-Fighters-Supplement-Mainstream/dp/0615880142
- Joe Tippens protocol (based on Fenbendazol) https://www.faim.org/a-cure-for-cancer-hidden-in-plain-sight
- Florida Sharkman protocols (based on Ivermectin and Fenben or Meben) https://x.com/FLsharkman
- overview paper https://isom.ca/article/targeting-the-mitochondrial-stem-cell-connection-in-cancer-treatment-a-hybrid-orthomolecular-protocol/
- attempt on X to create an overview of various protocols and doses https://x.com/YayaQueenofBobo/status/1828185617823604781
- the posts of commenter Stubborn_ass on this forum. You can find those in the archives (He reported good results with IVM).

Some studies or summaries of studies
- https://x.com/MakisMD/status/1828024388580503589
- https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7505114/ (IVM)
- https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/oncology/articles/10.3389/fonc.2025.1490621/abstract (cannabis)
- https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2687140/ (Fenben + multi vitamins)
- a good introduction is on the youtube channel of dr John Campbell. He had 3 months ago 3 video's on IVM and Fenben against cancer.

PS I would recommend against just trying stuff. IVM can cause neurological issues, possibly due to impact on Gaba receptors. In some cases the issues are severe. Fenben also acts as a potassium blocker, so supplementing potassium can be necessary (e.g. eating avocado). Detox effects can be serious, so drinking a lot of water and extra support for liver and kidneys may be necessary. A binder is considered necessary.

It requires a lot of work to read all this and not all recommended supplements are easily available. For example, in Europe it will be very difficulty to obtain Ivermectin although if you identify as a horse you will find that the veterinarian version is about the same as the human one.

As for detox protocols, try FLCCC and worldcouncilforhealth.org.

PS Again, non of this is medical advice. It's only info. If in any doubt, please consult a licenced specialist.

From:

boccaccio

Thank you! I was hoping for an update with all the hacking and website outages going on.

From:

weilong

In my own circle of acquaintances, I can remember hearing precisely one story of someone dying from the 'vid. It was the elderly relative of a friend, and when that friend told me about it, she lowered her voice and said, "well, they said it was covid, but he was so frail that he could have died from constipation, or practically anything really."

I know other people here had different experiences. But if I am to rely on my own personal experience, the great plague was completely invisible outside of the news media.

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boccaccio

Odd that Jamie talked about myocarditis. This study from last week indicates that the 3 deaths from cardiac arrests died from a myocarditis that was caused at the same moment. In other words, vaccin damage. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666084924011471?via%3Dihub

From: (Anonymous)

For the sake of providing a different perspective (I agree that is truly pathetic for an article trying to memorialize this pandemic!) I'll note the two people in my life who ostensibly passed from COVID.

My cousin (age 55) belonged to a church which was very determined not to follow any COVID gathering restrictions, to the point of eschewing prudence. He played in the church band on Christmas Eve 2021, caught COVID there alongside his wife, and both went to the hospital at the peak of the Omicron wave. I suspect his care was not up to the usual standard due to crowding. He may have received Remesdevir (sp?), I am not sure. In any case his (younger) wife survived, but he did not, passing away mid-January 2022. Interestingly he was also in WA state at the time.

My former best friend in high school passed away in April 2024 from what her family called "long COVID". I had not spoken to her in almost 4 years by that point, so I know very few details. Coincidentally I was in contact with another mutual friend at that time, who was trying to (independently) write a paper on how COVID never existed, and who emailed my friend with statistical questions, as she had a PhD in bioinformatics. Per this person, my old friend was distressed by the questions, insisted COVID existed (but did not engage with the math) and in the very last exchange wrote "The end is near." Less than a month later she was dead. I know that she had an immune condition and also was in some stage of transition to the male gender, though am not sure of pronouns at the time of death. My guess is that she would have taken all vaccines offered ASAP. So... this is not as clear-cut as my cousin... but should have easily fit in such an article. Or perhaps because her death was so recent, it wouldn't have worked as a "remembrance"?

Anyway, I was slightly indignant to read your description, as both COVID and its response have taken far, far more than *that* from me! Thanks for your patience with this response.

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boccaccio

I did a quick search for AML specific on some forums where people can report their stories. I came across this one

Fenbedazol 444mg morning and night, one day a week pauze
Curcumin
Milk Thistle, supplement dozes

My sister had acute myeloid leukemia, followed this treatment, since April, doing very well, no side effects
(posted on Sept 1)

Another commenter claimed succes against leukemia with MMS (Chlorine Dioxide).

On the other hand I also saw a comment that nothing helped. I guess it is trial and error.

From:

jdecandia

I have posted here several times that I am an oncology nurse working in the heart of Silicok Valley and heavily interested in finding out more about these "alternative" treatments. Is there a book that preserves such knowledge or do I need to simply download all this information and print it out in the off chance that the internet is no longer available.

From: (Anonymous)

Ouch. That meme.

I was shopping for glasses yesterday and there was a guy at the next counter was unloading on the poor salesperson like a therapist, almost breaking down talking about his firefighter coworker who was young and super fit but somehow died in his sleep with no explanation. These conversations are becoming more and more common lately, and I really have to hold back to not say anything. It's likely the liberal meltdowns are the result of vax damaged brains turning them into mindless rage zombies, and I'm busy enough getting my act together before the crash without having to fight off zombies.

Everybody knows what's going on though, even if they don't want to say out out loud. When the Overton window shifts it's going to be brutal.

KVD

From: (Anonymous)

OP here. Sorry to hear about your friend.

"I’ve read great things about fenbendazole and of course ivermectin."

Yes, I sent a number of papers on these two potential cures to her. Here are the links in case anyone else needs references.

Fenbendazole on cancer -

https://ar.iiarjournals.org/content/44/9/3725

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3580766/

2018 paper on ivermectin and CML -

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/323055288_Antibiotic_ivermectin_selectively_induces_apoptosis_in_chronic_myeloid_leukemia_through_inducing_mitochondrial_dysfunction_and_oxidative_stress

Links to many other papers on ivermectin working on various cancers -

https://www.truth11.com/untitled-1277/

From: (Anonymous)

Thank you boccaccio

From:

slinky_weasel

Love the meme! It mirrors the conundrum I mentioned last week.

When can we talk about it? Why can't we talk about it? It seems to me that at some point, we really need to talk about it.

It's been 5 years!

Edited Date: 2025-03-12 02:12 am (UTC)

From: (Anonymous)

"My local paper just did an article remembering the lives lost to covid"

Maybe they should write an article remembering the businesses lost to covid.

From: (Anonymous)

Interesting. I was just discussing with family that WA state seamed to be ground zero for a lot of public perception around ‘rona: first hospitalization, the nursing home deaths, the super spreader church choir…

From: (Anonymous)

I am sorry for your loss and do apologize if it read as disregarding the actual personal losses that were felt. I had started with a lot more qualifications regarding those who died during that time but it ended up being a bit muddled and my comments can get off track that way. My main point was more on the sad state of the media both then and now for different reasons.

From: (Anonymous)

I hear you, slinky weasel. Every week just about I end up in some conversation (started by someone else) about someone who died suddenly or got some "baffling" illness.

"Why can't we talk about it?" I'll answer for myself: Because I well remember the dunderheaded and viscious comments from that same person who brought up the subject, about anyone who dared to question the wisdom in mandating that everyone take the Warp Speed cooties gene jabs / aka clotshots. So: if a covidian genuinely has a question about the dangers of the jabs now, at this absurdly late date, he or she does not need me to inform them. And I were to inform them, I have no reason to think that they could take it all in anyway. I might as well attempt to teach my gerbil linear algebra.

And since 2020 I've had more than enough of earfuls of dunderheaded and viscious attacks on basic common sense and common decency, thank you very much.

Personally, I put my efforts on supporting health freedom legislation. No one in my circles seems to want to talk to me about that, though, either, lol.

From: (Anonymous)

There's a new Oracle Films documentary, a brief one, under 18 minutes, about the UK:

Day of Reflection: The Covishield Scandal (2025) | Oracle Films
How could you watch this, and not be moved to tears???
Hedley Rees
Mar 11, 2025
https://hedleyrees.substack.com/p/day-of-reflection-the-covishield

Rees speaks at 14:30.

Direct link to watch "Day of Reflection" on YT:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu51GMb0SA4&t=3s

From:

stubborn_ass

Hmm you are being too 'kind'... there's been enough revelations and discussions in previous weeks' threads - that the hospitals were not only giving 'substandard' care to unvexed folks, but there was deliberate evil at work. RunDeathIsNear killed a ton of folks while lining Fauci's pockets with patent royalties. Ventilators also had an 80-90% death rate, forced upon folks when other therapies would have worked much better (e.g. budesonide). In the UK, they were dispensing Midzolam like it was candy in the hospitals.

Look, with all the stuff and propaganda that was obviously going on, we knew - as unvexed, that if we got sick, we DO NOT go to the hospitals where they had restricted patient support (no family attendance allowed etc). When they want to craft a narrative, putting yourself in their hands just makes you fully expendable. It is what it is. The folks who meekly went to the hospitals were literally sheep walking to their own slaughter. I am not being bombastic, just recapping what really happened, and there's even books now published documenting all of these. Again, all stated in past threads.

I know there's different stages of awakening.. and acceptance... A good friend and I had an argument - as he said that it is actually bad karma to make someone face the truth of the matter when they are not ready. I disagreed, as whether a person wants to accept certain ugly realities is up to them, but we should present that data/facts as it is, it is part of our dharma to speak the truth as much as possible.

From: (Anonymous)

Hi Guys,
A neighbour came down with legionella here on our pristine little island after turning some compost. He survived but only just. I have heard of another case of legionella where a ma is thought to have got it from potting soil. That never used to happen. My neighbour has had the shots. Interesting.
Maxine

From:

the_arcane_archivist

You're welcome

From:

fredsmith11

Docuseries:

#1 TTAC The Truth About Cancer by The Bollingers.

#2 The more recent Cancer Decoded by Jonathan Otto.

www.brighteon.com or www.naturalnews.com would be good places to start searching for them.

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