Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 171

[ecosophia]

...One can dream, at any rate. Update 11/15/24:  As the pedes like to say, "Don't let your memes be dreams!" 

We are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; public health authorities government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.

5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

Comments

Re: RFK Jr. Nominated for Secretary of Health and Human Services

[escorcher]

A good start:)

Re: RFK Jr. Nominated for Secretary of Health and Human Services

[ecosophia]

Isn't that the punchline to the joke "What do you call ten thousand government bureaucrats at the bottom of Chesapeake Bay?"

Re: RFK Jr. Nominated for Secretary of Health and Human Services

[escorcher]

Ha!

But...

It ain't gonna be easy.

This in the Gruaniad today:

'10.52 GMT
RFK Jr role condemned as a 'public health catastrophe'
Hello and welcome to the US politics live blog. I’m Tom Ambrose and I’ll be bringing you all the latest news from Washington over the next few hours.

We start with the news that Donald Trump’s nomination of Robert F Kennedy Jr as US secretary of health and human services has prompted widespread criticisms towards Kennedy, an anti-vaccine activist who has embraced a slew of other debunked health-related conspiracy theories.

In a Truth Social post on Thursday, Trump claimed that Americans have been “crushed by the industrial food complex and drug companies” and that Kennedy “will restore these Agencies to the traditions of Gold Standard Scientific Research, and beacons of Transparency, to end the Chronic Disease epidemic, and to Make America Great and Healthy Again!”

In response to Kennedy’s nomination, Public Citizen, a progressive nonprofit organization focusing on consumer advocacy, said: “Robert F Kennedy Jr is a clear and present danger to the nation’s health. He shouldn’t be allowed in the building at the department of health and human services (HHS), let alone be placed in charge of the nation’s public health agency.”

“Donald Trump’s bungling of public health policy during the Covid pandemic cost hundreds of thousands of lives. By appointing Kennedy as his secretary of HHS, Trump is courting another, policy-driven public health catastrophe,” the organization added.'

From: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/nov/15/donald-trump-rfk-jr-matt-gaetz-us-politics-live

Re: RFK Jr. Nominated for Secretary of Health and Human Services

[escorcher]

Only in the Guardian...

They have a go about RFK jr all day being a risk to public health and then run this leading headline in the evening:

"UK’s unhealthy food habits cost £268bn a year, report finds"

'Exclusive: Food, Farming and Countryside Commission added up cost to NHS and economy of diet-linked disease'

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/nov/15/uk-unhealthy-food-costs-268bn-a-year-report-food-farming-countryside-nhs

You couldn't make it up. 🤦

Re: RFK Jr. Nominated for Secretary of Health and Human Services

[https://openid-provider.appspot.com/bryanlallen]

Hmmm. Public Citizen. I remember them from when they were founded in the 1970s by Ralph Nader. Hadn’t kept up on what they’re doing nowadays. Hmmm, hmmm, hmmm. They’re now a tax-exempt lobbying organization and have distanced themselves from Nader (he had the gall to run for President under the Green Party.) Influence Watch at least is not particularly impressed with them: https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/public-citizen/

Usual suspects: Soros, Rockefeller Foundation, Carnegie Corporation of NY, and so forth. As Treebeard in LOTR remarked: “Hrrmm. Hooomm. Herrrmmm.”