Magic Monday
May. 14th, 2023 11:28 pm
It's getting toward midnight, so we can proceed with a new Magic Monday. Ask me anything about occultism and I'll do my best to answer it. With certain exceptions, any question received by midnight Monday Eastern time will get an answer. Please note: Any question or comment received after then will not get an answer, and in fact will just be deleted. (I've been getting an increasing number of people trying to post after these are closed, so will have to draw a harder line than before.) If you're in a hurry, or suspect you may be the 143,916th person to ask a question, please check out the very rough version 1.0 of The Magic Monday FAQ here. Also: I will not be putting through or answering any more questions about practicing magic around children. I've answered those in simple declarative sentences in the FAQ. If you read the FAQ and don't think your question has been answered, read it again. If that doesn't help, consider remedial reading classes; yes, it really is as simple and straightforward as the FAQ says. The picture? I'm working my way through photos of my lineage, focusing on the teachers whose work has influenced me and the teachers who influenced them in turn. Three weeks ago I started on the OBOD end of my lineage with past Chosen Chief Philip Carr-Gomm. Last week we got to Vera Chapman, and that brings us this week to John Hargrave of the Kindred of the Kibbo Kift. White Fox, to give him his Kin name, was a student of Ernest Thompson Seton, the Canadian artist and naturalist who founded the Woodcraft movement in 1902. The Kibbo Kift -- the name's a bit of Kentish dialect meaning "proof of great strength" -- was founded by Hargrave and a circle of Boy Scout leaders with Woodcraft connections who were sickened by the intensely militaristic flavor of Scouting at that time. The Kindred attracted a great many young men and women in the postwar years and sketched out many of the themes that became central to the appropriate tech and natural-living movements in later decades. Hargrave also wrote a series of novels and nonfiction works. People who knew him -- including Vera Chapman -- noted that he had a considerable background in occultism. The Depression and the Second World War put paid to the Kindred, but there has been a considerable revival of interest in the Kibbo Kift in recent years; it (and Seton's Woodcraft movement generally) are among the early 20th century movements worth revisiting. That's a group of the Kinfolk on parade below on the right.
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Date: 2023-05-15 04:01 am (UTC)Also, what advice if any would you (or other posters) give to someone in this situation? I assume praying to the deity in question for guidance would be the main thing, yes?
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Date: 2023-05-15 04:06 am (UTC)Yes, you should pray to the deity in question. You might also find some more appropriate focus for your desires.
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Date: 2023-05-15 04:02 am (UTC)Happy Mothers' Day to those celebrating it!
To Share: I wrote up my take on Spengler's idea of the "Soul Image" of Great Cultures - https://jpowellrussell.com/#understanding_spengler_s_decline_of_the_west_bit_3_the_soul_image
To Ask: Fittingly enough with this week's Levi book club post, a lot of my scrying and divination of late has been pointing to the need to transmute Passion into Will (I have /lots/ of Fire in my natal chart). I'd be thankful if JMG or anyone else has recommendations on wisdom to look into on this topic (books, articles, maxims, practices, anything that comes to mind), beyond keeping up with magical practice, journaling, and so forth.
As always, thanks very much to JMG and everyone else here for all that you do.
To any who will have them, I put forth my blessings and best wishes,
Jeff
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Date: 2023-05-15 05:52 am (UTC)If I missed anybody, or if you would like to add a prayer request for yourself or anyone who has given you consent (or for whom a relevant person holds power of consent) to the list, please feel free to leave a comment below.
This week I would like to bring special attention to the following prayer requests.
Kirsten, who is scheduled for a D&C surgical procedure (scraping of thickened uterine walls to remove polyps and potential fibroid tumors) on Monday, May 15th, 7:30am Pacific Standard Time; for the procedure to be a go as well as can be, for Kirsten's healing post-operation, and for her to be blessed and protected through the entire process.
KayeOh, who is scheduled for total replacement knee surgery on May 15, to have a good outcome to the surgery, and to heal quickly and completely in the aftermath.
Patricia Mathew's friend Al (Alison Kulp) is in the hospital with a nasty life-threatening MRSA infection; please pray for her to be blessed, protected, and completely healed as soon as is possible. (Update here.)
Lp9's request on behalf of their hometown, East Palestine Ohio, for the safety and welfare of their people and all living beings in the area. (Lp9 gives updates here and most recently here, and says "things are a bit... murky"), and the reasonable possibility seems to exist that this is an environmental disaster on par with the worst America has ever seen. At any rate, it is clearly having a devastating impact on the local area, and prayers are still warranted.
If there are any among you who might wish to join me in a bit of astrological timing, I pray each week for the health of all those with health problems on the list on the astrological hour of the Sun on Sundays, bearing in mind the Sun's rulerships of heart, brain, and vital energies. If this appeals to you, I invite you to join me.
Guidelines for how long prayer requests stay on the list, how to word requests, how to be added to the weekly email list, how to improve the chances of your prayer being answered, and several other common questions and issues, are now to be found at this link.
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From:Fourfold Breath; Witch of Criswell (Spoiler Alert!)
Date: 2023-05-15 07:05 am (UTC)I hope you all had a pleasant start into your week. JMG, thanks a lot for inviting us over for Magic Monday again - this truly is a treasure. :-)
A few questions about the Fourfold Breath and about the Witch of Criswell (again), if I may:
1. a. What are the effects of the Fourfold Breath, compared to other breathworks?
b. And the actual number for counting (Fourfold vs. Threefold vs. Whatnot-fold), am I right in assuming that the point of this is to attune oneself to certain numbers which have a specific relevance in the occult system of choice; but that the basic effects of the X-fold Breath are pretty much the same, regardless of the number?
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2. Witch of Criswell: I asked last week about the efficiency of certain protection methods against what Ariel encounters - and promptly forgot to ask about the Judson Exercise! So…
Would regular practice of the Judson exercise help a. against the things Ariel encounters during the story, and b. against the earlier ghost encounter?
3. What is the nineteenth-century book that Ariel gets from her grandfather to read in chapter 18? (I‘m duly impressed by how she reads, and presumably understands, half of it in one night, btw!)
If you‘ll accept some „good vibes“, then may you and your wife have a blessed, healthy and productive week!
Milkyway
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Date: 2023-05-15 05:40 pm (UTC)1b) Yes, exactly.
2) It would provide some protection, but not as much as the amulet she wears.
3) I didn't name it because I couldn't decide which of half a dozen volumes it might be! In the second book, The Book of Haatan, she's slogging her way slowly through Lévi's Dogme et Rituel de la Haute Magie.
Thank you!
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Date: 2023-05-15 07:44 am (UTC)What is your opinion on "dynamic meditation" ( see: https://www.osho.com/meditation/osho-active-meditations/osho-dynamic-meditation ) is it safe to do?
I know Osho is a controversial figure, but this kind of meditation does seem to have something to say for it
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Date: 2023-05-15 08:23 am (UTC)There was a strange distance between me and the forest I was looking at, almost like my plane of vision was a sheet of some unknown material, and my arm looked slightly unfamiliar as it stretched into that plane of vision.
I remember sometimes being pulled into thought, literally being lost in thought, that my consciousness would whoosh off somewhere else and I'd be caught completely in it. I eventually toward the end of my walk got tired, and couldn't really hold the attentiveness anymore.
What was happening there? Was this mindfulness meditation, or just a forcing of myself to sense more rather than think? I do discursive meditation daily, but this felt different.
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Date: 2023-05-15 09:15 am (UTC)At the moment, while I'm performing the SoP, I often get intrusive thoughts about the people in my life drifting into my head. I get a bit mixed up, as I start to lose focus and think about personal situations, but I'm reluctant to banish the thoughts in case I end subtly 'banishing' them! What would you advise me to do about this? One thing that occurs to me as I'm writing is journalling, perhaps.
Thanks!
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Date: 2023-05-15 05:57 pm (UTC)You can certainly journal about it, but that probably won't stop the intrusive thoughts -- that takes will.
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Date: 2023-05-15 09:26 am (UTC)Last month the UK death rate, which has been high for sometime, hit 25% above the 5 year average. It’s not the only country in this position. At my work in my department we have had 6 deaths the the last 3 years, 3 were cancer, 2 were sudden deaths, and one was Covid. In 29 years of working in my sector I have never seen this. I’m wondering if there is a ‘cosmic’ reason for this? Although the Covid vaccines have a role to play it seems to me that something larger is going on.
Kind regards Averagejoe.
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Date: 2023-05-15 06:07 pm (UTC)That said, the Covid fiasco saw so many people behaving so strangely, often in flat contradiction to every value they claimed to hold, that it does seem that something spooky was involved. I'm simply not sure what it is.
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Date: 2023-05-15 09:33 am (UTC)My question is this, all the way through the dream I had a sense of agency. I can recall my thoughts which were independent from the dream. Not full lucidity, but enough of a moral sense of right and wrong and decision making. Is this a mental body function, or something else?
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Date: 2023-05-15 09:44 am (UTC)To those who wonder what abbreviations like DH, LRM and SGO mean, I compiled a list of Ecosophia abbreviations.
To share, I've been trying to approach weight loss differently. I used to think losing weight was about the mind imposing restraint on the body. This worked well enough, but is unpleasant, and afterwards the weight comes back quickly.
Instead of Mind/Body I'm trying to think in terms of Body/Soul/Mind. As it turns out, it is not my body that wants to eat too much! When I look from the soul, it feels like my mind is tempted by food highs, and my body that goes along unwillingly. So now when I'm tempted by food, I follow the "solar plexus exercise" from "The Way of the Golden Section" to focus on my body. After the exercise, the urge to eat is gone, and my longing for starchy foods is replaced by disgust.
This Body/Soul/Mind approach has held up well for about two months now. Can't wait to see where this goes. Especially if it will help me to not only reach a lower weight, but also to maintain it.
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Date: 2023-05-15 06:09 pm (UTC)Beginner
Date: 2023-05-15 10:06 am (UTC)You seem to have three paths mentioned in you FAQ as to where to start with your books. Any advice on how to pick which of the three?
Moser
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Date: 2023-05-15 06:09 pm (UTC)Regarding your new book
Date: 2023-05-15 10:39 am (UTC)Much thanks again, and best wishes!
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Date: 2023-05-15 06:11 pm (UTC)Whole sign or Placidus
Date: 2023-05-15 10:51 am (UTC)In my own case, wholesign puts my sun in the fourth house rather than the third, venus in the fifth rather than the fourth, and part of fortune in the tenth rather than the ninth. So some pretty decent differences between the two if we're going to use one or the other.
So which house system have you found to work better, or is it more of an 'overlap' thing?
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Date: 2023-05-15 04:58 pm (UTC)Some typos in there. 'Placidus' not 'placings', and '...pretty decent differences between the two if I WERE going to use one or the other.'
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From:Tarot and astrology - learning resources and free readings
Date: 2023-05-15 11:01 am (UTC)Additionally, if anyone would like free tarot readings as I’m re-learning, please check out my journal. I’m also working through Christopher Warnock’s astrology courses (focusing on natal right now), and plan to offer free birth chart readings soon. I figure this will help me gain practice, and could be useful to the community as I’ve seen some folks asking about natal questions.
JMG, let me know if this is ok to post or not! I’m not selling anything on the journal, but I do have a link to my website for my wellness business. If this isn’t allowed due to self-promotion, I can remove the link and just refer people to the free readings when I get them going.
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Date: 2023-05-15 11:03 am (UTC)Thank you for offering to answer all the various and sundry questions!
I am currently trying to decide between starting with Learning Ritual Magic or Gareth Knight’s Experience of the Inner Worlds. First, from my cursory read-through of both, it seems like EIW only touches on some ideas (i.e, Pathways, Tarot trumps)—and where it does mention them, it’s as if there’s an expectation that the reader already has a level of experience or familiarity with them. Whereas in LRM, the knowledge/practice is given with the assumption that the student is starting from square one and the ideas are built out as you progress. Does EIW need Knight’s other books as companions to round out the lessons?
Second, the descriptions of the exercises in EIW are very general when compared to LRM or CGD—in fact, the lack of specificity as compared to LRM and CGD is marked. Is that a concern? Is there an assumption that the student already has familiarity/practice with this kind of work?
Last, it seems like the single goal of EIW is the scrying. It also seems like there is the expectation that the practitioner will be working with a group. Is this accurate? After EIW, what would a practitioner move on to, if not group work (which seems to be only available to UK residents or those who can fly there regularly)?
In short, I feel more drawn to LRM because I really like how systematic and fully fleshed-out as a system it feels—but I am drawn to EIW for its Christian emphasis.
Any help you can offer would be very appreciated!
-J
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Date: 2023-05-15 06:35 pm (UTC)LRM was originally a correspondence course itself, and my co-authors and I aimed it at total beginners. We had a fair amount of experience in teaching beginners by then, so we made the practical instructions as detailed as they were because we knew how many people needed that. Later, when it was converted into a book, we revised it to fix problems our students had encountered.
As for what to do, that really does have to be your decision! Remember that you can do one and then the other!
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Date: 2023-05-15 01:17 pm (UTC)1. I've been reading Evelyn Underhill's book Practical Mysticism. This morning I reached a part towards the end of the book where she discusses how the practice she outlines involves a progressive surrender to greater and larger realities, a merger with the One.
Reading this book, I now understand more about what is meant in the OSA lessons about unconditional love.
Something bothered me, so I did some searching of the archives of past Magic Mondays about Neptunian / Piscean era religions versus those that are Aquarian. I found a comment about how the Piscean era had a focus on unity that 'blurred the multiplicity of the divine'.
So it sounds like what Underhill is describing has this focus on unity, if I understand it correctly. Does this mean these types of practices are going to become less relevant as the new astrological age develops? I suppose the Aquarian era means that if one is drawn to such practices, one just does it anyway.
2. What to do if you lose touch with your oracle? I seem to have less of a connection with the Ogham lately. I do daily one-card readings, and lately they've been hit and miss. For example, on this past Saturday I got reversed Straif, but ended up having one of the best days of the last couple months, and yesterday I got upright Mor, but the day ended up being as routine as it gets, and the one new outside influence that could have made sense ended up cancelling.
Thank you!
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Date: 2023-05-15 06:41 pm (UTC)2) This happens from time to time. If it continues, it may be telling you that you're ready to learn how to use a different oracle.
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Date: 2023-05-15 06:55 pm (UTC)As for the Enochian legends, they're an example of that curious habit of esoteric traditions, the backdating of a historical event. There's tolerably good evidence that the Knights Templar explored the tunnels and chambers inside the Temple Mount, and they seem to have found things there -- though it's anyone's guess what. (I've speculated on what it might have been in my book The Secret of the Temple, but I don't have proof of my guess.) Since there does seem to have been some knowledge passed on from the Templars to Scottish Freemasonry, I think a good case can be made that the Templar discoveries are what's behind the Enochian legend, but here again we're not in Adamic territory; it's more likely that what was hidden dated from the fall of the Second Temple, not from any more antediluvian period.
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Date: 2023-05-15 03:00 pm (UTC)Over the last few years, I've noticed that I experience a sort of cycle of "high executive function" days, where I can focus on tasks really easily, am highly motivated to get stuff done, and can visualize each step of my to-do list, and "low executive function" days, where I'm spacey, unmotivated, and easily distracted and can't hold more than three things at a time on my mental list.
I'd started tracking when these highs and lows were, thinking that maybe it was related to my hormonal cycle, but it didn't match up at all. What it did match perfectly, however, was the lunar cycle. My high days are always on the new moon and my low days are always on the full moon, no matter what other environmental factors there might be.
So, what the heck is this?
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From:Hagging
Date: 2023-05-15 03:18 pm (UTC)I am familiar with the Old Hag experience (as described in your book Monsters).
A couple of nights ago, I woke up in the middle of the night and saw my wife was awake. She said she'd been woken up by what sounded like a typical hagging attack. Ticked all the boxes - unable to move, crushing weight on chest and she said "I felt scared..there was something evil about it [the experience]".
Basically she was holding our daughter in the dream but didn't see anything else and when she woke up fully she could eventually move and it broke (it's not clear to me if she was immobile only in the dream or even after she woke up).
So I suppose I'm not certain if it was a hagging or not (since for a hagging you need to be paralysed after you wake up right?).
Anyway, I recognized what may have happened but I didn't want to scare her in the middle of the night so I just said "it sounds like sleep paralysis - it's a very common thing" and got her back to sleep and the next day she googled sleep paralysis and felt a lot better after reading it probably was that.
I can't think of anyone who would want to harm her - I mean, nobody is universally liked, but she doesn't have any particular enemies or anything. She is the (part time, voluntary) Chair of a small local charity that is going through some tough times and may need to fire people and some of the employees have written her a nasty letter recently - I suppose at worst maybe one of them has a grudge?
Anyway my question is:
a) Do you think it was a hagging or just sleep paralysis?
b) Is it worth doing anything about it, or am I better off just letting her think it is sleep paralysis? She is not a skeptic - she believes in the occult etc but she doesn't want to learn about it because she thinks "such things are not to be messed with" - she's a practicing Catholic though
c) What can I do? I have no magical ritual background - just meditation and reading Magic Monday regularly
ADDENDUM: On an entirely different note - readers here may want to check out a podcast series called The Lovecraft Investigations (free from the BBC). It's a reimagining of some famous Lovecraft stories set in the modern world and I'm really enjoying it. I've read some Lovecraft stuff (At the Mountains of Madness, Dream Quest for Unknown Kadath) but I haven't actually read the Charles Dexter Ward story which is the first story they cover, so I don't know what they've changed - but I'm enjoying it.
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Date: 2023-05-15 03:23 pm (UTC)A) I went from nothing to this in the space of a few months; and while I think I need to pause here for a bit, I have none of the signs you said to look for if you're over doing ritual work. Is this ability to quickly pick up intense ritual work like this another sign, in addition to the activation of multiple energy centers (now including my palms) that I probably did intensive ritual work in a prior life?
B) A lot of my brother's problems unfold from a rather nasty alcohol addiction; an addiction that runs in our family. He is very suddenly able to start to deal with this problem, and I can't help but note that this is around the same time I added in the Rose Cross; is it possible I have done something to start to heal a damaged familial egregor? If so, then doing a daily Rose Cross is apparently an incredibly powerful way to bring healing, if within a month of practice it can cause this.
C) My appetite seems suppressed. I haven't lost much weight yet, but I've started thinning out. One hypothesis I've formulated is that my etheric body wasn't getting enough nutrition, and so I was eating more than my physical body needed; and that now that my etheric body is being well fed, my physical body is adjusting by shedding the excess weight. If so, then this suggests a link between obesity and etheric starvation; does this sound plausible to you?
D) And a final question: I'm realizing I've taken ritual work a lot further than I have any of the other elements of the Golden Dawn system. Do you see any concerns with using Learning Ritual Magic, while sticking to my current ritual work, to lay the groundwork for the other elements of the tradition?
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Date: 2023-05-15 07:06 pm (UTC)2) Again, it's possible, but by no means certain.
3) Entirely plausible.
4) That's actually a fairly common approach these days, since so many people are more interested in ritual than the other aspects of the work! All you have to do is maintain the ritual work while doing the rest of the material in the book in the proper order and time frame.
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