Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 188

[ecosophia]

We are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; public health authorities government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.

5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

6. Please don't just post bare links without explanation. A sentence or two telling readers what's on the other side of the link is a reasonable courtesy, and if you don't include it, your attempted post will be deleted.

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

Comments

Not to be “that guy” but…

[(Anonymous)]

At what point will people be willing to consider that maybe not every illness or medical condition that occurred after the vaccine was caused by the vaccine? Where do you draw the line?

Re: Not to be “that guy” but…

[wolf_wobo]

"At what point will people be willing to consider..."

The point at which this has been properly studied. By independent researchers. And ALL of the pages and pages of dis eases have been correlated mRNA, admitted and explained.

Followed by the public prosecution and public execution of all officials who knowingly or unknowingly participated in "the current situation."

Followed by the claw back of all moneys given to/stolen by the pharmaceutical and medical industries and dispersed to the damaged and families of the dead.

I think that should be a good start. :-)


I'll wait in my detention camp for that to happen HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

~Wolf

Re: Not to be “that guy” but…

[(Anonymous)]

The lives and livelihoods of many executives and government officials are riding on this argument. Hopefully it makes it to court and doesn't get solved in the streets.

Re: Not to be “that guy” but…

[(Anonymous)]

Well, here's how I see it as another person who isn't comfortable victim-blaming. First, to blame the vax for an increase in a disease that isn't closely associated in time, there has to actually BE an increase in that disease, or a leveling off of a previously consistent decrease. Of course, we may not always know that because we can find graphs reporting breast cancer deaths, say, but not cases of mild eczema.

Second, suppose that the vaxxes were such a powerful promoter of eczema that they increased overall incidence by 50%. That would still mean that only one of three cases was caused by the vax. To say "your fault, had it coming" whenever you heard of a new sufferer would wrongly tar two out of three. For over 50% of cases to be caused by the vax, it would have to MORE than double the risk per user.

We know that's true for a bunch of short-term or immediately appearing symptoms (myocarditis, POTS, tinnitus, Bell's palsy, Guillain Barre). I will be surprised if the cancer-causing effect of a few shots is enough to cause that much of an increase in any cancers. Possibly lymphoma as it is a strong promoter of incipient lymphoma -- but that would happen in weeks or months, not decades. (It may have happened to the husband of a friend of mine. Or it may not. People got lymphoma and died before the vaxxes. It would be cruel to tell her he did something to bring it on himself, when I have no evidence or even a good statistical argument. So I didn't.)

Re: Not to be “that guy” but…

[stubborn_ass]

Why would you be looking for that kind of fake assurance, from a coof-related alt-forum of all places?

We keep getting more and more formal data, reports, studies - years after we already figured out the toxicity of the shots is pretty much across the board from our own anec-data experiences. Many solutions have also been presented here. Again, it's pretty much up to you whether you want to detox or not. You can also choose not to adress the elephant in the room when someone gets sick (yet again), that is all up to you.

If you had actually read the previous weeks forums, you would have known that the shedding is still affecting the unvexed despite all the precautions we are taking. So what is that shedding doing to the vexed folks? They have internal damage and fresh incoming damage all the time.... double whammy.

Again, it is your own call how you respond to all the information that has been presented.

Re: Not to be “that guy” but…

[the_arcane_archivist]

At what point will people be willing to consider that maybe not every illness or medical condition that occurred after the vaccine was caused by the vaccine? Where do you draw the line?

Did you made the same remark about every illness and death attributed to BOVID19?

Re: Not to be “that guy” but…

[boccaccio]

It's a pendulum. First society at large has to consider that many of those doctor baffling ailments are indeed the result of the vaxx. Only when we're in a situation where all ailments are attributed to the vaxx can the pendulum swing back. Hopefully we will have not to many incidents with rope and lampposts before that happens.

Most people are not (yet?) at the point where they can contemplate what science and data are pointing at, so you're rethorical questions are premature.

Before getting back to 'normal', first the truth has to be exposed. Without truth the situation will fester and lead to even greater harm down the road.

Re: Not to be “that guy” but…

[scotlyn]

Do you mean this:

At what point will people be willing to consider that, in people who were vaccinated, there is a possibility that said vaccination will have had NO EFFECT on any subsequent illness or medical condition that occurred after taking it/them?

OR this:

At what point will people be willing to consider that, in people who were vaccinated, there is a possibility that other factors other than said vaccination might also be considered causal to illnesses or medical conditions occurring after taking it/them?

OR something else?