ecosophia | Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 128

We are now in the third year of these open posts. As the phrase "died suddenly" repeats in the mass media like a mantra, statistics for work days lost to illness and all-cause mortality mount up in heavily vaccinated nations, and more and more ugly facts about the official response to Covid spill out into public, we are entering what may well turn out to be the most difficult period of the Covid disaster -- the phase in which denial rises in lockstep with the death rate, and a great many people try not to admit what has been done to them by the people and institutions they trusted. It could get ugly, folks.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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From: (Anonymous)

thanks for the space as always JMG!

FDA Launches Fresh Bid To Toss Out High-Profile Ivermectin Case

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/fda-launches-fresh-bid-toss-out-high-profile-ivermectin-case

From: (Anonymous)

We started talking about this on last week's post, but I'm quite concerned about the fact that many of the risks of biotech won't become clear for quite some time, since there are many risks which won't appear until future generations. So, I'd like to bring this topic over, and discuss it further on this week's post.

We're starting to see evidence for this with the Covid vaccines (the study on rats that found neurological damage in rats born to mothers given the mRNA vaccines during pregnancy, for example); but this raises a serious question for me: given that in some cases these risks can be anticipated, why is it that so many otherwise smart and intelligent people, especially the kind of people who normally tear any argument they encounter apart, seem to be unable to see these risks?

This dynamic was quite clear during the Covid vaccine push; and it struck me as incredibly strange then. However, I'm starting to realize that it is not just with these mRNA injections where this dynamic is at work; and it's actually more dangerous in other cases, because there are applications of biotech which will work well for the current generation, but run risks of blowing up in ways which won't be noticeable for years, because they involve the children or grandchildren of the recipients.

One example of this dynamic that I see is the experiment in mutated S. mutans being marketed as a means to stop cavities*. This version of S mutans is given an antibiotic so it can outcompete other bacteria, and has its metabolism changed to produce alcohol instead of lactic acid, with the idea being that the amount of alcohol produced as it feeds on sugar in the mouth should be small enough to have no metabolic effect, and that without lactic acid, the teeth will be healthier. The antibiotic itself is safe enough; it breaks down in the stomach, and plenty of bacteria and fungus already produce them in the human microbiome.

I'm withholding judgement on this until I see the evidence from the people who take the bacteria, but it sounds to me like it could work; and that the risks to the people who receive it are likely to be minimal. This doesn't mean it won't blow up badly for the people who take it; but I'm not sure I see any plausible mechanism for it at this point in time for it to cause serious issues in healthy adults.

However, S. mutans is often found in the gut as a regular part of the human microbiome, despite not being able to pass through a normal human stomach; it gets there during infancy, alongside a host of others, many of them transmitted from the parents' mouth. So we now have a bacterium which can survive in the human gut, is designed to outcompete other bacteria, and produces alcohol. This sounds like a recipe for auto-brewery syndrome. The kicker though is that it won't affect healthy adults, and even most extremely unhealthy adults are not at serious risk of this, since the digestive system has to be in very bad shape before S mutans can survive. All of this means that adults can take this, most likely without issues; but there is a risk of this causing health problems in the form of auto-brewery syndrome in children exposed to this by a caregiver.

We won't know this is a problem until there are babies exposed to this, and they start to have health issues. How long it takes to figure out the cause is auto-brewery syndrome adds on to this (I'm not sure anyone knows what this looks like in infants, and it's rare enough in general it probably won't be on anyone's radar); and then there's the question of how long it takes before anyone figures out it's being caused by this bacteria their parents, or some other caregiver, took in order to prevent teeth decay however long before the baby was even born.

I spent a few hours researching this, once I identified that there was an auto-brewery syndrome risk here, and despite having minimal medical research skills, I found this risk; why is it that so many otherwise smart people seem to be unable to do this? I can understand the people who are pushing the product won't want to, since it'll cost them a great deal of money; I can even understand why the regulators are asleep at the wheel (given where their money comes from), but I cannot for the life of me figure out why so many otherwise intelligent people seem unable to realize that in order to say something like this, or an mRNA vaccine, is safe, the effects on future generations need to be considered.

Does anyone have any ideas as to why biotech seems to turn off so many people's ability to perform critical thinking?

*https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/defying-cavity-lantern-bioworks-faq

From:

ari_ormstunga

At the risk of over-simplifying what is probably a complex issue, I'd guess it's probably due to the myth of Progress. Many people believe things have to get better and better, and whatever is new and innovative is superior.

It may also be the influence of the Man, Conqueror of Nature narrative. Science just has to overcome all of the limitations and inconveniences of life, and there are seldom any downsides its advocates care to acknowledge (until it's too late, of course).

When deeply held narratives like that are challenged by events like those we've discussed here, advocates for them often double down. Those advocates basically run everything in the Western world. Insane stupidities ensue.

Finally, well, the vast majority of humans are of average intelligence or less, but most of us are convinced we are smarter than we actually are. Insane stupidities ensue.

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