Magic Monday
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The picture? I'm working my way through photos of my lineage, focusing on the teachers whose work has influenced me and the teachers who influenced them in turn. I'm currently tracing my Martinist lineage. That's rendered complex by the Martinist tradition that one does not name one's initiator, so we'll have to go back via slightly less evasive routes. The last two honorees, Constant Chevillon and Robert Ambelain, both received part of their many lineages from this week's honoree, Jean Bricaud. Bricaud was a student of Papus and a leading figure in the French Martinist movement, as well as a major figure in the French Gnostic church of the time. He became head of the Martinist Order on Papus' death in 1916, and played a significant role in many other alternative spiritual scenes of the time. He died in 1934.
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Red bags; GFS Initiation
Date: 2023-07-03 04:55 am (UTC)No replies up yet, and you‘re in a creative mood - I hope that bears well both for the amount of sleep you got, and for your next book(s)… ;-)
Thanks, as always, for having us over today and patiently answering all the questions. I really learn a lot each week, and treasure this space very much.
A few questions today, if I may (however many you feel ready to answer):
About the red bags and jars with salt/nail:
1. Is it advisable to wear them/put them up all the time, or would this be too much? Or, in other words, does the „occult immune system“ need some training, and constant „disinfection“ isn‘t healthy either?
2. I presume there is some (healthy) energy exchange e.g. between close couples or between parents and their children. Does a red bag suppress or prevent this? Could wearing such a bag lead to issues in that regard?
3. Since a lot of people don‘t even seem to be aware that they are drawing energy from other people: How does one notice? Does this directly correlate with e.g. drawing attention or time, being needy, being dependent, etc? Or are there other, less obvious, cues to look out for in oneself?
And about the GSF Initiation and lodge:
4. In the initiation, there is a composition of place, but no un-composition. One second, you‘re in the grove, and the next second, you‘re back in the lodge, just like that. Does that have a specific reason, or did it just happen to end up that way?
5. Why is the lodge closing done in the same order as the opening, and not in reverse? I.e. why doesn‘t one „unroll“ things in reverse order?
Thanks, and if you and your wife would have them, my blessings to both of you - may you have a healthy, enjoyable and productive week!
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Date: 2023-07-03 05:11 am (UTC)2) A red bag amulet would interfere with this.
3) It takes practice, but one useful hint is to watch what happens when you're alone for a while. If you start feeling depleted, and perk up suddenly when you get near another person, you may be parasitizing them.
4) So that the composition flows into the astral structure of the lodge itself.
5) What a fine theme for meditation! ;-)
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From:Personal Spiritual Path and Religious Organizations
Date: 2023-07-03 05:07 am (UTC)For my fellow Americans, a very happy Fourth of July. For everyone else in the northern hemisphere, a happy early-mid summer. For anyone in the southern hemisphere, I hope whatever stuff you're up to is good :)
To Share: A more personal post from me this time, I talk through my own spiritual path: https://jpowellrussell.com/#how_i_came_to_believe_what_i_do
To Ask: I'm thinking a lot about the role of religion in today's America, and into the future. I'm especially interested in the role of religious organizations. I feel like we all understand the role churches play/have played in the West and in America, but I'd be especially interested in hearing any thoughts on what other religious organizations may have been like/may be like today - for JMG or the commentariat.
As always, thanks very much to JMG and everyone else here for all that you do.
To any who will have them, I put forth my blessings and best wishes,
Jeff
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From:Temple technology and Kozyrev devices
Date: 2023-07-03 05:56 am (UTC)I have stumbled across some material that may be relevant to your studies of temple technologies--
The book reference is:
Kaznacheev VP, Trofimov AV. Cosmic Consciousness of Humanity; Problems of New Cosmology. Elendis Progress Publishers, Tomsk, Russia, 1992.
Chapter: Part II, 2, 1. At Thracian Gods. Expedition through Sanctuary Places of Bulgaria. Pg. 75.
The chapter describes experiments in an ancient sanctuary of the goddess Kabile in Bulgaria, from about 1000 BCE. It has magnetic anomalies in the rocks which, when you pass along the passages cut into the stones, induce changes in consciousness that allowed transmission of images from a person in the Kabile sanctuary to another person in Novosibirsk (Siberia).
This has something to do with Kozyrev mirror devices. I don't understand much of it, but thought you might want to look into this, since a team of researchers apparently figured out how to use some of the special features of an ancient temple.
Do you, or do any readers, know about this or have comments about it?
Has anyone tried a Kozyrev mirror device?
Thanks for any information you may have about it!
Anyone interested can download a copy here:
https://kupdf.net/queue/cosmic-consciousness-of-humanity-problems-of-new-cosmogony-vpkaznacheev-v-trofimov-_5b171606e2b6f5ef68b78ba2_pdf?queue_id=-1&x=1688362911&z=MjQuNjcuMzcuMjc=
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Date: 2023-07-03 06:35 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-03 06:20 am (UTC)Anyways, hello JMG. Thank you for hosting Magic Mondays.
Here's my red bag amulet question. HOW does it work? On an etheric plane? On an astral plane? Do I have to be in the presence of a "well-wisher" for it to work?
Kirsten
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Date: 2023-07-03 06:20 am (UTC)1) With regard to using planetary days and hours for important activities, should I make more use of my better placed planets (Mars and Jupiter) even if they don't correspond as closely to the activities? (Many things I do are probably Hermes related)
2) I suspect I am overthinking some things and using planetary timing where not necessary. I have sometimes ended up with a build up of things to do at certain times on a Wednesday with a waxing moon, not got round to all of them and left things which are less urgent, but would still be better done sooner, and waited two weeks. Example, subscribing to an educational website for something I'm studying, which I wanted to use regularly as soon as I became aware of it.
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Date: 2023-07-03 06:40 am (UTC)2) That's a common bad habit of people who've just found out about planetary hours! With practice you'll learn when something's important enough to need that planetary boost.
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Date: 2023-07-03 06:36 am (UTC)If the mental body is our first 'permanent' body does that mean it stays in the same polarity (male/female) as it was in our last incarnation?
How do you know when there are no more repressed emotions in your physical body? Can you even reach this point as an 'average' person?
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Date: 2023-07-03 06:42 am (UTC)2) Not really. The permanent bodies don't have to go through death and rebirth to change polarity.
3) Maybe such a paragon exists somewhere, but I've never met one. I'd say don't worry about it; clear away the blocked emotions you can manage, knowing that more will probably surface later.
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From:Out of copyright book resource
Date: 2023-07-03 07:37 am (UTC)no questions just now, just wanted to share this site with you and the commentariat, in case you weren't aware of it.
It's the work of one Englishwoman who has been uploading electronic versions of out of copyright books to an ever increasing online library. Crucially, the library includes a large collection of Occult books, including a few hidden gems...
https://www.globalgreyebooks.com/category/ebooks/occult-page-1.html
Manuel
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Date: 2023-07-03 08:30 am (UTC)Im looking for a good books about European alchemy and energy magic with European background. Any recomendations?
Have a wonderfull day
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Date: 2023-07-03 08:35 am (UTC)Hello JMG!
I don't know if this belongs to your expertise and knowledge but I am looking for sources that will help the western reader understand and enter the occult world of Hinduism. It would be wonderful if you could recommend a book to me.
And a question from a friend of mine who is not here. What is your opinion on chaos magic (from the Carolla school). Can it be called , "effective" magic?
Best wishes
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Date: 2023-07-03 06:32 pm (UTC)2) Your friend reminds me of a once-famous poem:
"Last night I saw upon the stair,
A little man who wasn't there.
He wasn't there again today.
Oh, how I wish he'd go away!"
In answer to your friend's question, I'm not a fan. I read Carroll's Liber Null and Psychonaut when it was first published in 1987, and I also read its primary inspiration, the appendix on magic in Shea and Wilson's Illuminatus! trilogy, back in the 1970s. Every so often somebody comes up with something like this, a version of magic that's been stripped of everything offensive to modern materialist thinking; it's always very popular for a while, precisely because it doesn't challenge the conventional wisdom of its time, and so -- since such projects are always portrayed as radical, cutting-edge, rebellious, and exciting -- they allow people to pretend to be edgy while conforming to the official beliefs of their time. Some people apparently get good results from chaos magic; I find it resembles lite beer, compared to the good robust brown ale of more traditional approaches.
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Date: 2023-07-03 08:38 am (UTC)To share: if you wonder what abbreviations used in Magic Monday mean (like APG, PoW, or EDEM), the list of abbreviations might interest you.
To ask: my experiment with wearing the red bag from the FAQ is interesting. It seems to reduce the drain I feel when reading news or when talking to certain people. So I'm curious to learn more about the red bag.
What tradition does the red bag come from? Where can I read more about it?
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Date: 2023-07-03 06:33 pm (UTC)abbreviations
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Date: 2023-07-03 08:51 am (UTC)I wanted to ask - in the Druid Magic Handbook, each of the 8 stations has an emblem - a circle of candles, a crown, a silver branch - and so on. I was wandering how these were obtained - are they references to stories, obtained though scrying or meditation, or some other source?
I see how Ceridwen's emblem would be a cauldron - but why a circle of candles for Imbolc / Ana?
(The same question goes for the associated "Inner Place" of each Station, I suppose!)
All the best,
- Brigyn
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Date: 2023-07-03 04:46 pm (UTC)I'm not JMG so please excuse my interjecting. I was reading that section recently too, and wondered if it was simply the association of illuminating a cavern in the earth (the inner place) and/or illuminating the a dark part of the year?
JH
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Date: 2023-07-03 09:21 am (UTC)I hope you are all healthy and that you had a good weekend!
Thanks for this space!
1. Based on what principles was the association between the divine names in Hebrew and the sephirot made? I guess it wasn't a random association.
2. Likewise the Archangels and angels.
3. And why exactly the use of Psalms to invoke the Divine Names when these names are present in other parts of the Bible such as Genesis and Exodus.
4. Would just visualization, meditation and repetition of the names bring consistent results? (this question came to me while typing the question...)
Thank you very much!
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Date: 2023-07-03 06:36 pm (UTC)4) You'd need to experiment and find out!
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From:Astral travel history and dangers
Date: 2023-07-03 09:36 am (UTC)Essentially, it seems that both governments actively encouraged astral travel for various means, including warfare, but that chillingly, the amount of travelers awoke something ancient and nasty from the past, a name I won't repeat, which began killing people or trapping them whilst out of body.
It also seems that both governments became aware of the dangers, and rapidly closed down their programmes and actively censored the astral travel methodology that was in circulation at the time.
This all occurred around the time of the rise of the arch skeptics and angry atheists, and it has me wondering if that movement originally began as a psyop literally because of the dangers of the astral at that time. I can see that being a tactic employed by a desperate CIA and Pentagon to shut down a portal they were losing control of.
It's a chilling read actually, but a side of history I thought needed to be shared.
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Date: 2023-07-03 05:21 pm (UTC)The article strikes me as writtn not so much to inform as to titillate and chill.
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Date: 2023-07-03 09:57 am (UTC)Thank you for all you do. I hope you will agree to comment on a reading, on a banal but important issue. We have committed some money to a trip and are getting alarmed that the weather forecast is worsening. We must decide soon whether to cancel or risk losing the money we have paid. I asked the oracle "what will happen if we go ahead with the trip" and received the following:
1st House Puella/ 2.Amissio/ 3.Fortuna Minor/ 4.Amissio/ 5.Via/ 6.Albus/ 7.Puer /8.Laetitia/9.Tristitia /10.Conjunctio /11.Puer/ 12.Acquisitio.
The Judge is Via, The First Witness Caput Draconis, the Second Witness is Laetitia and the Reconciler is Rubeus.
To my inexpert eye it doesn't look a very positive chart. The journey is quite a short one (less than one hundred miles.)
Apologies for such a banal question.
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Date: 2023-07-03 10:20 am (UTC)It seems most magic/ritual practices these days use either The Golden Dawn or Wicca as their foundation. This is hard for me to fully grasp, that a group in 1 country that broke up over 100 years ago, that only lasted a 2-3 decades, during a time so different from our own, still holds such a foundational purpose for so much, instead of just being one of many groups that passed through history. You do a great job explaining this in the Introduction in your Celtic Golden Dawn book, but I still have trouble fully comprehending the concept.
In any case, it seems the Lesser Ritual of the Pentagram ritual or some form of it, acts as a foundation for many other ritual practices, I believe even in Wicca/Neo-Pagan type groups like clearing the 4 corners of the circle, or something. I know, circles don't have corners. My guess is this is solely a creation of the Golden Dawn in the 19th Century.
If the Golden Dawn and Wicca never existed, what do you think the standard opening and closing temple ceremonies (or any use of the Lesser Pentagram Ritual) would be like today, which in turn other ritual practices would be founded on?
This line of thinking also makes me wonder how people would be approaching the Kaballah today outside of Judaism, with no Golden Dawn Qabalah modification. And then it makes me wonder, if the Golden Dawn and Wicca never existed, how would magic in general be practiced today?
Anyway, hope you are having a great day!
Thank you!
Jeremy
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Date: 2023-07-03 10:50 am (UTC)As I read Plummer's book, (and some of the back in forth in the comments following your post) the phrase "valid apostolic succession." frequently appears. I have to wonder why this is considered important. Is it not analogous to bragging about having at least one branch in one's family tree trace back to ancient royalty? Quakers traditionally don't care about apostolic succession or even ordination, so this egalitarian background no doubt contributes to my confusion.
And I hope this question does not come across as disrespectful of the tradition. It's just that as the length of the chain (and the number of possible paths) tracing back to the original apostles continue to grow, it seems that by simple geometric progression, the number of possible paths to "valid apostolic succession" would increase tremendously and thus become less significant. Why does the idea still hold such importance, especially in a church that stresses independent, personal gnosis, not obedience to a set of rules allegedly tracing back to the year 32 AD? If I understand correctly, gnosis is not something handed down like a spiritual baton, which is how I'm stuck in thinking about apostolic succession. Thank you JMG.
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Date: 2023-07-03 07:31 pm (UTC)Quakers, like so many of the movements that came out of the radical end of the Reformation, rejected apostolic succession and traditional ceremonial because it was so deeply tangled up in the power trips of the early modern Papacy and church hierarchy. That's understandable, but from a perspective within the independent sacramental movement (ISM), they threw out a treasure because they didn't like what had been done with the box that contains it. The whole point of the ISM is that it's possible to restore apostolic succession and the sacraments to what, from a Gnostic perspective, they once were: channels of power and blessing instituted by the Divine to assist us in the work of attaining gnosis.
Religion or set of ethical beliefs?
Date: 2023-07-03 11:03 am (UTC)There seems to be a scale with one side being "act how I tell you to act" and the other side being "worship and honor the god/gods/goddess/goddesses." Religions fall all along the scale. Does this make sense to you, or is my understanding off?
This has been on my mind a lot because the secular religions, like Branch Covidian, cares about how you act and what you do and you only occasionally have to bow down and declare pharma financed guys in white coats infallible gods. In fact, best not to worship or meditate on those white coated gods because if you even look a little, you will see the lies. Surprising to me, a fairly unreligious person, I find myself looking for something that provides for worship and meditation. I think that Christianity once had a more worshipful side, especially in the monastic tradition, but where is that today? All the organized religions I am familiar with are over on the "do what we tell you" side of the scale. Was there a time when worship was more of a thing or has religion always been just a way to control the population? Thanks, just looking for your thoughts because I respect your views on religion and faith.
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Date: 2023-07-03 12:44 pm (UTC)I have a question about the place of austerities in the grand scheme of human incarnations: Since austerities are, to varying degrees a part of religions, the importance of austerities partly depending on the kind of religious sensibility to which a particular religion belongs, the question is: Are they generally something which souls do in their later human incarnations or are they something which certain souls in their later incarnations do, and others do not, depending on the character of the soul?
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Date: 2023-07-03 12:48 pm (UTC)I have a question about invoking deities in the SOP. Could you explain what it means to invoke "in the name of" a deity, including vibrating the name? I don't think 9 deities are actually showing up every time I do the SOP. And I'm actually invoking the element, right? So what does the name of a deity add to that?
Also, a minor question I've been meaning to ask: would pickling salt work in the various uses of salt for cleansing and purification? It has no additives. It's a fairly fine grind. It's also inexpensive, available everywhere, and I have a box in my pantry already.
Thanks very much.
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Date: 2023-07-03 07:36 pm (UTC)2) If it's pure salt, it should work just fine.
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Date: 2023-07-03 12:53 pm (UTC)I'm persisting in spite of it and find it curious. Could this outside influence, whatever it is, be reacting tp displacement by the banishing rituals? Has anyone else observed anything like this? Thanks for hosting these Q&As.
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Date: 2023-07-03 07:43 pm (UTC)FHR Tarot and MOE
Date: 2023-07-03 02:02 pm (UTC)I hope you had a great weekend and will have a Happy 4th of July.
1. Is there an existing map for the FHR regarding tarot and the paths the cards correspond with? Or is this err... an excellent theme for meditation?
2. To clarify, to take the MOE Master Healer attunement, you do not study the Gnostic lessons? That is done for the Master Teacher grade, correct?
As always thank you for this space.
Best Regards,
Ian
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Date: 2023-07-03 07:44 pm (UTC)2) You can study the Gnostic Lessons any time you wish; John Gilbert encouraged complete beginners to study them. You must complete them before you become a Master Teacher, but how soon you do that is up to you.
Changing luck
Date: 2023-07-03 02:51 pm (UTC)A great deal of SE Asian magic involves talismans or rituals to change ones luck, to improve the occurrence of serendipitous events in ones life.
As far as I know from your books, Western magic seems to be more about effecting specific outcomes, eg obtaining a job, finding a lover etc. If one wanted to improve ones luck with Western magic (I am familiar with your work and Golden Dawn material), how would one go about this? Is it even a thing in the WMT?
Thanks,
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Date: 2023-07-03 02:56 pm (UTC)After reading The Witch of Criswell, and hearing you say all the magic there is real, I have been wondering something. I had worn a silver protective necklace since I was a child. In 2020 around the time a witchy woman started hanging out with me the necklace kept coming undone and falling off my neck. Eventually I gave up trying to wear it.
Shortly after that all of a sudden I became obsessed thinking about her, and about a week later out of the blue she said she wanted to be in a relationship with me. It was an emotional roller coaster. We broke up but I still couldn’t stop thinking about her every second that I wasn’t focused on something else. One night after attacking myself in my sleep, (I put it down to ptsd from over a decade in a warzone,) I decided to try your sphere of protection spell to see if that would help. I did it at the end of each day, and I did stop attacking myself at night. However, on your recommendation I decided to switch to doing it first thing. Shockingly I found that the moment I finished the SOP in the morning time, I stopped thinking about the woman, and haven't had a longing for her since.
I never told her about the SOP, or my obsessive thoughts, or the ceasing of them, but since that day I have never heard from her again, and in the 10 months since that day she has never posted anything on any social media, and other people who had known us have also not heard from her. After reading your book I have been wondering if I might have been the target of some kind of spell, and that the silver necklace falling off just before the obsession started and her disappearance after the switch to the morning SOP were not coincidental. Is this possible? Do spells like this exist? And if so am I protected now with the morning SOP? Or should I take other measures if I find myself in a similar situation down the road?
Thank you
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From:Reincarnation Questions
Date: 2023-07-03 03:10 pm (UTC)In the HOGD, once a being reaches a human incarnation, do they no longer ever go “back” to an animal or plant?
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With Love Jill C
Re: Reincarnation Questions
Date: 2023-07-03 07:51 pm (UTC)2) That's a subject about which GD writers disagreed. Some said yes, some no.
Re: Reincarnation Questions
From: (Anonymous) - Date: 2023-07-03 10:16 pm (UTC) - ExpandRe: Reincarnation Questions
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Date: 2023-07-03 03:56 pm (UTC)—Princess Cutekitten
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Date: 2023-07-03 07:52 pm (UTC)