Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 86

[ecosophia]

As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselessness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. 

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

Comments

Re: Tolerance

[dendroica]

I'll also add that there has been an extraordinary level of illness in my community this winter. Many people have been sick 2-3 times and/or for weeks at a time. It does seem to correlate overall with vaccination; however one of the most-affected people I know is unvaccinated, and I also know some vaxxed-and-boosted folks who have not gotten sick. My wife (vaxxed-but-not-boosted) and I (unvaccinated) have both managed to avoid all of the bugs going around so far this season, after finally getting mild covid last April.

It appears from this reference (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34598853/) that covid infection can also induce IgG4 responses in some people, and that this is bad with regard to severity/mortality. So perhaps the loss of overall immunity in the population is another vax+virus effect, with the vax being worse but not exactly an either/or situation.

Re: Tolerance

[(Anonymous)]

this matches my experience. my unvaxxed family have all just had covid again, i think; very mild symptoms now, a bit snotty and a few coughs, less than a standard cold, but it lasts a long time. 3 weeks rather than 1. loads of kids locally seem to have the same. i wonder if the vaxxed (and unvaxxed, but presumably this is more common for the former group) IgG4 response leads to them shedding more virus than would be normal, adding to the problem.

Re: Tolerance

[(Anonymous)]

am i missing something? following that pubmed link, i see only a single chart showing higher mortality for higher IgG4 levels, with no mention of vaccination status.

Re: Tolerance

[dendroica]

It's a pre-vaccination study from 2020 which found that covid sufferers that developed high levels of IgG4 (i.e. tolerance-promoting) antibodies over the course of infection were more likely to die.

The potential implication is that if the boosters are generating widespread increases in IgG4, that could be expected to make covid infection more severe/deadly.