Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 188

[ecosophia]

We are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; public health authorities government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.

5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

6. Please don't just post bare links without explanation. A sentence or two telling readers what's on the other side of the link is a reasonable courtesy, and if you don't include it, your attempted post will be deleted.

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Ouch. That meme.

I was shopping for glasses yesterday and there was a guy at the next counter was unloading on the poor salesperson like a therapist, almost breaking down talking about his firefighter coworker who was young and super fit but somehow died in his sleep with no explanation. These conversations are becoming more and more common lately, and I really have to hold back to not say anything. It's likely the liberal meltdowns are the result of vax damaged brains turning them into mindless rage zombies, and I'm busy enough getting my act together before the crash without having to fight off zombies.

Everybody knows what's going on though, even if they don't want to say out out loud. When the Overton window shifts it's going to be brutal.

KVD

[fredsmith11]

" . . . liberal meltdowns are the result of vax damaged brains".

I've been gathering my thoughts on this issue for a while, prior to writing something about it.

Briefly, I think it's a toxic combination of wokism/DEI, incessant propaganda detached from reality and a multitude of environmental poisons, with the vax being the standout poison.

It's blatantly obvious a huge swathe of the Western political and bureaucratic classes have lost the ability to think coherently, thus all their 'brilliant plans' turn to dust.

It's why most Western Governments can no longer achieve much of anything.

[(Anonymous)]

They're religious fanatics. True Believers. Fundies. Wowsers, if you're a soviet Ozzie. If someone, somewhere, is having a bit of fun, they won't stop until they get rid of the fun. Or the person having the fun.

And they will never ever ever admit that they are wrong. That's part of being a fundie. You're unshakable, certainly, always, forever - right. And if you're not, you double down until you are. And as we've seen - fanaticism will get you about 70% of the way there? Not all the way there though. At some point reality curbstomps you.

Not sure the vax did anything other than make them more of who they already were. I would say that's true of all of us - you're becoming more of who you already were. And so are they.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd like to ask you and the first respondents below to imagine people from the "Other" political faction saying opposite, but similar things about your faction. What claims would they make, using what words? What would you think of that? Why should a middle-of-the-roader take your "diagnoses" more seriously than theirs?

I'd also like to point out that a majority of the more liberal half of the country are NOT getting, or not still getting, covid boosters - since under 20% of the total population are - and that a majority of elderly conservatives DID get the original jabs - since over 90% of the very-old did. There's a tendency around here to speak as if unjabbed=right and jabbed=left/moderate/apolitical, and vice versa, total equivalency. This is NOT ACCURATE! And it makes me suspect that claims of universal defect and predictions of universal doom allegedly for "the jabbed" often arise from an unspoken wish to have one's political opponents die en masse with no chance to shoot back.

[(Anonymous)]

This is not a hypothetical scenario, nor am I talking about political opponents. I'm watching my friends, family, and coworkers fall apart. Not only are their bodies aging rapidly, but they seem to have a type of early-onset dementia. Holding a conversation is very difficult these days, and rage comes all too easy. In Hawaii the number of car accidents is off the chart. People are driving like Mad Max out there, swerving across multiple lanes and trying to pick fights. I'm saying blessings on the road all the time just so I can arrive alive.

Today I went surfing with a guy I haven't seen in a few months. He's older but he still charges the big stuff, and I was shocked by how frail he looked compared to the last time we met. It was the same one-way conversation that I'm getting used to these days, and he hardly caught any waves even though it was smaller and he knows the place like the back of his hand. This is horrifying and very very sad. I take no pleasure in it at all.

At least if we spread the word some folks who aren't completely gone might be encouraged to seek treatment. My yoga teacher took action after I brought up the subject, and he looks like he's recovering now. There is hope for them, but not if we stay silent.

KVD

[(Anonymous)]

People do decline as they get older and there may or may not be help for that. (People who tell you that you are beyond hope UNLESS you sign up for a specific set of treatments are probably invested in those either emotionally or financially.) And people have been driving like madmen since the beginning of the pandemic, long before vaxxes (or before most of us were exposed to natural spike).

But I was reacting negatively to your phrase "liberal meltdowns." If these people described your side of the argument as "conservative meltdowns" and attributed them to covid-spike-induced dementia, I doubt you'd find that reasonable. Attributing someone's fear or anger over some political event to their being "mindless rage zombies" with "damaged brains" effectively says: you only feel these emotions or hold these policy preferences because of your subhuman mental function, there can be no legitimate argument for your views. (Saying "oh, and you made yourself so defective" just adds to it.) What would you want them to say about you? Perhaps: "even if some of your ideals seem really wrong-headed to me, your underlying emotions stem from understandable and mostly legitimate human motives"?

Can't we say that about each other? I am what counts as a liberal these days (I'm aware that's unpopular here and don't try to promote a democratic perspective) but one of my best friends is a Trump voter. We agree to disagree and neither of us looks down our nose at the other and says "zombie." BTW I don't think I know if she was ever vaxxed. If she's ever said, I have forgotten. Because in my opinion, it is one of those things, like who you voted for, that does not define who you ARE.

[(Anonymous)]

There are liberals melting down everywhere, and it was mostly liberals who embraced covid tyranny. Now their bodies are breaking down and their friends are dropping like flies, but they can't admit what's going on because they turned their ideology into their identity. Once that happens it feels like suicide to question their own ideology, and when anyone disagrees with them they interpret it as murderous intent. It doesn't matter that their skin is peeling off, they can barely walk up a flight of stairs, and five people they know died of cancer last year. Admitting they were wrong is still more painful.

[(Anonymous)]

I know a lot of people who got vaxxed and boosted, often repeatedly, and I don't know anyone whose skin is peeling off.

Yes, it is *mostly* liberals who became extreme covidians, though I know at least three conservatives who still avoid any public indoor activity or travel because of covid. Let's not forget, though, that the massive nationwide lockdown was ordered by the Trump administration, or that he claimed that FDA's not wanting to allow mRNA vax use until they could analyze and discuss the meager data from a six-week clinical trial was a Deep State conspiracy. As a never-Trumper, I for one was suspicious of a product that Trump seemingly wanted to ram through with no real testing to improve his hopes of re-election. Between those points and the general higher salience of "purity" as a guiding principle for conservatives, the factional divide over covid might very easily have gone the other way. Had Trump won in 2020, I suspect conservatives might now be denouncing liberals for not getting boosted (and perhaps attributing all illnesses in liberals to their covid infections).

And conservatives may not "melt down" over covid, or over people being jailed for protected speech, or whatever recent incidents you may be referring to, but they do "melt down" over plenty of other subjects. It would not seem appropriate for me to supply a list here, but I am sure you can think of some. If you'd prefer some other term than "melt down" for public displays of emotion or political protest by your own faction, it would help if you'd use the same term for those of the other faction.

Again, I'm not sure why you need to have vaxxed people -- at least if they are liberal? -- "admit they were wrong." Suppose some people have a recent health problem and "can barely walk up a flight of stairs." What is the benefit in having six people self-denounce and blame the vax if that is true in one of their cases? It probably doesn't even help that one, and it certainly harms the other five. Of course, none of them should get boosters that might make their condition worse, but neither should the greater number of people who have no such health problems. And as I've been pointing out, most of the public HAVE come to recognize that, because they aren't accepting any more jabs. They may not have bewailed their past vaxxes in a public struggle session; they just quietly stopped following CDC guidelines. Why isn't that enough?

[stubborn_ass]

"I know a lot of people who got vaxxed and boosted, often repeatedly, and I don't know anyone whose skin is peeling off. "

Right from the beginning, any vex injured person who started to share their stories online got completely shadow-banned. Just so you don't see it.

Folks who currently have skin peeling off, they would rather hide at home rather than face the public, to avoid the pity glances and whisperings. So you don't see it again.

"Again, I'm not sure why you need to have vaxxed people -- at least if they are liberal? -- "admit they were wrong." Suppose some people have a recent health problem and "can barely walk up a flight of stairs." What is the benefit in having six people self-denounce and blame the vax if that is true in one of their cases? It probably doesn't even help that one, and it certainly harms the other five."

One of the key control mechanisms used by the state has been to isolate people. So even when they are obviously vex injured, all the shadow-bans and doctors gaslighting told them that they were just 'rare' and unfortunate instances. Now if all 6 people KNOW that they were all suffering the same issue from the jab, the lightbulb is more likely to go off and they can start sharing info about what they're trying to address their issues. Being in denial means they keep going back to the system to get wrong and harmful 'medical' advice instead. In addition, when people start to realize that it's not even just a handful they know online that got harmed, but a huge majority - that is part of the prediction about increasing widespread anger and forcing change and accountability to the system. Admitting they were wrong is a very key step in understanding how they got manipulated so easily (yes, tough to swallow), otherwise they're missing a key task in this life cycle.

Hey, I'm not judging you if you don't want to admit that you were wrong to have taken the shot as you still seem ok... corolary to that is that you probably aren't detoxing. We are just making an observation that there are likely many consequences for not facing up to some basic truths.

[(Anonymous)]

stubborn, excellent comment.

Re: "One of the key control mechanisms used by the state has been to isolate people."

Many of the severely injured have barely left their homes in months and months. Few have filmed themselves for Internet viewers. And those that have have generally found themselves censored and shadow-banned.

GI tract issues and heavy bleeding issues are also things few people want to discuss, so many other people have no idea that these people are so debiltated. Ditto prostate issues. And nerve pain. And fatigue. And so on.

I myself am not injured, but I am very aware of the work of React19. So many people all telling similar stories and getting gaslighting, gaslighting, and more gaslighting.

As for social interaction, like a lot of people, I have not yet gotten back to pre-2020 levels of activity, not by a longshot, so I'm not keeping up with people as I once did. And anyway with most people the topic of covid is now "not done."

[transcriberb]

Relatedly:

Eithne Branigan at WakeUpEire Vigil in Dublin for the Jab Injured and the Dead
"Because we're all so sick most of us can't turn up to speak out"
Transcript: https://transcriberb.dreamwidth.org/200949.html

Source video:
"Leinster House,15th June 2023.Wake up Eire vigil for injured and those who have died post vackzeen"
Eithné Ní Bhranígháin, posted June 17, 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71FsILtQ0H8

[(Anonymous)]

Until the offending drug companies go out of business and the politicians who committed crimes against humanity get prison time they will just keep coming back and trying it again.

reasonable?

[kallianeira]

We have just been through some of the most unreasonable years of our lives; have been treated unreasonably; and as you may infer some of us are rather suffering from PTSD. It may be here where we come to lick our wounds and find some rare sympathy.
So why insist on being reasonable? What is reason going to solve?

iridescent scintillating elver