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dear plexiglassWe are now in the third year of these open posts. As the phrase "died suddenly" repeats in the mass media like a mantra, statistics for work days lost to illness and all-cause mortality mount up in heavily vaccinated nations, and more and more ugly facts about the official response to Covid spill out into public, we are entering what may well turn out to be the most difficult period of the Covid disaster -- the phase in which denial rises in lockstep with the death rate, and a great many people try not to admit what has been done to them by the people and institutions they trusted. It could get ugly, folks.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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Date: 2023-10-04 04:25 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Since so much of the supposed war on covid was nothing but psychological warfare and attempts at conditioning the populace for a lusted-after cultural revolution, no Science™ reporting should ever get taken at face value. The usual suspects have been waving around their unsubstantiated threats of aerosolized mRNA vaccines since at least 2021. Mind you, I have no doubt that they're trying their level best to develop such wonders, but they've been trying to create food replicators and phasers for even longer, yet the best they've managed to come up with so far is Beyond Meat and tasers. That's not a track record to be overly afraid of!

The word intranasal showed up enough times in that article to make it quite clear why 'Airborne' had to be couched in airquotes in the title. Any title that has to resort to employing fingerquotes is a blatant attempt to misdirect the reader. The only thing the so-called 'scientists' have managed to come up with so far is an old-fashioned nasal-spray delivery-method (like over-the-counter Afrin) for those vaccines that specifically target the lungs. So now we know not to let anyone posing as a medical practitioner come anywhere near us with either nasal sprays or syringes. Note taken. I have to say, even before reading this scare tactic of an article, I would not have been overly comfortable with anyone spraying unknown substances in my nostrils... Fentanyl, anyone?

The slow trickle of mRNA vaccines now getting administered in humans through the consumption of meat and dairy products seems like a much more troubling delivery vector than any imaginary clouds of yet-to-be-invented vaporware.

— Christophe

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Date: 2023-10-04 06:32 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
What mRNA vaccine is getting delivered through meat or dairy products? There are reports animals are getting mRNA injections, which is troubling; but there are mechanisms in place in our digestive system and our cells to prevent mRNA from anything we eat from affecting us.

This isn't to say it's risk free; but we almost certainly aren't going to be getting the Covid vaccine from it being given to our food.

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Date: 2023-10-04 08:37 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] methylethyl
I don't imagine it's good for the health of the animals though.

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Date: 2023-10-05 12:39 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
"I don't imagine it's good for the health of the animals though."

Of course not. In fact, it's probably a disaster; and it wouldn't surprise me in the least to learn it causes health problems in people who eat it. But I doubt the mRNA survives in the animal, the cooking process, and then the digestive system, and then gets incorporated into human cells.

I think there are serious risks here; but a lot of attention is going into looking at something I don't think is happening; and I don't think could happen, rather than the real concerns, such as, what effects does ingesting the spike protein have? Do the mRNA shots alter the composition of animal milk, as they (might) human?

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Date: 2023-10-05 01:40 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] methylethyl
My own thoughts wander toward... what happens to food prices when a third of the livestock turn up with tumors?

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Date: 2023-10-05 08:32 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I am sorry to report, the animals already do have a lot of tumors, and like abcesses, these just get chopped out in the meat processing plants. Or not.

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Date: 2023-10-06 12:59 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
After WW2 my dad went to school on the G.I. bill in a city with a huge meat-packing industry. His job often involved using a .22 calibre rifle and shooting rats. He'd do a route through the slaughterhouse 'dinging' rats.

The funny part about this? He was given that job because he was a veteran (and no doubt because he was white). That's not the funny part. The funny part is he was in the navy and not a gunner. lol.

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Date: 2023-10-05 02:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] scotlyn
My thoughts turn to... what will farmers do when one third of their livestock turn up with tumours?

A lot of farmers own tractors, and, when pushed too far have been known to fill em up with the contents of their mucksheds and take to urban streets en masse.

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Date: 2023-10-05 03:23 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Probably not a good time to start eating bologna or hot dogs.

(no subject)

Date: 2023-10-05 03:27 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Haven't you heard?

"You will eat ze bugs!"

Klaus Schwab's Doppelganger

HCl to the rescue

Date: 2023-10-05 01:19 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] homeopathic_meditations
Well, the main component of gastric acid is hydrocloric acid. According to Wikipedia, our stomach is so acid (pH: 1.5-2.0) that our species' evolutionary path may have included a non trivial stint as scavengers. This is serious business and you can expect practically all flesh you eat to turn into a generic proteic soup. And all the inner lining of the tract consist of several layers of protective cells whose job is to keep stuff moving forwards and not spill around. Of course this can fail and does fail, but it is not as if this is the first time in the history of Animal kingdom that individuals have to survive consuming food of less than pristine quality.

Now, if you have some sort of lesion in the upper track of the digestive system (e.g. bad gums), you might be running some risk to exposure in that way.

(no subject)

Date: 2023-10-05 03:49 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Is there much risk of CJD "Mad Cow" eating animals with this? That's what I want to know.

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Date: 2023-10-05 08:33 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Good question. Very good question.

(no subject)

Date: 2023-10-05 01:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] methylethyl
I don't think we know yet.

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Date: 2023-10-05 02:12 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
This is one of the things I was talking about when I said it isn't risk free. How big of a risk, though, I'm sorry to say I can't even guess. Given it takes 4-5 years from exposure to symptoms, and there's no accepted test other than a postmortem brain examination, even if it is, it's doubtful anyone has noticed it yet.

In a few years though, things could get very, very, very ugly....
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