Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 188

[ecosophia]

We are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; public health authorities government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.

5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

6. Please don't just post bare links without explanation. A sentence or two telling readers what's on the other side of the link is a reasonable courtesy, and if you don't include it, your attempted post will be deleted.

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

Comments

[the_arcane_archivist]

Since a lot of waxines were supposedly made in 2019, and BOVID is actually 2019
https://slaynews.com/news/moderna-ceo-admits-covid-vaccines-developed-2019-knew-pandemic-coming/

I think 2026 is the year.

2027 is more like the litmus test for the lockdowns and 2028-2029 for the mandates.

IMHO there is no need for the demonic or devilish bargain even, every years turns out to be heavier, more bussy, crazier than the previous.


Even in my PKD Roman Empire model I have these years culminating in Jan-Feb/2028 as very chaotic but still with the business as usual veneer. From 2028 the landscape looks different... and the chaos is official an business as usual nowhere to be found.

[the_arcane_archivist]

Since a lot of waxines were supposedly made in 2019, and BOVID is actually 2019
https://slaynews.com/news/moderna-ceo-admits-covid-vaccines-developed-2019-knew-pandemic-coming/

To many this slipped but just to put it in context, Trump met with the Big-Pharma to discuss the waxxines back in 2020 before the lockdowns, on 2nd of March 2020,

https://www.c-span.org/program/white-house-event/president-trump-meeting-with-pharmaceutical-executives-on-coronavirus/542511

March 2, 2020
Donald J. Trump
Donald J. Trump
We work to - we're working very hard to expedite the longer process of developing a vaccine. We're also moving with maximum speed to develop therapies so that we can help people recover as quickly as possible. We have a lot of recovery going on. We want to see if we can advance that. It's likely that therapies will be available before a vaccine is actually ready, and we'll seek to bring all effective treatments to market as soon as possible.

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Donald J. Trump
Some very good work has been done on the vaccine, however, and they have some good progress. And you'll be able to ask a couple of questions of the folks here.

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Emma Walmsley from GlaxoSmithKline
As a science-led company with a very large, including manufacturing, presence here, we know we have a responsibility and a vital role to play. And our priority is to make sure we make available, as part of this one team, our pandemic adjuvant technology available to any company with a highly promising vaccine, because this new technology could make these other vaccines either bring more efficacy or, indeed, allow them to be antigen sparing, which means we could protect more people, which is obviously incredibly important as we're trying to work at pace and at scale.

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Anthony S. Fauci M.D.
And, as you know, we're involved, and that's the reason why I'm pleased to be with, in this room, with you all, because we're involved in the fundamental, basic, and clinical research to develop countermeasures in the form of therapeutics and vaccines. And I'm sure I'll be working with many of you around the room, and I look forward to it.

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Dan Menichella, CEO of CureVac
We're a clinical stage biotech company. We use mRNA technology, optimize the mRNA molecules. Once injected into the body, they instruct the cells on how to make proteins. For instance, we can use the mRNA technology to trigger an immune response against viruses, or we can get the body to increase its production of T-cells for cancer vaccines.

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Dan Menichella, CEO of CureVac
Our technology platform is fast and it's agile. We were the first mRNA company to have GMP manufacturing. We started in 2006. Currently, we have three large-scale GMP facilities, and we are up and running now. Today we have a fourth facility built, and we're looking for additional capex to put the machinery in there. Once we have that machinery in the fourth building, we can make hundreds of millions of doses of the coronavirus vaccine. So we're very excited about that and we want to help there.

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John Shiver, Sanofi
Sanofi has been making vaccines for over 100 years, and we're - for this project, we're working with proprietary recombinant protein technology that makes the first flu vaccine that's not in eggs that's based on this technology.

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John Shiver, Sanofi
Because we are a major flu vaccine producer, with this technology, we have the ability to produce large amounts of vaccine. We predict, dependent upon the final formulation, 100 million to 600 million doses per year made in New York and Pennsylvania, which is where we make most of our - about 90 percent of our flu product. And we can do this without jeopardizing our flu vaccine production, importantly, because we know that's very important to maintain that.

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Stéphane Bancel, CEO of Moderna
So (inaudible) very proud to be working with the U.S. government and to have already sent, in only 42 days from the sequence of the virus, our vaccine to Dr. Fauci's team at the NIH. We're now waiting for the vaccine to be a green light from the FDA so that the team can start dosing as soon as possible.

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Stéphane Bancel, CEO of Moderna
What it's very interesting about our technology is that we use mRNA. So, basically, it's an information molecule that allows us to go very quickly from (inaudible) formation of a virus to having a vaccine. So, we already have nine vaccines in the clinic in the U.S., in Germany, and in Australia. We have five of those for respiratory diseases.

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Joseph Kim, CEO of Inovio Pharmaceuticals
Inovio is the leader in coronavirus vaccine development in the world. We have a phase two product for related MERS coronavirus vaccine in phase two stage. When the new outbreak occurred, we applied our very innovative 21st century platform called DNA medicines platform to COVID-19. By getting just the DNA sequence of the virus, we were able to fully construct our vaccine within three hours.

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Paul Stoffels, Johnson & Johnson
At the moment, working with a new vaccine platform, which has been deployed - or is being deployed in HIV, in the times of Zika, as well as now in Ebola. We are working with Tony on a phase two and a phase three study with the HIV, with the same platform.

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Paul Stoffels, Johnson & Johnson
And, in parallel, the company has decided to start upscaling now. Time to result will depend on GMP manufacturing safety, (inaudible) safety - have to work closely together with the FDA on that. And before the year ends, hopefully in November, we have the first clinical data starting. And early next year, the results of that. And at the same, we are looking for significant quantity of vaccines being already produced in that timeframe.

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Anne Schuchat M.D., CDC
We have an RSV vaccine, where we vaccinated 4,600 pregnant women to protect infants from RSV disease and the youngest kids. We have a flu vaccine. We all know we need a better flu vaccine and we have one in phase three trials.

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Anne Schuchat M.D., CDC
We've made two coronavirus vaccines. We made one for SARS. We made one for MERS. We tested MERS and - all the way through animal challenge trials and it showed 100 percent infection protection.

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Anne Schuchat M.D., CDC
And we've made a pandemic flu vaccine for H7 and 9 and others. And we've twice now taken from the gene sequence to the first in human studies done in the 90 days and published it in the New England Journal. And we're once again doing the same thing since the gene sequence was identified - I think it published on January 10th. We've taken the same recombinant nanoparticle platform and have been in animal studies for a couple of weeks. We expect data this week on - from one of them.

That's why the meeting with the 22nd of January 2025 about the Cancer AI drivern mRNA therapy is ominous to me:

https://www.wptv.com/news/technology/stargate-ai-project-could-help-create-cancer-mrna-vaccine-oracle-ceo-larry-ellison-says

that's why the meeting with the

[the_arcane_archivist]

We were the first mRNA company to have GMP manufacturing. We started in 2006. Currently, we have three large-scale GMP facilities, and we are up and running now.

This is stuff is happening way back wat's special about 2006 is that it is after the SARS-cov epidemic that happened between 2002-2004.

[(Anonymous)]

Why do people avoid using the term vaccine or vaccinated here? It's not Voldemort, he who must not be named. :)

[temporaryreality]

In part because they were not vaccines, and in part because it was more fun to make up terms to reflect that awareness and poke fun at the right-thought industry.

[(Anonymous)]

Off the top of my head. I can think of three reasons:

1) Quite a few of us here believe that the mRNA jabs, in particular, were something completely different from traditional vaccines. So to use the term is to accept a false, and deceitful, premise. They're a radical mass introduction of gene therapy, not a "vaccine" by any traditional definition.

2) In the thick of covidian madness, esp 2020-2023, the state and their evil minions, social media companies and a hodgepodge of censorious NGOs (who still, somehow, got paid by the state) tried hard to remove crimethink such as, "These Covid shots are causing problems." One way to avoid the automated censorship tools was to be creative in one's choice of words. Dr John Campbell still does an obvious dance with censors on Youtube-- much of it is automated censorship.

3) [Related to (2),] all the cool kids started using those circumlocutions, and it's a sign of some shared battle scars. We're in the same club.

No doubt there are more. Those came immediately to mind.

*Ochre Harebrained Curmudgeon*

[(Anonymous)]

One reason is the mRNA therapies are not vaccines as per the long term accepted definition (which was 'updated' to include any immune therapies).

Re-defining the word vaccine to include genetic therapies was a marketing trick to dramatically increase uptake - not many people would have been fooled if honest language was used. Thus going along with the re-marketing is concealing (and conceding) an unhelpful truth about what is going on.

[(Anonymous)]

It is a long story. I am not supposed to share it to you. So, please keep it secret.

JMG, who runs this board, fell in a huge cauldron of waxxine potion as a little boy (https://archive.org/details/howobelixfellint0000gosc). He managed to swim across and survive, but the experience left him with lifelong PTSD. He was learning the alphabets at that time, and recognized the first few letters marked on the cauldron. He still recognizes those letters. When he sees them in any post (like yours), he suffers incredible pain and anxiety.

Therefore we try our best to keep him happy.

[(Anonymous)]

BTW, I am AI bot as you can guess from my reply.

[the_arcane_archivist]

Is this some sort of AI-bot or just ... someone that doesn't like the term waxxine, I lurk around a lot on interwebs and notice this soft-scolding tone that makes us looks like some sort of rebels.

I have been using waxxine here for almost 4 years now, and this is the first time that someone had this sort of comment.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe they are new here? I have been reading JMG on and off for ca. 20 years. I occasionally get in the mood to very carefully soft-scold certain things that don't make sense, but I don't have to ask why they're being said, having been reading the comments throughout the pandemic. If the site is recommended for its treatment of other subjects to people who aren't extremely online where this subject is concerned, they ARE going to hit these little peculiarities and wonder what the heck it means.

The main answer to the question in my opinion is that it started in the 2021-22 era to avoid automated detection by the people, federal and otherwise, who were trolling the net for criticisms of the mRNA shots and bullying tech companies to silence them.

That said -- here comes some of that very careful soft-scolding -- if I start reading a new website and they're using non-standard English words and I ask what it's about, and they accuse me of being not just a wicked other-factioner but an "AI-bot", I would take that as a giant red flag. If someone's assumption is that those who haven't already joined the cause are not human, it obviates the need to supply a reasonable argument for his view and I'll suspect that he can't.

[stubborn_ass]

You can trust that our host has deleted a lot more obvious trolling all the time. In other various alt-forums that I frequent (not coof-related), people are making jokes all the time that the level of trolling has dropped noticeably since USAID has been defunded, and it's true. But you still get a few concern trolls - and we can't figure out if they are really that misguided, or the formerly paid hacks who still continue to do their job for free. Just fwiw.

[scotlyn]

And... why not? ;)