Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 162

[ecosophia]

We are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; public health authorities government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules have been slightly modified: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.

5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

Comments

Re: More than greed and incompetence

[weilong]

Yeah, the degree of actual coordination is debatable, but lack of coordination doesn't mean everyone was acting in good faith. At the lower levels, it took a lot of bad actors to make this whole thing happen, but the individual incentives were aligned for them to go along with it even if they knew it was wrong. Most of them would probably never admit it, even to themselves.

Re: More than greed and incompetence

[(Anonymous)]

If you're deep in debt, and you need that medical license to swing the payments, someone uses the threat of taking that medical license away, tell me you wouldn't be like Michigan J Frog singing "Hello my honey, hello my baby, hello my ragtime gaaaal", if they ordered you to.

Re: More than greed and incompetence

[(Anonymous)]

This is a good point. And it actually ties in with the hostage joke further up in the discussion.

In the US at least (I can't speak to other countries), college and med school are very expensive, and a lot of medical professionals are surely carrying student loan debt and can't afford to lose their jobs and be without income for a while. It also makes any sort of kickback of payoffs much more tempting. Not only that, but doctors tend to come from the middle and upper middle classes, aka the PMC, and status consciousness and conformity are deeply ingrained.

So you have people who are conformist by selection, to whom status is very important, and who on top of that are often paying off student loans and terrified of losing their income. It is indeed a kind of hostage situation, even if many of the chains are in their minds.

Re: More than greed and incompetence

[(Anonymous)]

The kind of people who can jump through all the hoops required, I call them "box checkers". I saw a lot of them in my youth, doing their dead level best to make it into the Ivy Leagues, but it applies just as well to lower tier medical school. Not just doctors either. Ted Cruz is a poster boy for the "box checker" type. Hardworking, diligent, attentive to detail, and given well defined goals, will accomplish them. Question of when, not if.

Not the kind of person who does well though when dealing with unusual or unexpected events, where improvisation is required. Bad at diagnosis, where part of figuring out what is going wrong, is to use your intuition. These are specialists, not generalists, tend to have a narrow view of things, seeing only the trees and not the forest. There are a fraction of people who make it to the Ivy League levels who have good general intelligence, but they are a minority, IMHO.

Bottom line, those kind of people are easy to manipulate and control. Do not trust them too much, especially in this era. They are not your friends. Treat them the same way you'd treat the HVAC guy, read reviews and if it looks like he isn't working out, fire him and replace him with someone who will.

Medical system is collapsing anyway (along with everything else it seems). Get used to DIY.