Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 188

[ecosophia]

We are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; public health authorities government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.

5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

6. Please don't just post bare links without explanation. A sentence or two telling readers what's on the other side of the link is a reasonable courtesy, and if you don't include it, your attempted post will be deleted.

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I know a lot of people who got vaxxed and boosted, often repeatedly, and I don't know anyone whose skin is peeling off.

Yes, it is *mostly* liberals who became extreme covidians, though I know at least three conservatives who still avoid any public indoor activity or travel because of covid. Let's not forget, though, that the massive nationwide lockdown was ordered by the Trump administration, or that he claimed that FDA's not wanting to allow mRNA vax use until they could analyze and discuss the meager data from a six-week clinical trial was a Deep State conspiracy. As a never-Trumper, I for one was suspicious of a product that Trump seemingly wanted to ram through with no real testing to improve his hopes of re-election. Between those points and the general higher salience of "purity" as a guiding principle for conservatives, the factional divide over covid might very easily have gone the other way. Had Trump won in 2020, I suspect conservatives might now be denouncing liberals for not getting boosted (and perhaps attributing all illnesses in liberals to their covid infections).

And conservatives may not "melt down" over covid, or over people being jailed for protected speech, or whatever recent incidents you may be referring to, but they do "melt down" over plenty of other subjects. It would not seem appropriate for me to supply a list here, but I am sure you can think of some. If you'd prefer some other term than "melt down" for public displays of emotion or political protest by your own faction, it would help if you'd use the same term for those of the other faction.

Again, I'm not sure why you need to have vaxxed people -- at least if they are liberal? -- "admit they were wrong." Suppose some people have a recent health problem and "can barely walk up a flight of stairs." What is the benefit in having six people self-denounce and blame the vax if that is true in one of their cases? It probably doesn't even help that one, and it certainly harms the other five. Of course, none of them should get boosters that might make their condition worse, but neither should the greater number of people who have no such health problems. And as I've been pointing out, most of the public HAVE come to recognize that, because they aren't accepting any more jabs. They may not have bewailed their past vaxxes in a public struggle session; they just quietly stopped following CDC guidelines. Why isn't that enough?

[stubborn_ass]

"I know a lot of people who got vaxxed and boosted, often repeatedly, and I don't know anyone whose skin is peeling off. "

Right from the beginning, any vex injured person who started to share their stories online got completely shadow-banned. Just so you don't see it.

Folks who currently have skin peeling off, they would rather hide at home rather than face the public, to avoid the pity glances and whisperings. So you don't see it again.

"Again, I'm not sure why you need to have vaxxed people -- at least if they are liberal? -- "admit they were wrong." Suppose some people have a recent health problem and "can barely walk up a flight of stairs." What is the benefit in having six people self-denounce and blame the vax if that is true in one of their cases? It probably doesn't even help that one, and it certainly harms the other five."

One of the key control mechanisms used by the state has been to isolate people. So even when they are obviously vex injured, all the shadow-bans and doctors gaslighting told them that they were just 'rare' and unfortunate instances. Now if all 6 people KNOW that they were all suffering the same issue from the jab, the lightbulb is more likely to go off and they can start sharing info about what they're trying to address their issues. Being in denial means they keep going back to the system to get wrong and harmful 'medical' advice instead. In addition, when people start to realize that it's not even just a handful they know online that got harmed, but a huge majority - that is part of the prediction about increasing widespread anger and forcing change and accountability to the system. Admitting they were wrong is a very key step in understanding how they got manipulated so easily (yes, tough to swallow), otherwise they're missing a key task in this life cycle.

Hey, I'm not judging you if you don't want to admit that you were wrong to have taken the shot as you still seem ok... corolary to that is that you probably aren't detoxing. We are just making an observation that there are likely many consequences for not facing up to some basic truths.

[(Anonymous)]

stubborn, excellent comment.

Re: "One of the key control mechanisms used by the state has been to isolate people."

Many of the severely injured have barely left their homes in months and months. Few have filmed themselves for Internet viewers. And those that have have generally found themselves censored and shadow-banned.

GI tract issues and heavy bleeding issues are also things few people want to discuss, so many other people have no idea that these people are so debiltated. Ditto prostate issues. And nerve pain. And fatigue. And so on.

I myself am not injured, but I am very aware of the work of React19. So many people all telling similar stories and getting gaslighting, gaslighting, and more gaslighting.

As for social interaction, like a lot of people, I have not yet gotten back to pre-2020 levels of activity, not by a longshot, so I'm not keeping up with people as I once did. And anyway with most people the topic of covid is now "not done."

[transcriberb]

Relatedly:

Eithne Branigan at WakeUpEire Vigil in Dublin for the Jab Injured and the Dead
"Because we're all so sick most of us can't turn up to speak out"
Transcript: https://transcriberb.dreamwidth.org/200949.html

Source video:
"Leinster House,15th June 2023.Wake up Eire vigil for injured and those who have died post vackzeen"
Eithné Ní Bhranígháin, posted June 17, 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71FsILtQ0H8

[(Anonymous)]

Until the offending drug companies go out of business and the politicians who committed crimes against humanity get prison time they will just keep coming back and trying it again.