Magic Monday
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The picture? I'm working my way through photos of my lineage, focusing on the teachers whose work has influenced me and the teachers who influenced them in turn. I'm currently tracing my Martinist lineage. That's rendered complex by the Martinist tradition that one does not name one's initiator, so we'll have to go back via slightly less evasive routes. The last two honorees, Constant Chevillon and Robert Ambelain, both received part of their many lineages from this week's honoree, Jean Bricaud. Bricaud was a student of Papus and a leading figure in the French Martinist movement, as well as a major figure in the French Gnostic church of the time. He became head of the Martinist Order on Papus' death in 1916, and played a significant role in many other alternative spiritual scenes of the time. He died in 1934.
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Red bags; GFS Initiation
Date: 2023-07-03 04:55 am (UTC)No replies up yet, and you‘re in a creative mood - I hope that bears well both for the amount of sleep you got, and for your next book(s)… ;-)
Thanks, as always, for having us over today and patiently answering all the questions. I really learn a lot each week, and treasure this space very much.
A few questions today, if I may (however many you feel ready to answer):
About the red bags and jars with salt/nail:
1. Is it advisable to wear them/put them up all the time, or would this be too much? Or, in other words, does the „occult immune system“ need some training, and constant „disinfection“ isn‘t healthy either?
2. I presume there is some (healthy) energy exchange e.g. between close couples or between parents and their children. Does a red bag suppress or prevent this? Could wearing such a bag lead to issues in that regard?
3. Since a lot of people don‘t even seem to be aware that they are drawing energy from other people: How does one notice? Does this directly correlate with e.g. drawing attention or time, being needy, being dependent, etc? Or are there other, less obvious, cues to look out for in oneself?
And about the GSF Initiation and lodge:
4. In the initiation, there is a composition of place, but no un-composition. One second, you‘re in the grove, and the next second, you‘re back in the lodge, just like that. Does that have a specific reason, or did it just happen to end up that way?
5. Why is the lodge closing done in the same order as the opening, and not in reverse? I.e. why doesn‘t one „unroll“ things in reverse order?
Thanks, and if you and your wife would have them, my blessings to both of you - may you have a healthy, enjoyable and productive week!
Milkyway
Re: Red bags; GFS Initiation
Date: 2023-07-03 05:11 am (UTC)2) A red bag amulet would interfere with this.
3) It takes practice, but one useful hint is to watch what happens when you're alone for a while. If you start feeling depleted, and perk up suddenly when you get near another person, you may be parasitizing them.
4) So that the composition flows into the astral structure of the lodge itself.
5) What a fine theme for meditation! ;-)
Re: Red bags; GFS Initiation
Date: 2023-07-03 07:23 am (UTC)Re: Red bags; GFS Initiation
Date: 2023-07-03 01:07 pm (UTC)2) The jars in the house/flat corners would be less problematic then, I presume, at least as long as no people significantly close live elsewhere?
5) Harumph. Could‘ve seen this coming, of course. (I‘ll be back if it still doesn‘t make sense, though!! ;-) ).
Milkyway
Re: Red bags; GFS Initiation
Date: 2023-07-03 06:10 pm (UTC)Re: Red bags; GFS Initiation
Date: 2023-07-03 02:48 pm (UTC)3) If you have the opposite problem, where being around other people consistently depletes you, does this mean you're... leaking energy? If so are there ways to counteract this?
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Date: 2023-07-03 06:12 pm (UTC)Re: Red bags; GFS Initiation
Date: 2023-07-03 08:42 am (UTC)Working out the same question! I'm currently wearing it only when I expect negative interactions. There's a lot of that currently, so I'm wearing it a lot. So far it seems to have a beneficial effect.
Curious to learn what your experience will bring!
Personal Spiritual Path and Religious Organizations
Date: 2023-07-03 05:07 am (UTC)For my fellow Americans, a very happy Fourth of July. For everyone else in the northern hemisphere, a happy early-mid summer. For anyone in the southern hemisphere, I hope whatever stuff you're up to is good :)
To Share: A more personal post from me this time, I talk through my own spiritual path: https://jpowellrussell.com/#how_i_came_to_believe_what_i_do
To Ask: I'm thinking a lot about the role of religion in today's America, and into the future. I'm especially interested in the role of religious organizations. I feel like we all understand the role churches play/have played in the West and in America, but I'd be especially interested in hearing any thoughts on what other religious organizations may have been like/may be like today - for JMG or the commentariat.
As always, thanks very much to JMG and everyone else here for all that you do.
To any who will have them, I put forth my blessings and best wishes,
Jeff
Re: Personal Spiritual Path and Religious Organizations
Date: 2023-07-03 05:13 am (UTC)Re: Personal Spiritual Path and Religious Organizations
Date: 2023-07-04 01:04 am (UTC)I knew exactly what she meant because I’m finding it fills that role for me too (though I’m less involved than she is, she’s also active on the state level)
Re: Personal Spiritual Path and Religious Organizations
Date: 2023-07-03 09:19 pm (UTC)In the groups had a very tribal spirit, which to my mind is very suggestive of "tamanous" does JMG has described it. Egalitarian, but with charismatic leaders dominating. A fission-fusion structure, like hunter-gatherer bands. An emphasis on personal spiritual experience. And strongly supportive networks formed among the members, who routinely found each other places to live, jobs, and so on.
To my mind it's a very American form of spirituality, democratic, egalitarian, franchisable, puritanical, bibliolatrous (every program has its Big Book). It has its drawbacks, but I can see a modified form of the 12 Step program having a big influence on the religions of the future on this continent, and I hope that it will.
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Date: 2023-07-04 01:56 am (UTC)Re: Personal Spiritual Path and Religious Organizations
Date: 2023-07-04 01:07 am (UTC)Hi Jeff, there is a chapter called "Two Hundred Years of Masonry" in this history of Long Island, which may be of interest.
https://archive.org/details/boroughsofbrookl01haze/page/323/mode/1up
lavender
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Date: 2023-07-04 02:14 am (UTC)Temple technology and Kozyrev devices
Date: 2023-07-03 05:56 am (UTC)I have stumbled across some material that may be relevant to your studies of temple technologies--
The book reference is:
Kaznacheev VP, Trofimov AV. Cosmic Consciousness of Humanity; Problems of New Cosmology. Elendis Progress Publishers, Tomsk, Russia, 1992.
Chapter: Part II, 2, 1. At Thracian Gods. Expedition through Sanctuary Places of Bulgaria. Pg. 75.
The chapter describes experiments in an ancient sanctuary of the goddess Kabile in Bulgaria, from about 1000 BCE. It has magnetic anomalies in the rocks which, when you pass along the passages cut into the stones, induce changes in consciousness that allowed transmission of images from a person in the Kabile sanctuary to another person in Novosibirsk (Siberia).
This has something to do with Kozyrev mirror devices. I don't understand much of it, but thought you might want to look into this, since a team of researchers apparently figured out how to use some of the special features of an ancient temple.
Do you, or do any readers, know about this or have comments about it?
Has anyone tried a Kozyrev mirror device?
Thanks for any information you may have about it!
Anyone interested can download a copy here:
https://kupdf.net/queue/cosmic-consciousness-of-humanity-problems-of-new-cosmogony-vpkaznacheev-v-trofimov-_5b171606e2b6f5ef68b78ba2_pdf?queue_id=-1&x=1688362911&z=MjQuNjcuMzcuMjc=
Re: Temple technology and Kozyrev devices
Date: 2023-07-03 06:35 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-03 06:20 am (UTC)Anyways, hello JMG. Thank you for hosting Magic Mondays.
Here's my red bag amulet question. HOW does it work? On an etheric plane? On an astral plane? Do I have to be in the presence of a "well-wisher" for it to work?
Kirsten
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Date: 2023-07-03 06:17 pm (UTC)The red bag amulet, however, involves no incantations, no prayers, nothing like that. You can perfectly well bless it with a Christian prayer, and when you put it on you can say a prayer of protection. Think of it as something not too far from fastening a seatbelt when you get into a car.
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Date: 2023-07-03 07:43 pm (UTC)—Princess Cutekitten
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Date: 2023-07-03 07:52 pm (UTC)A comment earlier you wrote that the effect was etheric. Why is it not a "specific etheric effect" in the sentence above?
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Date: 2023-07-03 08:46 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-03 06:19 pm (UTC)—Princess Cutekitten
St Benedict's medal
Date: 2023-07-03 09:11 pm (UTC)My personal experience tells me that it works (at least) on the etheric level, likely in the astral and above. Source one with good metal though, it may break/corrode when under attack otherwise. You also want to have it blessed by a knowledgeable priest too, the difference is noticeable.
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Date: 2023-07-03 06:20 am (UTC)1) With regard to using planetary days and hours for important activities, should I make more use of my better placed planets (Mars and Jupiter) even if they don't correspond as closely to the activities? (Many things I do are probably Hermes related)
2) I suspect I am overthinking some things and using planetary timing where not necessary. I have sometimes ended up with a build up of things to do at certain times on a Wednesday with a waxing moon, not got round to all of them and left things which are less urgent, but would still be better done sooner, and waited two weeks. Example, subscribing to an educational website for something I'm studying, which I wanted to use regularly as soon as I became aware of it.
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Date: 2023-07-03 06:40 am (UTC)2) That's a common bad habit of people who've just found out about planetary hours! With practice you'll learn when something's important enough to need that planetary boost.
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Date: 2023-07-03 03:43 pm (UTC)I have about a thousand irons in the fire so I haven't tried to chart out a systematic record of such things, though the idea has occurred to me.
HV
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Date: 2023-07-03 06:17 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-03 06:36 am (UTC)If the mental body is our first 'permanent' body does that mean it stays in the same polarity (male/female) as it was in our last incarnation?
How do you know when there are no more repressed emotions in your physical body? Can you even reach this point as an 'average' person?
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Date: 2023-07-03 06:42 am (UTC)2) Not really. The permanent bodies don't have to go through death and rebirth to change polarity.
3) Maybe such a paragon exists somewhere, but I've never met one. I'd say don't worry about it; clear away the blocked emotions you can manage, knowing that more will probably surface later.
polarities
Date: 2023-07-03 04:32 pm (UTC)So not only do we have humans being disconnected from the world in favour of tech and a seemingly endless stream of crazy as the humans make dubious choices, we could also be getting amplified strangeness due to changes in higher realms in addition to our own idiocy?
JMG said: "2) Not really. The permanent bodies don't have to go through death and rebirth to change polarity."
So if more rarefied bodies can use polarities in different ways, and we're getting trickle-down turbulence, might this go someway to explaining the idea of people identifying as things that they are not, but 'feel' that they are?
(i.e. Not simply a human generated craze)
Re: polarities
Date: 2023-07-03 06:21 pm (UTC)2) That's possible, but there are other factors that explain it at least as well. For example, if you don't mind some grubby details, the popularity of "shemale" pornography means that some very large number of men have been masturbating to images of women with penises -- thus charging that image with intensive sexual energy, and making it easier for impressionable men to think of themselves as women with penises.
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Date: 2023-07-03 08:58 pm (UTC)Aside from increasing the number of pedophiles, what sort of effects do you think this would have? Might this be linked to the weird desire so many people seem to have to sexualize children?
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Date: 2023-07-03 11:45 pm (UTC)Celebrities have way too many photos taken of them. It's a wonder any of them stay sane.
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Date: 2023-07-03 11:59 pm (UTC)Re: polarities
Date: 2023-07-04 02:51 am (UTC)b) Could you use this to your advantage? I'm wondering if, with their consent, it would be possible to photos of someone as an anchor of sorts to bring blessing or healing energies to them. Do you know if anyone has looked into this?
Re: polarities
Date: 2023-07-04 02:55 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-03 10:12 pm (UTC)This makes me wonder if neurodivergence like autism is something we go through on our way to building our mental bodies. I'm autistic and it led me to completing a mathematics degree in my early 20s - alongside most of cohort who were also on the spectrum somewhere. If I wasn't a social recluse who is little interested in mainstream culture I probably wouldn't have picked up meditation and my other spiritual pursuits either.
So what if it's not a 'disability' but an important stage in our evolution?
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Date: 2023-07-03 10:15 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2023-07-04 01:56 am (UTC)Out of copyright book resource
Date: 2023-07-03 07:37 am (UTC)no questions just now, just wanted to share this site with you and the commentariat, in case you weren't aware of it.
It's the work of one Englishwoman who has been uploading electronic versions of out of copyright books to an ever increasing online library. Crucially, the library includes a large collection of Occult books, including a few hidden gems...
https://www.globalgreyebooks.com/category/ebooks/occult-page-1.html
Manuel
Re: Out of copyright book resource
Date: 2023-07-03 06:22 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-03 08:30 am (UTC)Im looking for a good books about European alchemy and energy magic with European background. Any recomendations?
Have a wonderfull day
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Date: 2023-07-03 08:35 am (UTC)Hello JMG!
I don't know if this belongs to your expertise and knowledge but I am looking for sources that will help the western reader understand and enter the occult world of Hinduism. It would be wonderful if you could recommend a book to me.
And a question from a friend of mine who is not here. What is your opinion on chaos magic (from the Carolla school). Can it be called , "effective" magic?
Best wishes
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Date: 2023-07-03 06:32 pm (UTC)2) Your friend reminds me of a once-famous poem:
"Last night I saw upon the stair,
A little man who wasn't there.
He wasn't there again today.
Oh, how I wish he'd go away!"
In answer to your friend's question, I'm not a fan. I read Carroll's Liber Null and Psychonaut when it was first published in 1987, and I also read its primary inspiration, the appendix on magic in Shea and Wilson's Illuminatus! trilogy, back in the 1970s. Every so often somebody comes up with something like this, a version of magic that's been stripped of everything offensive to modern materialist thinking; it's always very popular for a while, precisely because it doesn't challenge the conventional wisdom of its time, and so -- since such projects are always portrayed as radical, cutting-edge, rebellious, and exciting -- they allow people to pretend to be edgy while conforming to the official beliefs of their time. Some people apparently get good results from chaos magic; I find it resembles lite beer, compared to the good robust brown ale of more traditional approaches.
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Date: 2023-07-03 07:18 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-03 08:49 pm (UTC)The Occult World of Hinduism
Date: 2023-07-03 08:56 pm (UTC)For a deep and authentic guide to Hinduism (esoteric and otherwise), I recommend Dr. Edwin Bryant (his website at Rutgers contains lots of free lectures and courses.)
He also just completed a course for Embodied Philosophy (another great resource) on the six schools of Vedic Philosophy.
www.edwinbryant.org
www.embodiedphilosophy.com
Hope this helps!
Jill C
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Date: 2023-07-03 10:30 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-03 08:38 am (UTC)To share: if you wonder what abbreviations used in Magic Monday mean (like APG, PoW, or EDEM), the list of abbreviations might interest you.
To ask: my experiment with wearing the red bag from the FAQ is interesting. It seems to reduce the drain I feel when reading news or when talking to certain people. So I'm curious to learn more about the red bag.
What tradition does the red bag come from? Where can I read more about it?
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Date: 2023-07-03 06:33 pm (UTC)abbreviations
Date: 2023-07-03 09:11 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-03 08:51 am (UTC)I wanted to ask - in the Druid Magic Handbook, each of the 8 stations has an emblem - a circle of candles, a crown, a silver branch - and so on. I was wandering how these were obtained - are they references to stories, obtained though scrying or meditation, or some other source?
I see how Ceridwen's emblem would be a cauldron - but why a circle of candles for Imbolc / Ana?
(The same question goes for the associated "Inner Place" of each Station, I suppose!)
All the best,
- Brigyn
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Date: 2023-07-03 04:46 pm (UTC)I'm not JMG so please excuse my interjecting. I was reading that section recently too, and wondered if it was simply the association of illuminating a cavern in the earth (the inner place) and/or illuminating the a dark part of the year?
JH
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Date: 2023-07-03 06:34 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-03 07:47 pm (UTC)Thanks!
Divine names
Date: 2023-07-03 09:21 am (UTC)I hope you are all healthy and that you had a good weekend!
Thanks for this space!
1. Based on what principles was the association between the divine names in Hebrew and the sephirot made? I guess it wasn't a random association.
2. Likewise the Archangels and angels.
3. And why exactly the use of Psalms to invoke the Divine Names when these names are present in other parts of the Bible such as Genesis and Exodus.
4. Would just visualization, meditation and repetition of the names bring consistent results? (this question came to me while typing the question...)
Thank you very much!
Re: Divine names
Date: 2023-07-03 06:36 pm (UTC)4) You'd need to experiment and find out!
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Date: 2023-07-04 02:13 am (UTC)Communication is in some respects like software engineering. What you thought you meant isn't necessarily what the process on the other end could entirely reasonably interpret you as having meant. Sometimes debugging is necessary.
Re: Divine names
Date: 2023-07-04 02:28 am (UTC)Astral travel history and dangers
Date: 2023-07-03 09:36 am (UTC)Essentially, it seems that both governments actively encouraged astral travel for various means, including warfare, but that chillingly, the amount of travelers awoke something ancient and nasty from the past, a name I won't repeat, which began killing people or trapping them whilst out of body.
It also seems that both governments became aware of the dangers, and rapidly closed down their programmes and actively censored the astral travel methodology that was in circulation at the time.
This all occurred around the time of the rise of the arch skeptics and angry atheists, and it has me wondering if that movement originally began as a psyop literally because of the dangers of the astral at that time. I can see that being a tactic employed by a desperate CIA and Pentagon to shut down a portal they were losing control of.
It's a chilling read actually, but a side of history I thought needed to be shared.
Re: Astral travel history and dangers
Date: 2023-07-03 05:21 pm (UTC)The article strikes me as writtn not so much to inform as to titillate and chill.
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Date: 2023-07-03 06:52 pm (UTC)Re: Astral travel history and dangers
Date: 2023-07-03 08:29 pm (UTC)I find the idea the Reagan Admin could have killed off all those mind control programs ludicrous given the vast amounts of US federal dark budgets especially when it comes to human subject experiments where contractual Funny Bunny Twister Games are common.
My best contacts who worked for the US Air Force insist the current US military seriously think they can control any battlefield with just electronic warfare and A.I.. Electronic warfare includes mind control technology. One thing the US military has been known for almost 200 years is brute industrialized force. If they've figured out how to achieve dominating mind control with electro/magnetic tech with or without drugs or ESP they'd do that in a heartbeat with no moral scruples whatsoever.
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Date: 2023-07-03 08:50 pm (UTC)Re: Astral travel history and dangers
Date: 2023-07-03 08:57 pm (UTC)Re: Astral travel history and dangers
Date: 2023-07-03 11:14 pm (UTC)As for Ukraine battles, I listen to the shifting stories from DC about why the USA is involved there. First it was to prop up a "democracy," then to "weaken" the Russians, and now who nows why truly given the head of Ukraine just announced no more elections until he wins the war. Perhaps just a big write-off of old military equipment to grease the rials to buy newer stuff?
As for Afghanistan, I know a lot who served on the ground there from the start of US involvement, at least one who also served the USA during the Soviet battles. Terrains full of caves and lots of different tribes already at each others throats reminded me a lot of the old American 13 Colonies full of forest with American rebel sharpshooters lurking in the trees of their home ground as the British Redcoats and their equally well-uniformed mercenaries marched through, A bizarro guerrilla war terrain when any invader with too much hubris, like the Old British Army in the 13 Colonies or Afghanistan, could get delayed fairly easily.
Re: Astral travel history and dangers
Date: 2023-07-04 02:02 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-03 09:57 am (UTC)Thank you for all you do. I hope you will agree to comment on a reading, on a banal but important issue. We have committed some money to a trip and are getting alarmed that the weather forecast is worsening. We must decide soon whether to cancel or risk losing the money we have paid. I asked the oracle "what will happen if we go ahead with the trip" and received the following:
1st House Puella/ 2.Amissio/ 3.Fortuna Minor/ 4.Amissio/ 5.Via/ 6.Albus/ 7.Puer /8.Laetitia/9.Tristitia /10.Conjunctio /11.Puer/ 12.Acquisitio.
The Judge is Via, The First Witness Caput Draconis, the Second Witness is Laetitia and the Reconciler is Rubeus.
To my inexpert eye it doesn't look a very positive chart. The journey is quite a short one (less than one hundred miles.)
Apologies for such a banal question.
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Date: 2023-07-03 06:54 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-03 07:38 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-03 10:20 am (UTC)It seems most magic/ritual practices these days use either The Golden Dawn or Wicca as their foundation. This is hard for me to fully grasp, that a group in 1 country that broke up over 100 years ago, that only lasted a 2-3 decades, during a time so different from our own, still holds such a foundational purpose for so much, instead of just being one of many groups that passed through history. You do a great job explaining this in the Introduction in your Celtic Golden Dawn book, but I still have trouble fully comprehending the concept.
In any case, it seems the Lesser Ritual of the Pentagram ritual or some form of it, acts as a foundation for many other ritual practices, I believe even in Wicca/Neo-Pagan type groups like clearing the 4 corners of the circle, or something. I know, circles don't have corners. My guess is this is solely a creation of the Golden Dawn in the 19th Century.
If the Golden Dawn and Wicca never existed, what do you think the standard opening and closing temple ceremonies (or any use of the Lesser Pentagram Ritual) would be like today, which in turn other ritual practices would be founded on?
This line of thinking also makes me wonder how people would be approaching the Kaballah today outside of Judaism, with no Golden Dawn Qabalah modification. And then it makes me wonder, if the Golden Dawn and Wicca never existed, how would magic in general be practiced today?
Anyway, hope you are having a great day!
Thank you!
Jeremy
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Date: 2023-07-03 05:59 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-03 07:18 pm (UTC)The division of the circle into four quarters -- not "corners" -- is found in Western occultism from early Greek times onward, and it's also common in many other parts of the world; for example, the Native American medicine wheel is similarly structured.
As for what would have happened if the Golden Dawn hadn't been founded, why, one of the dozens of other magical orders active at the same time, using very similar kinds of magic, would have filled the same role. The GD simply happened to be the one that most people borrowed from, and that's because its magic is very effective and tolerably easy to learn and use. I can't speak for Wicca, as I'm not into that; I gather that it's a popular source of inspiration because it was so popular in late 20th century America and so it's a convenient place to start. Again, though, there were other movements in the same direction that would likely have filled the same role.
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Date: 2023-07-03 07:31 pm (UTC)I assumed the whole Hermetic Qaballah/Tarot/tracing pentagrams/Neo-Egyptian system was exclusively Golden Dawn, the way they mashed it all together in a workable system. Is that wrong? Almost all magic today stems from Golden Dawn, so you said another group would have taken hold, but what do you think that would have been like? Maybe I'm not explaining myself well. I am trying to imagine what it's like outside this Golden Dawn/Wicca paradigm it seems we are all stuck inside.
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Date: 2023-07-03 07:40 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-03 10:50 am (UTC)As I read Plummer's book, (and some of the back in forth in the comments following your post) the phrase "valid apostolic succession." frequently appears. I have to wonder why this is considered important. Is it not analogous to bragging about having at least one branch in one's family tree trace back to ancient royalty? Quakers traditionally don't care about apostolic succession or even ordination, so this egalitarian background no doubt contributes to my confusion.
And I hope this question does not come across as disrespectful of the tradition. It's just that as the length of the chain (and the number of possible paths) tracing back to the original apostles continue to grow, it seems that by simple geometric progression, the number of possible paths to "valid apostolic succession" would increase tremendously and thus become less significant. Why does the idea still hold such importance, especially in a church that stresses independent, personal gnosis, not obedience to a set of rules allegedly tracing back to the year 32 AD? If I understand correctly, gnosis is not something handed down like a spiritual baton, which is how I'm stuck in thinking about apostolic succession. Thank you JMG.
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Date: 2023-07-03 07:31 pm (UTC)Quakers, like so many of the movements that came out of the radical end of the Reformation, rejected apostolic succession and traditional ceremonial because it was so deeply tangled up in the power trips of the early modern Papacy and church hierarchy. That's understandable, but from a perspective within the independent sacramental movement (ISM), they threw out a treasure because they didn't like what had been done with the box that contains it. The whole point of the ISM is that it's possible to restore apostolic succession and the sacraments to what, from a Gnostic perspective, they once were: channels of power and blessing instituted by the Divine to assist us in the work of attaining gnosis.
Religion or set of ethical beliefs?
Date: 2023-07-03 11:03 am (UTC)There seems to be a scale with one side being "act how I tell you to act" and the other side being "worship and honor the god/gods/goddess/goddesses." Religions fall all along the scale. Does this make sense to you, or is my understanding off?
This has been on my mind a lot because the secular religions, like Branch Covidian, cares about how you act and what you do and you only occasionally have to bow down and declare pharma financed guys in white coats infallible gods. In fact, best not to worship or meditate on those white coated gods because if you even look a little, you will see the lies. Surprising to me, a fairly unreligious person, I find myself looking for something that provides for worship and meditation. I think that Christianity once had a more worshipful side, especially in the monastic tradition, but where is that today? All the organized religions I am familiar with are over on the "do what we tell you" side of the scale. Was there a time when worship was more of a thing or has religion always been just a way to control the population? Thanks, just looking for your thoughts because I respect your views on religion and faith.
Re: Religion or set of ethical beliefs?
Date: 2023-07-03 07:34 pm (UTC)Re: Religion or set of ethical beliefs?
Date: 2023-07-03 11:06 pm (UTC)I'm not the Original Poster, but I would like to piggy-back on this question if I may. I'm an Anglo-Catholic occultist looking for a sacramental church which focuses more on worship and meditation than on moralism or political activism as the means of salvation. (To be fair, I'm all for cultivating virtue-ethics and engaging in works of charity, so long as they're voluntary). I've considered the high church end of Continuing Anglicanism, as well as certain jurisdictions within Liberal Catholicism. Do you or anyone else here have any suggestions? Anything to avoid? I've also considered the Apostolic Church of the Golden and Rosy Cross, led by Masonic scholar Piers A. Vaughan. I think he's in your neck of the woods, are you familiar with his work? Thank you so very much in advance. May the peace and blessings of the Boundless Mystery be upon you.
Sincerely,
Sanctuary of the Rose and Chalice
Re: Religion or set of ethical beliefs?
Date: 2023-07-04 02:04 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-03 12:44 pm (UTC)I have a question about the place of austerities in the grand scheme of human incarnations: Since austerities are, to varying degrees a part of religions, the importance of austerities partly depending on the kind of religious sensibility to which a particular religion belongs, the question is: Are they generally something which souls do in their later human incarnations or are they something which certain souls in their later incarnations do, and others do not, depending on the character of the soul?
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Date: 2023-07-03 07:35 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-03 07:45 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-03 12:48 pm (UTC)I have a question about invoking deities in the SOP. Could you explain what it means to invoke "in the name of" a deity, including vibrating the name? I don't think 9 deities are actually showing up every time I do the SOP. And I'm actually invoking the element, right? So what does the name of a deity add to that?
Also, a minor question I've been meaning to ask: would pickling salt work in the various uses of salt for cleansing and purification? It has no additives. It's a fairly fine grind. It's also inexpensive, available everywhere, and I have a box in my pantry already.
Thanks very much.
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Date: 2023-07-03 07:36 pm (UTC)2) If it's pure salt, it should work just fine.
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Date: 2023-07-04 12:49 am (UTC)2) Yep, the box says "Ingredients: salt."
A Sense of Opposition
Date: 2023-07-03 12:53 pm (UTC)I'm persisting in spite of it and find it curious. Could this outside influence, whatever it is, be reacting tp displacement by the banishing rituals? Has anyone else observed anything like this? Thanks for hosting these Q&As.
Re: A Sense of Opposition
Date: 2023-07-03 07:43 pm (UTC)FHR Tarot and MOE
Date: 2023-07-03 02:02 pm (UTC)I hope you had a great weekend and will have a Happy 4th of July.
1. Is there an existing map for the FHR regarding tarot and the paths the cards correspond with? Or is this err... an excellent theme for meditation?
2. To clarify, to take the MOE Master Healer attunement, you do not study the Gnostic lessons? That is done for the Master Teacher grade, correct?
As always thank you for this space.
Best Regards,
Ian
Re: FHR Tarot and MOE
Date: 2023-07-03 07:44 pm (UTC)2) You can study the Gnostic Lessons any time you wish; John Gilbert encouraged complete beginners to study them. You must complete them before you become a Master Teacher, but how soon you do that is up to you.
Changing luck
Date: 2023-07-03 02:51 pm (UTC)A great deal of SE Asian magic involves talismans or rituals to change ones luck, to improve the occurrence of serendipitous events in ones life.
As far as I know from your books, Western magic seems to be more about effecting specific outcomes, eg obtaining a job, finding a lover etc. If one wanted to improve ones luck with Western magic (I am familiar with your work and Golden Dawn material), how would one go about this? Is it even a thing in the WMT?
Thanks,
P
Re: Changing luck
Date: 2023-07-03 07:46 pm (UTC)Re: Changing luck
Date: 2023-07-04 01:17 am (UTC)Re: Changing luck
Date: 2023-07-04 02:55 am (UTC)Perhaps these concepts could be adapted. The general sense seems to be that luck is a feature of a relationship. Although things capable of providing luck by a relationship are presumably also capable of having opinions or preferences about why not to confer what a human might consider "luck" under some select circumstances.
The idea of "right order" is related to Taoist practice especially, but is also similar to religious practice in general: one hears of miracles happing around a dedicated saint or mystic without them necessarily even having been themselves aware that there was a problem for a miracle to solve. Also the Egyptian deity Ma'at is a direct personification of one version of "right order", and Neoplatonism involves the sometimes-related idea of Logos.
The Witch of Criswell
Date: 2023-07-03 02:56 pm (UTC)After reading The Witch of Criswell, and hearing you say all the magic there is real, I have been wondering something. I had worn a silver protective necklace since I was a child. In 2020 around the time a witchy woman started hanging out with me the necklace kept coming undone and falling off my neck. Eventually I gave up trying to wear it.
Shortly after that all of a sudden I became obsessed thinking about her, and about a week later out of the blue she said she wanted to be in a relationship with me. It was an emotional roller coaster. We broke up but I still couldn’t stop thinking about her every second that I wasn’t focused on something else. One night after attacking myself in my sleep, (I put it down to ptsd from over a decade in a warzone,) I decided to try your sphere of protection spell to see if that would help. I did it at the end of each day, and I did stop attacking myself at night. However, on your recommendation I decided to switch to doing it first thing. Shockingly I found that the moment I finished the SOP in the morning time, I stopped thinking about the woman, and haven't had a longing for her since.
I never told her about the SOP, or my obsessive thoughts, or the ceasing of them, but since that day I have never heard from her again, and in the 10 months since that day she has never posted anything on any social media, and other people who had known us have also not heard from her. After reading your book I have been wondering if I might have been the target of some kind of spell, and that the silver necklace falling off just before the obsession started and her disappearance after the switch to the morning SOP were not coincidental. Is this possible? Do spells like this exist? And if so am I protected now with the morning SOP? Or should I take other measures if I find myself in a similar situation down the road?
Thank you
Re: The Witch of Criswell
Date: 2023-07-03 07:47 pm (UTC)Re: The Witch of Criswell
Date: 2023-07-03 09:22 pm (UTC)This series is shaping up to become the most entertaining and enjoyable how-to collection ever!
Thanks as always,
OtterGirl
Re: The Witch of Criswell
Date: 2023-07-03 09:26 pm (UTC)Re: The Witch of Criswell
Date: 2023-07-03 10:52 pm (UTC)Re: The Witch of Criswell
Date: 2023-07-04 02:05 am (UTC)Reincarnation Questions
Date: 2023-07-03 03:10 pm (UTC)In the HOGD, once a being reaches a human incarnation, do they no longer ever go “back” to an animal or plant?
Thank you so much JMG!
With Love Jill C
Re: Reincarnation Questions
Date: 2023-07-03 07:51 pm (UTC)2) That's a subject about which GD writers disagreed. Some said yes, some no.
Re: Reincarnation Questions
Date: 2023-07-03 10:16 pm (UTC)Re: Reincarnation Questions
Date: 2023-07-03 10:19 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2023-07-03 03:56 pm (UTC)—Princess Cutekitten
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