Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 186

[ecosophia]

We are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; public health authorities government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.

5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

6. Please don't just post bare links without explanation. A sentence or two telling readers what's on the other side of the link is a reasonable courtesy, and if you don't include it, your attempted post will be deleted.

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

Comments

[charlieobert]

In the past three years, my distrust of allopathic medicine and its drugs has generalized.

Distrust of covid vaccines. More and more distrust of vaccines in general.

I'm seeing more stories about

- the dangers of ozempic,the weight loss drug.

- the dangers of anti-anxiety meds.

- the dangers of anti-depression meds.

- the dangers of blood pressure meds.

- the dangers of steroids, and statins.

- the dangers of ibuprofen, tylenol and related drugs.

...and so on.

In the past five years, since I had cancer in 2019, every drug I have been prescribed has had negative side effects on me. As far as I know those side effects faded after I quit taking them, but I have no way of being sure.

Here's a list of allopathic prescription meds I am confident are safe.

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That's it.

[(Anonymous)]

I understand the sentiment, Charlie, and I've become much more skeptical myself. But my medical history is an interesting counter-argument. I would not even be alive today without a considerable number of allopathic drugs. Insulin, for 50+ years. Steroids to replace a fried adrenal cortex, and thyroid hormone for yet another autoimmune endocrine disorder. (I more or less manage my own endocrine system. ☹️)

Just as important are the blood pressure meds I've taken ever since I showed signs of bad diabetic kidney disease over 30 years ago. It was pretty much guaranteed that I'd be on dialysis within 2-3 years before those drugs existed. But they stopped the protein in my urine, and literally cured the nephropathy. I have normal kidney function, which still amazes me but the test results have been unchanged for decades now.

Quite possibly I'm the perfect patient, as well-- injured multiple times and then treated for a lifetime. I wonder if most or all of my maladies have their root cause in various vaccinations and other allopathic immune assaults. It's quite possible. I now avoid all newfangled drugs, question the doctor ruthlessly, and look for solo practitioners over corporate outfits. But those are rare. I would beg my child to shun vaccines for any (yet non-existent) grandchildren and I'm starting to explore some homeopathic and naturopathic practitioners. Growing and using more herbs, trying to educate myself.

But I'm forever hitched to those drugs, I'm afraid, regardless. But that's only because I started them before medicine became exclusively an exercise in milking the patient.

D. mellitus

[(Anonymous)]

I like your list of safe RX drugs. I will be 77 on Ash Wednesday. If I need something for a cold or other things will take something Irish. This is not medical advice just something I do as needed. Blueberry

[anonymoose_canadian]

At this point on the basis of the work of Dr. Fung and Gary Taubes, I am quite convinced that how diabetes is treated is one of the most harmful thing allopathic medicine ever did. Insulin is a godsend for type I diabetics, who would otherwise always die, but for type II diabetics it has been a disaster. There were effective ways to treat type II diabetes prior to insulin: all of them boiled down to cutting down on sugar and carbohydrates, and eat a diet much higher in fat.

Once insuline was discovered, it was found that those diets were dangerous for diabetics on insulin (because insulin forces blood sugar down, and adding extra insulin pushes it down regardless of whether or not it is safe); and so they were thrown out as "dangerous". However, the problem with type II diabetes is not just the blood sugar, but the excess insulin, and adding more of it can keep blood sugar down, but makes a lot of the other problems much worse.

[(Anonymous)]

Even Type I diabetes - once insulin injections are started the islet cells normally partly recover and start producing insulin again. The 'best practice' approach is to suppress these as fast as possible using a high carb/high insulin intake because their unpredictable contributions make blood sugar management difficult. But there are indications, at least for a percentage of Type 1s, that it might be possible to provide supportive low level insulin on a low (not no) carb diet for a time and then back off the injected insulin completely once the cells recover. The damage to the islet cells would require faithful adherence to a low carb diet and blood monitoring would still be necessary.

That is, analogous to some kidney diseases, it is possible to have a crisis in which the cells shutdown but with supportive dialysis/insulin which takes the load off the cells for a while the stabilised condition could then be managed by diet for an indefinite long period. Other people, the disease is quickly progressive and standard treatment would be needed. Although, I still think even these type I diabetics should be educated to eat low carb and use minimal insulin rather than eat what you like 'because you deserve it as a victim of this horrible disease' and then cover with insulin as required. This leads to Type II like insulin resistance on top of the Type I deficiency.

Of course, with the obvious downsides, no one mainstream has much interest in experimenting with a supportive crisis care/diet+testing approach.

[(Anonymous)]

You touch on something important. If Big Pharma only did nasty things, nobody would trust them ever. There is some stuff they do that works a treat, but they then use that good will to shoehorn in their less ethical junk for the sake of 'make money line go up'. Figuring out which is good and which is bad is such a difficult thing especially when it is a new thing right out of the lab.

About a year back my father got diagnosed with Bladder cancer and with eight treatments of immunotherapy, now the cancer is completely gone. Only 5 years ago that was a slow death sentence, today it is curable. It is kind of amazing to see what has been achieved in the field of cancer treatments at least. At least the doctors where honest in saying to him that it was experimental and there was the risk of being diabetic from it.

But I can name about a half dozen times when stuff has been prescribed and it was a total bust or just done to get you out of the office as quick as possible.

A weird one was a pain killed I was given once that had the weirdest side effect. I though the batteries had gone flat in the door bell until I realized all my hearing had drop a half octave! Very weird to experience.

I was also on another pain killer for a double herniated spinal injury about 10 years back. My short term memory has been fried ever since and while at the time there was nothing mentioned of this, I have come across many people that have experienced this since having it.

Like you I am now getting fairly deep into herbal treatments, in a sense of prevention is better than cure. It is a very cool scene around that and it has worked out well so far. I would recommend the folks over at 'Plant Healer Book store' for a good introduction but there are many more like that around. Jessi Wolf Hardin and the late Stephen Harrod Bruhner are both great at speaking the quiet parts loud as a great introduction.

[coyote_girl]

I think this is a good example of how one size does not fit all. Though it's probably a small fraction of the numbers claimed, modern medicine has saved some lives. More than it's taken or diminished is another question though.

Personally I rate modern medicine down there with deer ticks, but how will my attitude change when I get bitten by a real deer tick? I remember my vet would prescribe doxycycline for tick bites on dogs.

Given the death of trust with the industry, I would only see a doctor as a crime of last resort, but there are conditions and injures that qualify as a last resort.

[charlieobert]

Fwiw - I have been told since I was in my twenties that I have high blood pressure and really need to do something about it, and was given a list of threats of what would happen to me.

I never did anything about it. I am now 73, and from what I can tell I am far healthier than I would be if I had been taking blood pressure meds all those years.

I still see the warnings and how it's EXTRA SUPER IMPORTANT especially if you're older... the threats just don't have teeth anymore.

Same with the threats of how it's SUPER IMPORTANT to get a colonoscopy...

[https://openid-provider.appspot.com/bryanlallen]

I’m fully convinced that Blood Pressure is only obsessed about because: it’s easy to measure!

High-ish blood pressure OBVIOUSLY is just fine health-wise; just slap a blood pressure cuff on an athlete while exercising. HUGE numbers!

There’s a clue there. Exercise puts stress on your cardiovascular system, which responds by getting stronger (more muscles.) A stronger CV system is excellent protection against weak blood vessels; said weak vessels lead to strokes and other badness. BTW, like anything else, exercise can be overdone; small to moderate is your friend.

[https://openid-provider.appspot.com/bryanlallen]

Regarding colonoscopies: at least here in California there are clinics that have the same vibe as high-quality car maintenance/repair shops. IF you have a family history of colon cancer, then by all means go to the shop. I did, after having a “bleed” event, and the docs found three polyps, one of which was cancerous. BTW, family history for me (uncle, grandmother.) They look at the extracted polyps and see how far the cancer has spread down the stalk; if, as in my case, the spread is not too far, then you’re done with no additional treatment other than a follow-up colonoscopy in two or three years.

Colon cancer is usually pretty slow-growing. Past the point of getting an internal scan, yearly home-kits to test for fecal blood (very inexpensive, BTW) are really all that’s recommended. Haven’t kept up on the practice; perhaps doing fecal exams is a good starting point?

My surgeon was quite open in saying “Colon cancer is 98% genetic”; he was a big believer in recommending colonoscopies for those with family histories but sounded sceptical that everyone needed one.

No practice of medicine here; just my personal anecdotes. YMMV.

[(Anonymous)]

You better start doing something until it is too late :)

[charlieobert]

In a group of older men at my church, the topic of colonoscopy came up, and someone said, Well, THEY SAY you're supposed to get them at age x, and y... and everyone nodded.


The idea that you do what THEY say was unquestioned. The possibility of not following doctor's orders, period, was unthinkable. It still is for many, many people in our culture. Any thought of bringing up the harm caused by something a doctor ordered is going to slam into that wall.