Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 156

[ecosophia]

This post concludes the third year of these open posts. As the phrase "died suddenly" repeats in the mass media like a mantra, statistics for work days lost to illness and all-cause mortality mount up in heavily vaccinated nations, and more and more ugly facts about the official response to Covid spill out into public, we are entering what may well turn out to be the most difficult period of the Covid disaster -- the phase in which denial rises in lockstep with the death rate, and a great many people try not to admit what has been done to them by the people and institutions they trusted. It could get ugly, folks.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

If you are in the US this is a question of patient rights and patient's family rights. (I don't know about other countries' laws.) The doctors do not have the right to dictate whether a relative can be in the home of / room of another relative. That is for the patient, and the relative with power of attorney to decide. Now, that doesn't mean illegal things have not happened, cascades of them since 2020, but one way to stop a lot of the illegal abuse is to simply know your rights. And let anyone who challenges you know that you know your rights. Just whisper the word "patient rights" you might find that takes you a long way. Depending on the context, of course.

But of course bringing up patients rights may very possibly be counterproductive in this circusmtance.

Secondly: Anyone who thinks a vaccine that does not work will work if someone else takes that same vaccine is, in my view, not thinking straight. Moreover, the abundance of evidence is that it is the vaccinated for the most part who are coming down with covid, over and over again, because they messed up their immune systems with these newfangled injections. So, err, tell me again, how is it that a healthy asymptomatic unvaccinated relative is more of a danger to a patient than a vaccinated relative?

Not thinking straight = not sane.

I'm all for honesty, there is indeed a lot to be said for it, but to be meaningful, honest communication requires a basic level of mutual sanity.

For example, I don't think it's sane to ask random people about their favorite way to pick their nose. Neither is it sane to attempt to enter other people's houses uninvited and grab their dishwasher soap (and by the way, their silver). I don't think it's sane to want to set a barn full of donkeys on fire, either. Or to prance about in a clown outfit at someone's funeral. And so on. On a more innocent level, there is the case of elderly relatives in late stages of dementia who may have all sorts of delusions-- such as, their long-dead parents are coming to get them at the train station.

If I had to deal with any such individuals, why on earth would I feel compelled to treat with them as if they were sane, and their questions (hey, where's the silver? / Where are the matches?) merited an honest answer?

Take a class or two on self-defense, one of the things they'll teach you is that there are circurmstances where lying can save you from an assault, or worse. In the case of an elderly relative with dementia, the kindest response might be to simply say, yes, my love, yes, I know.

I've lied to plenty of freaked out covidians about my vaccination status and you know what, I am glad that I had the presence of mind to do so. Why? Because they were either a danger to me for one reason or another, or, as with relatives, they needed me, I knew they wouldn't and couldn't consider the facts, and this too shall pass. So now I get to live with myself for having lied to them. No problem! I would do it again. But, yes, it makes me sad, of course I would have preferred that they hadn't been out of their heads in fear and delusion.

Bottom line: If I am healthy, without symptoms, my covid vaccination status is not anyone's business. Period. I'm happy to speak up and speak out where appropriate, but I have had zero regrets about telling all sorts of people who ask me if I'm vaccinated whatever I judge will make them cool down & lay off.

Are you vaccinated?

Answer A: Plenty.

Answer B: Of course! (last jab was decades ago, but never mind)

Answer C: (with dagger eyes) Fully.

It's all so stupid, and all so sad.


However you see it, whatever you decide to do, my wish for you is that this situation work out the best for you and yours.

[stubborn_ass]

Are you vaccinated?

Answer D: Ah, I haven't taken the booster yet.

(No need to mention that you didn't take the 1st or 2nd shot either).

[(Anonymous)]

Out loud: "Of course I'm vaccinated!"

Silently: (for Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Tetanus, Diptheria, Pertussis...)

- Cicada Grove

[(Anonymous)]

Out Loud: 'Knock on wood it took!' (while knocking on wood)

Silently: 'The train out of town.'