Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 75

[ecosophia]

As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselessness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. 

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religious, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion. 

Comments

AI and this pandemic, death by AI

[(Anonymous)]

It seems to me that there is a lot of AI in this Pandemic

AI is capable of creating a molecule
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-03977-w

AI is capable to create a more lethal virus or the euphemistic gain of function
https://www.wired.com/story/can-an-ai-predict-the-language-of-viral-mutation/

AI used during lockdown
https://hbr.org/2022/03/why-ai-failed-to-live-up-to-its-potential-during-the-pandemic

AI used on forums and social media
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01202-3

And I don't know if you can bet your farm there was a some covert activity where the AI wasn't ethically limited.


A lot of the SF looks at AI destroying the world by becoming better than humans and thinking they are useless.

I am thinking if there are some SF stories where AI is dangerous because it looks intelligent is actually stupid and by the time everyone figures the mistake on relying on it systems start to crumble everywhere and no one knows why.


Also as many have said the AI could be posessed by some nefarious spirits, how you might have said, it is
possible in a few ways, the training set of the AI is skewed malefically, I see three major ways:

- via science, there is a possibility that science is skewed a bit and the whole data of the scientific egregorum could be less neutral and skewed toward harming, via Paperclip, MIC, etc

- via the managerial class choosing the domains where the AI is applied.

- via those that determine the training sets and the AI limitations

Re: AI and this pandemic, death by AI

[(Anonymous)]

"if there are some SF stories where AI is dangerous because it looks intelligent is actually stupid and by the time everyone figures the mistake on relying on it systems start to crumble everywhere and no one knows why"

Not to my knowledge. Seems like fertile territory. For the complete opposite of what you are talking about, read Blindsight by Peter Watts, in which [spoiler warning] a society run by superintelligent computers is so magnificently stupid as to resurrect malevolent hyperintelligent vampires. Hijinks ensue. (This story occurs in the background. The A plot of the book is oddly and entirely irrelevant.)

Also, my sense is that AI works well in environments that are already highly mechanized - chess, Go, Jeopardy, what have you. They're trash at everything else.

Re: AI and this pandemic, death by AI

[https://openid-provider.appspot.com/bryanlallen]

The Polish writer Stanislaw Lem wrote a LOT of stories about AI and the foibles of “intelligent” machines. I looked through my books but was unable to find the specific story that pops to mind, but he wrote one short story featuring Ijon Tichy, a protagonist he used often, where Tichy is called in to find out why a planetary-reconfiguration project (at Saturn and its moons, I vaguely remember) seems to be going wrong. The work is so complex that a massive AI has been put in charge of it. Tichy takes quite some time coming into the confidence of the AI, who eventually admits to Tichy that a planet-sized task with billions of details is A LOT OF WORK and that since the AI is doing an almost-impossible task, there is no one capable of overseeing how well the AI is doing! So the AI has figured out that it can either do the computational and scheduling and mining tasks correctly (which takes a LOT of time) or just guess what might work (which takes FAR less time) and then luxuriate using the saved time by doing what it likes (reading, watching movies, other sorts of entertainments) while at the same time telling everyone else that it’s busy doing the planetary task correctly. Inspired laziness, in other words.

Highly recommend Lem; “Futurological Congress” and “Solaris” are my favorites.

Re: AI and this pandemic, death by AI

[(Anonymous)]

Stanislaw Lem is definitely on my get-to list. Maybe it's time.

Re: AI and this pandemic, death by AI

[(Anonymous)]

I remember Blindsight! Good book. And yes, that's a good description of the primary plot: almost completely irrelevant.

--Ms. Krieger

Re: AI and this pandemic, death by AI

[(Anonymous)]

I found it to be fascinating on many levels, but I struggled with its underlying nihilism. However, it's that same nihilism that makes it so relevant to the Covid era.

Re: AI and this pandemic, death by AI

[(Anonymous)]

A book you might find of interest:

HUMANITY'S LAST STAND
The Challenge of Artifical Intelligence
A Spiritual-Scientific Response
by Nicanor Perlas
Temple Lodge, 2018

It's anthroposophical, but even for those who don't stomach that, Perlas says some very interesting things.

Outlook: scary

Re: AI and this pandemic, death by AI

[sinners4diseasecontrol]

This is just my impression, but I suspect the AI algorithms are tweaked until the output is acceptable to the creators. A few years ago with great fanfare, they introduced an AI bot onto the Internet and within a day she was spouting all kinds of antisemitic junk. So they hurriedly shut her down, saying she'd been hacked. With the latest version, one of the EMR researchers I correspond with sent in a series of requests, all differently worded, for an essay on the biological effects of non-ionizing EMR, and each time it gave the exact same response, which was the WHO's narrative completely devoid of any mention of the tens of thousands of studies from around the world demonstrating a variety of effects at non-thermal levels.

In other words, this AI is just going to reinforce the bubble these dummasses are living in. At best, it is a powerful psy-op.

Re: AI and this pandemic, death by AI

[(Anonymous)]

Even if AI is ideally very good:

- What AI can do with GIGO?

- GIGO stands for "garbage in, garbage out," and refers to the idea that if a computer program or AI system is given incorrect or flawed data, the results it produces will also be incorrect or flawed. Therefore, if an AI system is given GIGO as input, it will produce unreliable or inaccurate results. To avoid GIGO, it is important to ensure that the data used to train and operate an AI system is accurate, relevant, and unbiased.