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throwing a tantrumI got forwarded a link today to one of the latest vagaries of the soi-disant "Resistance" -- for those who don't keep track of US political chatter, these are the people who haven't yet got over the fact that their candidate lost the 2016 election. You can read the original here if you like; the short version is that some of Donald Trump's opponents have convinced themselves that if they all stop spending money, that will bring the US economy to its knees within a few days and force Congress to either impeach Trump or force him to resign. 

Yeah, I know. Do you remember when you were two, and Mommy wouldn't give you a bowl of ice cream, and you told her that you'd hold your breath until you turned blue if she didn't give it to you? I thought of that too. 

What's more, they're not just going to stop spending money -- no, they're all going to run out and buy all the things they'll need for the next month, and then stop spending money. No doubt the retail sector of the economy will be shaken right down to its core by getting all that money in advance.

I'm frankly starting to wonder if somebody in the Trump administration is cooking up schemes like this and the comically inept project to cast a hex on Trump I discussed here a while back. I can't think of a better way to keep the Democrats busy spinning their wheels, so they don't do the things that might actually win them the 2018 midterms and the 2020 presidential election: that is to say, figure out what cost them the 2016 election and stop doing it; and then get busy with some old-fashioned grassroots organization and outreach aimed at winning back the voters they ignored just that once too often. 

On the other hand, I really do hope that the people who are proclaiming this business on Twitter go ahead and follow through on their plan. Three or four days into it, when it starts to sink in that a few tens of thousands of disgruntled Democrats changing their buying habits won't even rise out of the statistical noise, it might just begin to sink in that we don't live in a tantrumocracy, where whoever shrieks the loudest about their hurt feelings gets to tell the rest of us what to do -- and that if you want to make change happen, you really do have to learn something about practical politics, roll up your sleeves, and get to work making the machinery of representative democracy do what it's there for. 
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Date: 2018-06-21 03:43 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] mattsplatt
Beautiful! Thank you. I needed a good laugh today. :-D

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Date: 2018-06-21 04:12 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] fluiddruid
Hello John,

indeed there seems to be some sort of mass mental and emotional breakdown going on in this country. The sheer size of it is more disturbing than amusing.

As for the people who shriek loudly, last Sunday I was at a shopping mall when I saw a well dressed man walking along the aisles and shouting "F**k Trump!" repeatedly. Seeing otherwise intelligent people having uncontrolled fits of rage in public really bothers me. I just don't understand it.

The working theory is that the election of Trump doesn't fit into the narrative of social progress, hence it is the "Progressive" side of the Democrats who are most upset.

If I get a chance to capture a live Progressive I might try to interview them and ask why they feel that way.
Edited Date: 2018-06-21 04:30 am (UTC)

(rolls eyes so hard they stick)

Date: 2018-06-21 04:17 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kimberlysteele
So if their Apocalypse doesn't arrive on schedule, they're going to try to bring it on themselves. Nice.

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Date: 2018-06-21 05:33 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I was in grassroots politics on the left for a long time. Every so often, somebody would make an angry call for a general strike, and everybody with common sense would roll their eyes: here we go again, and now the meeting's going to run late because Blowhard Bob just had to posture. There is, oddly enough, a traditional form associated with stupid calls for a general strike. Every blowhard delivered their call with the same general method, starting with the invocation of the glorious left of the 1930s.

This is the oddest-looking call for a national strike I've ever seen. It looks a lot more like earthquake preparedness, or siege preparedness, than strike-calling.

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Date: 2018-06-21 08:00 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Sometimes I wonder if there's a social engineering experiment going on to test the gullibility of the population. Jese Nelson, singer in the pop band Little Mix, posted a picture of herself with her hair in braids or dreadlocks or something. She was accused of appropriating black culture, it spread on the internet and the media picked up on it. Whatever you think of the concept of cultural appropriation, the whole premiss depended on Jesy Nelson being white. Look up photos of Jesy Nelson and you will see the problem with that. The fact that thousands or tens of thousands of people got swept up in this and went along with it without asking the obvious question worries me more than most things.

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Date: 2018-06-21 08:48 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Hi

I guess this explains the substrate on which that particular individual operates, but not why exactly he snapped. I have ever only seen such outbreaks when there was a defined boogeyman in Switzerland (Blocher) from very, very very young adults, but the elders, parents and older just sighed and hoped he won't stay that long in open politics. Maybe the very system which hinders one guy taking over reassured many that this guy too will pass. The US has a cult of personality, so a very odd personality naturally leads to expected oddness of politics - and consequences. But over there too, it is not guaranteed oddness will happen. This era can just as well pass into short to mid term indifference, even indiscernibility from other times.
I can understand how one can slip to the point where he snaps publically though. The recent immigration huffpuff (think of the children! they are being separated) was a prime example. One side insisted that they have a mandate and the other one insisted it was against the law. This one is really simple and a matter of minutes, one call to an migration attorney is enough and he cites the statutes on air, case closed.
Both viewpoints could be true and this in of itself would be newsworthy. But what do the elites do? Instead of backing it up with specific parts of the law they blather for weeks. So a loud "Fick Trump!" in a store is kind of a mental pre-fabricated shortcut across this ambiguity.

Maybe this particular man was axed or fired because of policy changes and he blames it on the administration.

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Date: 2018-06-21 10:08 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I frequently see academics on social media publicly in plain sight saying that Trump supporters are "uneducated" and "ill-informed". Supporters' opinions, therefore, don't count (apparently, but their votes still matter in reality).

These intellectuals are so unwilling to lend an ear to working class people. You just see post after post of venomous hatred directed at Trump and "his enablers" (all of whom must either range from plain ignorant bumpkins to vile fascists).

This hysteria even bleeds outside of the USA into Canada, the UK and Australia! Mouthfuls of saliva are ejected as they fling their hands about in the air, loudly denouncing Trump in a restaurant (true story, I hate to say...).

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Date: 2018-06-21 10:13 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] aldabra
We're not yet far enough into the accelerating failure of the entire progressive dream that we're forced to confiscate toddlers from their families and put them in cages. That is a political choice, done deliberately to inflict maximum harm on the powerless, and the horror people feel at it is visceral. I'd rather people were having fits of uncontrolled rage in public than shrugging or cheering it on; it ought to be unacceptable, and so people ought not to be able to accept it.

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Date: 2018-06-21 10:27 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I think a lot of this stuff, if not most of it, is virtue-signaling. For example, the other day talking-head Rachel Maddow played on her show a clip of children crying for Mami, and summoned a few tears. A reader of a liberal site noted that when she heard the clip, she had to run to the bathroom and vomit, then spent the next two hours crying nonstop. Whatever we may think of U.S. immigration policy, or Trump, I think most of us would agree that that’s a pretty unusual reaction to the problems of people you’ve never even met.

Not to be outdone, another reader wrote in to say that SHE had been crying for the last several days. Then came one who’d been crying since the election—with breaks, one hopes—and by now they’re probably up to “I’ve been crying since Trump was born!”

And remember, these are the people who brag about being part of the “reality-based community.” (To be fair, being part of a reality-based community is damned difficult in the U.S.)

You didn’t see that with the conservatives when Obama was in office. They whined about him nonstop, and annoyed their friends and relatives with nonstop tasteless jokes about him and his wife (they seemed to hate her even more than they hated him), but they did always maintain at least some connection to reality.

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Date: 2018-06-21 10:36 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Let's say this does work and starts disrupting the economy (which seems very, very unlikely): how many of them would stick it out? I could see a lot of them chickening out if this actually does anything. After all, the fallout could very well include massive disruptions to their privileges....

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Date: 2018-06-21 10:37 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I'd be so happy if nobody used "Progressive" to mean "people who believe in 'diversity training'" anymore. (I do know that it's a legacy from when "Progressive" was code for "pro-Moscow".)

- a Progressive, i.e. somebody who'd like to use a few stars as fuel.

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Date: 2018-06-21 11:23 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
By the way, John, the excuse du jour for a “creative “ worker who fails to turn in on time whatever he contracted for is “I was too upset about Trump to write [paint, sculpt, whatever].” So the next time you find yourself facing a pile of deadlines...

I guess George R. R. Martin fans may as well give up hope till early 2025.

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Date: 2018-06-21 11:45 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
This sounds like all those attempts back in the day to bring down gasoline prices by having folks not buy gas on Wednesday (or whatever random day they would pick), as opposed to, say, just using less gas. Plus ca change...

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Date: 2018-06-21 12:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] grokrathegreen
Just watched a couple of my super progressive (sub variant: permaculture) friends out themselves publicly as Trump supporters, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth. Interestingly one compared Trump to Snape from the Harry Potter series: I think the meaning being a good guy who is willing to seem like a bad guy for a greater good. Bodes very poorly for the Dems. I am continually shocked by the poor performance of doing politics from the Dems at present, it is amazing to me that a powerful and numerous faction in a major Nation can be so daft. Whom the gods would destroy I guess...

Trump 'supporter' is an interesting turn of phrase, isn't it though? What interests me is how few people act luke warm about Trump; which makes the most sense to me, as he is such a mixed bag. It seems as though public performances about him are encouraged to be all the way to one side or another. You can freak out at him, or pledge loyalty, and in either case at least get a comprehending response. But try to sort out good from the bad of his chex mix of policies in public and wait for confused frustration.

Most interesting, the way the left is willing to abandon the higher ground when they could claim victory. Tell me, am I remembering a decade ago when being a hardcore lefty meant being opposed to interventionism and globalization? If the pattern holds your prediction about Trump swiping victory out from under the Dems on ending reefer madness make a comedic amount of sense.

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Date: 2018-06-21 12:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] neonvincent
According to Fortune, the same group that cast binding spells on Trump also cast them on the National Rifle Association. The NRA heard about this and promptly turned it into a fundraising appeal. Most observers thought the NRA had gone (even more) soft in the head, but they were actually responding to something real.

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Date: 2018-06-21 12:28 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The thing I always find amazing about these sorts of ideas is that it apparently never occurs to these people that changing a government (or anything else) using such methods is much, much harder than changing it at the ballot box (assuming that option is available to you). If you live in a more-or-less functioning democracy and you can't get enough people to show up and vote your way once every few years, then there is no way on Earth that you can hope to get enough people to support you in much more difficult actions - actions that might involve some actual hardship and sacrifice on their part.

As I put it to a friend once: "If they won't join you at the ballot box, they're certainly not going to join you on the barricades". It didn't go down well.

Dunc

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Date: 2018-06-21 01:13 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] auntlili
Okay, I'm going to play Devil's advocate and say that a proper national strike might be an effective way to get Congress to do something very specific -- although probably not impeach the President, because if the Democrats really wanted to do that they'd be pursuing any of several actual breeches of law rather than the Russian kabuki. The French have had effective national strikes. The thing is, look at what this article asks you to stop buying. Food and medicine? Why? If you want to boycott bottled water, do it now and forever. It's a great idea. Why not stop buying from the industrial food chain now and forever, and instead support your local farmers? What they're saying has the feel of a penance. Like "okay, let's go on a crash diet and give up all that fun shopping for a week and then, because we're good, we'll lose a ton of weight and an embarrassing President and life will be wonderful again."

I went to a zazen retreat once and at the end of it, participants were given the floor -- Quaker-style -- to say whatever they wished about the experience. One woman stood up and said that she had come to the retreat determined to let go of her traumatic past once and for all, only to find that she really missed the drama. For me, that's what this is. After all, how is a brief boycott going to shut down the electric grid and the water supply? There are a million ways to make sustained and meaningful change in your life, to benefit what is good and weaken what is destructive, and to validate the dictum "l'union fait la force." But although effective over time, that kind of change is not dramatic, and these people would really miss the drama.

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Date: 2018-06-21 02:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dfr1973
So, they aren't actually cutting their spending, just shifting it in time ... making this an empty gesture in addition to looking like hypocritical virtue-signalling. As for reality sinking in, I would not hold my breath on that one. This self-proclaimed "resistance" seems to go out of their way to avoid the simple reality that too many of us voters were never going to vote for Hillary (unless it is a vote to indict).

That being said, since the Democrat party looks to still be actively avoiding reality, I will write in Cthulhu. Trump bombed Syria, and that is a deal-breaker for me.

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Date: 2018-06-21 02:55 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I found the part about "this evil, fascist government" potentially shutting down utilities in target cities particularly amusing. As a utility worker myself -- at a good, socialist municipal utility ;) -- I have something of an understanding of how utility systems operate...and the author of the original post obviously does not.

The mindlessness and immaturity of the tantrum is rather sad.

David, by the lake

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Date: 2018-06-21 06:10 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
It's the cluelessness that gets me. There's clearly no understanding (or any desire to acquire an understanding) of how the political system works, or the economic system works or any system for that matter.

A case in point occurred last year in the neighboring state of Vermont. The bank president of Union Bank in Saint Johnsbury became aware one day in January of 2017 of a small group of protesters outside his bank beating a drum and holding signs protesting bank investment in the oil pipelines (this was during the height of the Keystone protests). He sent out the branch manager who discovered the protesters were aiming their displeasure at the Union Bank in southern California. The Vermont bank is not associated with them in any way as they are a local bank. This was explained to the protesters who then asked where the nearest branch of Bank of America was located. The manager said that to the best of his knowledge there were none in the state of Vermont.

*poof* End of protest.

It would have taken very little effort on the part of these people to do research in order to find out where best to aim their efforts but apparently they couldn't even be bothered to do that. So no, it's not surprising that there are DT opponents convinced if everybody ceased shopping (and of course everybody must surely be like them) the US economy will drop to its knees with the POTUS promptly launched on his perp walk. Once he's gone then we can all start happily shopping again and life will be good.

*sigh*

JLfromNH

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Date: 2018-06-21 06:36 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
As someone who occasionally agrees with Trump, it's hard to avoid being dragged into it. Express support for one thing, and you have to deal with people shrieking about everything, because they can't get that he's a mixed bag.
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