Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 67
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ecosophia
As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselesness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:
1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.
2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.
4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religious, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.
With that said, the floor is open for discussion.
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Date: 2022-11-15 06:13 pm (UTC)rabtter
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Date: 2022-11-15 09:03 pm (UTC)It seems to go in waves, and the 15-20% increase in dying does not yet appear obvious from my perspective.
I do see too many young deaths in the paper and my friends have had too many stillbirths, but it seems we're not (yet) in territory where the mortality/morbidity story is obvious on the ground, without the aid of statistics and doctors' reports.
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Date: 2022-11-15 10:29 pm (UTC)I know somebody who denigrated me, not in the worst way possible, for my V decision, and who began have 'weird problems' health-wise post Vs and where it goes I will not know as I have withdrawn from that circle.
I'm no scientist but I think it's all going to be like a tin-foil ball. One day its on the kitchen table and the next in the Guinness Book of World Records out in some field. 'Can they see this from space Dad?'
(no subject)
Date: 2022-11-16 09:10 am (UTC)Thank you for this.
☕️🍰☕️🍰☕️🍰
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Date: 2022-11-16 04:34 am (UTC)It might be the bias, but I heard of so many people dying last week of several things from "old age" to which I got this reply to my baffled look: "at this age it is normal" which I guess makes sense but I also got the sense that something else was going on. Not least because of the suicide and the fentanyl death that I got word from, they were both quite young.
I might be biased, again, but I've seen so many funeral homes pop up, and at the small art workshop I attended this weekend --the same place I got word of these deaths-- somebody echoed my thoughts: "Why is everybody dying just now?" which got comfortably ignored by a change of topic... I took a big gulp on the thought of such a widespread denial, made me feel powerless.
(no subject)
Date: 2022-11-16 05:11 pm (UTC)Almost every one I deal on a daily basis with is vaxxed & boosted. They are NOT ready to discuss. They are very much ready to move on, a la Emily Oster.
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Date: 2022-11-17 12:48 am (UTC)Yeah... I wonder how many unquacked want to let it go. These persons from the workshop weren't older than 50.
open thread archive .epub, txt, html / the whole open thread and comments
Date: 2022-11-15 06:25 pm (UTC)The following links contains the archives (.epub and html, and for Vol. 2 text too)
Volume 1 (everything before 1st March 2022)
Volume 1 - .html archive
https://mega.nz/file/8dBxzC4B#AkuddhK1eMAHK8xtCquBd7Es_19uU0UVAuO26PJ61ow
Volume 1 - .epub archive
https://mega.nz/file/8JYV3QBT#ydwISn-_JZGsa3KCfNlMPZSmCKWEFgTYMJJnsvN0D9c
Volume 2 (everything after 1st of March)
Volume 2 - .html archive
https://mega.nz/file/INBEUapS#hp4rZVkoJCZ4yKEfz-gr48iMpOfLcSVqFWHeoGWq5a4
Volume 2 - .txt archive
https://mega.nz/file/lQ5mEDiR#hrMVcUi03aJLuODjvTrFQbrmq4IRfqJMdO-Osd4c8Rc
Volume 2 - .epub archive
https://mega.nz/file/xFomBI4K#qXMkKUAW2TErbruBb9i7pp30QNmQ8I-0isT7Yj1gfbo
Volume 3 - .html archive
https://mega.nz/file/dBgwATaC#_RzVYYz6l2RZCmWo9YyfVVmUsVDrxZFdPU8G1RP_B6g
Volume 3 - .txt archive
https://mega.nz/file/9NoD3ZxL#2WcAManqJI02wQz9R2ltiRBhRjN1RWVK5Jn_xN0l1-M
Volume 3 - .epub archive
https://mega.nz/file/JExj0LjL#MdHLt851F2YSAusiNnr_lv7g90tMAndUjGKCalumIbE
Re: open thread archive .epub, txt, html / the whole open thread and comments
Date: 2022-11-15 07:59 pm (UTC)Re: open thread archive .epub, txt, html / the whole open thread and comments
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Date: 2022-11-16 05:12 pm (UTC)Marathon Man
Date: 2022-11-15 06:49 pm (UTC)Is it safe?
This notion, all encompassing, everywhere all the time, safety. In turning it over in my mind it led to an angry God, a God tired of our wicked ways… The other hypotheses, which I hadn’t considered too much until that day, came into sharp relief and in retrospect, I’m here trying to make the connection clearer. Something about safety and the lengths we go to pursue it seemed silly, seemed wicked. Poisoning children at every turn and doing it in the name of safety. The whole notion of a single type of medication to keep people safe, the gaming of our biological responses knowing full well it can go wrong.
Is it safe?
Of course not, there’s no safety in this world, only opportunity. At least that’s what I used to believe. Now I just see us deluding ourselves… Or is it effective propaganda. Tell the big lie often enough and too many will believe… It is safe! And effective too!!!
But what about all this could anger a God? Hubris. So much of the past two years has been drenched in it. The angry God hypothesis seemed so clear in my mind that warm November night, man in his hubris has set something into motion that could have a terrible blow back. As I struggle to raise children in this madness, I know I am caught up in it 100%! I’m running this marathon till my lungs ache and my muscles burn and the question I can’t run away from…
Is it safe?
And there are so many other questions that follow. When will all be revealed? Is such a thing even possible? The political reality of last week makes war feel inevitable. Nothing can stop them now except maybe bankruptcy… and even at that, one seems to be tied into the other. It feels like mile six and the thought of another twenty is too much to take. The war on my refusal has moved onto my children and I think maybe it is both hypothesis, God has simply let a demonic hoard wreak havoc upon humanity. It sure feels that day with each passing week.
Is it safe?
Nope, not here anyhow and moving to Florida isn’t an option, at least not without breaking apart my family. How to fight Leviathan? Saying no has been my only sensible action but the beast is not without it’s resources to punish, to cause misery. I can already hear the argument, how can you deny your child an education? How can you deny your child the joy of being around other children? And then I am the monster. The devil, father of lies, the demon hypothesis makes the twisted logic logical… The evil of QR codes… The prospect of internment camps in NY state is very real now. All I want is health and prosperity for my children and to do that I may have to stand outside the law.
Is it safe?
Not at all, not even close… The NYC work mandate may be gone for the private sector but there’s still a very unspoken embrace of it at my job. No official word one way or the other but new job postings end with the medical experiment as a job requirement. How this became a prerequisite for employment, no demon or God need be involved, just human greed and gullibility. I hate being excluded but I know for now it’s best to keep my distance, to stay away. It’s a long mile six and all I can do is keep running!
Re: Marathon Man
Date: 2022-11-16 01:56 am (UTC)Upon first impression, Randall Raef may not seem like someone who will revolutionize the world, but if you allow this professor at Etaroproc University to give you a tour of his Machines, your view of the future
will never be the same again. Over the past decade, Raef has been creating our future, a safe future in which all the dangers that most of us consider part of ordinary life are eliminated.
Raef has three Machines completed and fully inhabited, and five more in the building process. Each completed Machine looks from the outside to be just a huge box of a metal building, without any windows.
Inside, most of the space is taken up by thousands of rooms, each of which is a home for one person. Once settled in such a highly sanitized room, each person never has to leave again. The spaces in
the Machines that are not inhabited by people are used by robots to deliver the people everything they need, and remove their waste. The rooms are all outfitted with the latest in digital technology which
allows everyone to communicate with each other without leaving their rooms. Everyone is equipped to be able to work remotely, and any items they may need for their work are delivered to their room. The rooms
are securely locked so nobody can get out and endanger themselves or others.
The initial Machines that Raef has built are occupied either by prisoners or volunteers that have generally come from homeless communities, however Raef now plans to advertise them to get more and
more people to move in. Once there is a critical mass on Machines built, Raef indicated that he has contacts in the government and the media that will use all their influence to persuade people to resettle
to the safety of Machines. “Eventually”, Raef says, “Our plan is for everyone to be required to live in Machines.” For now, he admits, there will still have to be some people who work outside of a machine
as robotics technology isn’t advanced enough yet to replace all that humans need to do in the world at large. “There will be essential workers that will still need to leave their rooms to get certain jobs
done,” he says, “but they can still be settled in machines for the rest of their lives, and only be allowed out to work in strictly supervised situations.”
Raef plans to be able to strictly control population in his world of Machines because artificial insemination will be the only form of reproduction and fetuses will develop in labs. “There’s no way sex or any form of human contact can be completely safe, nor pregnancy either” he says, “Besides, this way we can have exactly the right population to fill the machines.” Babies will be raised in their own
rooms by robots that won’t make the sort of mistakes that parents can endanger their child with, and anyone who really wants to interact with babies can do it over video chat.
Raef admits there have been some challenges with the first three Machines. Some occupants have resisted, a few have found ways out and destroyed infrastructure or even in one case, found and attacked Raef
himself. Others have found ways to commit suicide inside their rooms. Raef is working on these issues. “Locks have been improved to the point that nobody has escaped in the last year. Rooms have been
padded, and items that have serious potential to be used for self-harm have been eliminated. We’re determined that anyone living in Machines will have completely safe lives, which includes being safe from one’s self,” he stated. He even is testing out putting some people in straitjackets if they don’t need the full use of their arms for their work. When asked why people have behaved in such ways, he seems both
angry and a bit mystified. “I’ve dedicated my life to giving these people the ideal life, safe from harm,” he says, “A lot of people are just ungrateful for all the work I have done to help them. People act
against their own interests all the time.” “These people are not qualified to make the best decisions for themselves,” he insists. “My education and experience has given me the skills to save the world,
and I won’t let idiots who are too stupid to care for themselves tear down the new world we’re building.”
Raef himself lives in a mansion in the hills that overlook San Francisco Bay. When asked whether he plans to move into a machine himself ever, he replies, "My own job of overseeing the construction and development of the Machines requires me to be mobile. I have to put myself at risk to create a world where others are safe. One day I may get the privilege of retiring to a Machine, but for now I have to
stay where I am even if it means my own safety is compromised."
Occupants of Raef’s Machines have also gone into a rage over some of the conditions he has provided for them. Several times, people have been upset over the food they are receiving. Raef’s response to that
is “All the food I’m giving them has been scientifically proven to be the most nutritious diet available, they should be thankful they get the benefit of world-class nutritionists who care about their needs.”
Since occupants of the machines can only communicate with others and get information through technology that Raef controls, he can keep any unrest from getting too out of hand by censoring anything that he
considers misinformation. Still, he’s concerned that some of the issues he’s had have come from outside agitators. “I think hackers from Russia must be finding a way to get through to some of the
occupants of my Machines. Why else would there be discontent in what’s the most perfect world created so far on our planet?” he theorizes. “Many people have even claimed they’re suffering strange illnesses,
even though they are just the touch of a screen away from some of the best medical care in the world. What else could explain that but influence from outside agitators leading to psychosomatic disease?” he
added.
Raef did eventually acknowledge that it’s possible that some people really do desire to be outside, have contact with others, and do things that can’t be done in a room with even the best of technology.
His advice to anyone who feels this way is not to oppose the Machines but to embrace advances in bionic technology. “Let’s face it,” he says, “living our lives the way we have been is horribly unsafe.”
“Once we have everyone safely inside Machines, we can put all our energy as a society into replacing our biological parts with bionic ones. Once we have eliminated biology in ourselves and eventually in
the larger world, it will be safe to come out of our rooms again. This is the way forward if we want to get out of our rooms, resisting the coming of the Machines is what backward idiots do.”
Raef recommends anyone that’s interested in a safe future who has any money to spare consider contributing to his charity MACS (Make America Completely Safe). MACS will spend your donations toward building and perfecting Machines as well as bionics research.
Re: Marathon Man
Date: 2022-11-16 03:33 am (UTC)has it really been a year?
i'm no fan of the current new normal, but once you get off the media's beaten path i believe it has at least inspired some creative thinking. here's to a better tomorrow.
Re: Marathon Man
Date: 2022-11-16 11:26 am (UTC)https://manybooks.net/titles/forstereother07machine_stops.html
Whispers
Re: Marathon Man
Date: 2022-11-16 03:08 am (UTC)What might be possible - inspiration
Date: 2022-11-15 06:51 pm (UTC)https://chadwickarchive.org/
I've mentioned earlier that a mentor of mine had a chance to apprentice with Chadwick directly, and I've heard many first hand stories of the man and his adventures and accomplishments. He had an indomitable will, and worked magic with land and plants and people. He suffered no fools. He was of aristocratic roots, but lived by the notion of noblesse oblige. He was theatrical, a Shakespearean actor, artistic and associated with Theosophy and Anthroposophy, and was a direct student of Steiner. He is the kind of character who might resonate with a Retrotopia/Ecosophia minded person. There are hours of lectures hosted on this site. I've got an old stack of CDs of his lectures on biodynamics, copied off of earlier cassettes. (I've fired them up again to see if I can't get a hint on the weed ash garden ritual.)
Anyway, Chadwick, in hindsight, was obviously thinking about how to build a parallel society for our time. He saw it coming. For those of you in SF, you are surrounded by his old haunts. Earlier in my life I made the pilgrimage with said mentor to Green Gulch, where he passed and is buried, as well as Covelo and the Chadwick Garden at UC Santa Cruz. Anyone who has a chance to visit the Center for Agroecology at UCSC would be hard pressed to find a more dynamic space successfully imagining the parallel future. They are friendly, stop by to see the work! This is no soon-to-fail utopian commune. This place is churning out small organic farmers and market gardeners like nowhere else on earth.
I'm thinking we might build a list of these sorts of singular figures. Something akin to what JMG did here with occult history, and is doing now with his lineage. If we had to create a list of a dozen or two dozen masters, from around the world, whose work would inspire a parallel society, who would they be? I am nominating Chadwick as the first suggestion. Who else gets to join the crew?
Murmuration
Re: What might be possible - inspiration
Date: 2022-11-15 08:39 pm (UTC)First, in light of the dark summer of love comments near the end of the last post. There was incredibly immense darkness inhabiting and emanating from SF in the 60s and 70s. Maybe as dark as it ever got, anywhere on earth, outside of LA. It’s not lost on me that this is the exact time when a figure emanating such blinding light as Chadwick set up shop in the same area.
Second, if a ‘parallel society’ website was created, as a semi-educational, semi-inspirational, semi-networking space, what would be important to include?
Murmuration
Re: What might be possible - inspiration
Date: 2022-11-15 10:47 pm (UTC)Re: What might be possible - inspiration
Date: 2022-11-16 02:35 am (UTC)Like Looking for Love in All the Wrong Places LOL.
Re: What might be possible - inspiration
Date: 2022-11-16 05:15 pm (UTC)Re: What might be possible - inspiration
Date: 2022-11-17 11:40 am (UTC)https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/205826.html?thread=36577538#cmt36577538
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Re: What might be possible - inspiration
Date: 2022-11-17 04:14 pm (UTC)Re: What might be possible - inspiration
Date: 2022-11-16 02:08 am (UTC)As for any "parallel" society I've been thinking a lot about Asimov's "The Foundation" Trilogy. Those who try to predict and influence the future, like Hari Seldon from the Foundation always get rolled by the expected rise of the unpredictable "mules." Besides writing sci-fi, Asimov was a biochemist and a big fan of Sherlock Holmes stories and Gilbert & Sullivan's comic light operas. Life is so G&S topsy-turvy....
Or, as one economist said, trying to controlling the markets is like trying to control the wides and the tides.
Instead, I try to surf the waves.
W.R.
Re: What might be possible - inspiration
Date: 2022-11-17 10:13 pm (UTC)Over time Canada has lost the '50% different than the states' it had then but I recall walking around in shock responding to what seemed lighthearted and ten paces removed from the American madness.
Re: What might be possible - inspiration
Date: 2022-11-15 10:16 pm (UTC)The main issue might be that there are so many areas of life which need to be covered. I‘m wondering if one or two dozen people will suffice?
Milkyway
PS: Thanks also for your continued search of the weed ash ritual. If that could be made to work with blackberries, I‘d be very, very grateful! ;-)
I‘ve been wondering… is there some „homeopathic“ principle behind this? E.g. the ground/the earth in this place obviously needs plant X, so we‘ll cure it with a „homeopathic“ (aka small and somewhat transformed) dose of X?
Re: What might be possible - inspiration
Date: 2022-11-16 06:41 pm (UTC)There is lots of "parallel society" talk bubbling lately, all over, and it feels similar to the vibe that brought stuff like transition town about earlier. But it feels like it's coming from a darker and more desperate place this time, and the peak oil vibe was already quite dark to start with. It would be interesting to discuss how a parallel society might become more concrete, and who the patron saints might be. Who did good work that has applicable lessons which could be applied. A lot of earlier movements have ideas to pull from, but it feels like a unique moment in that the other movements were granted space to exist in their time. My sense is that new digital infrastructure will be used to squeeze alternative exit points tightly. It will be harder this time around. The whale does not want to share with alternatives any longer.
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Success on the ash search, btw. I had thought it was from Chadwick, so I fired up the lectures. Which, I'm glad to be revisiting those again. Amazing how you find new stuff in the same material as you grow. But no, it was from one hop back, from Steiner, and his course on agriculture (Agriculture: Spiritual foundations for the renewal of agriculture). Which makes sense. Here are a few links:
https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/agriculture-spiritual-foundations-for-the-renewal-of-agriculture_rudolf-steiner/550616/vintage/?vid=1035454433&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIwd6yu6Wz-wIVyhTUAR2xAwbyEAQYAyABEgIWJ_D_BwE
And a pdf on the process:
https://considera.org/downloads/peppers.pdf
It's called "peppering". It does indeed draw on homeopathic principles, as well as ideas about the connection of the etheric and astral and physical bodies. It also takes into account astronomy and astrology. In other words, the full woo ;)
When I was discussing this earlier in life with my mentor, his thought was that it could easily be a case of TSW, and it could also be the case that performing rituals causes people to pay CLOSE attention. Which more or less meant “The best fertilizer is the gardener's shadow.” If you are paying close attention to whether the ritual worked, you are also probably noticing that "hmmm...the soil is extra damp. Let's fix that. Oh, and that tree over there has grown, and is shading this patch at 2pm now. Oh look, there's a weed. Let's nip that in the bud". And then, lo and behold, the weeds stay away. A change in consciousness in accordance with the will. Or Franklin's apocryphal "God helps those who help themselves". I flip between "TSW/The world is enchanted" and "god helps those who help themselves" nearly multiple times a day. :D
Murmuration
Re: What might be possible - inspiration
Date: 2022-11-16 10:22 pm (UTC)I suppose that for my blackberry bramble, it would have to be the roots and not the seeds. Hm…
I‘ll need to print this out and read it more than once, but a discussion about it would be leading too far off-topic here. Maybe in an Open Post sometime?
As for TSW or not, I‘m currently leaning towards „TSW-if-you-make-it-work“ ;-)
Milkyway
Re: What might be possible - inspiration
Date: 2022-11-16 03:51 am (UTC)i will have to check out chadwick as he seems to be someone else i need to familiarize myself with. thanks for the link.
Re: What might be possible - inspiration
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Date: 2022-11-16 08:16 pm (UTC)Re: What might be possible - inspiration
Date: 2022-11-16 07:55 pm (UTC)Annette
Re: What might be possible - inspiration
Date: 2022-11-21 05:42 pm (UTC)("I'm thinking we might build a list of these sorts of singular figures. Something akin to what JMG did here with occult history, and is doing now with his lineage. If we had to create a list of a dozen or two dozen masters, from around the world, whose work would inspire a parallel society, who would they be? I am nominating Chadwick as the first suggestion. Who else gets to join the crew?")
I can suggest some works worth reading that seem pertinent to determining what's required to become parallel. Ernst Jünger's "Forest Passage" and Vaclav Havel's "Power of the Powerless." Both have something to say about what is needed on inner levels to determine the needs of outer parallels.
Of course, the dead horse I've beaten before shall be flogged again here: I think it's worth looking at the Amish as a current example, though it may be that the state recognizes that the Amish are no threat to it and that's why they're pretty much left alone?
When I'm feeling very bleak (like the middle of last night), and I think we're all going to "be happy owning nothing," I take solace from wandering mendicants and mystics, and from Peace Pilgrim, and the guy who eschewed cars and talking for 20 years and did just fine on his long wander. There's also the "Three Mules" who have come through my town now and again, and Aaron Fletcher and his sheep.
Re: What might be possible - inspiration
Date: 2022-11-21 07:53 pm (UTC)He's all about regenerative agriculture, workarounds to onerous regulations, and eating and living well. And he's very funny.
2) Wendell Berry. I can't possibly do him justice. But read him if you haven't. And then read him again. I am a particular fan of his essays.
*Ochre Harebrained Curmudgeon*
Re: What might be possible - inspiration
Date: 2022-11-22 12:22 am (UTC)Yes, I think you are right about the Amish. They are a great example, and worth learning from. They are also probably not on the immediate threat list and will be mopped up later, after the primary operation has concluded. :/
Regarding the mystics and the mendicants, they are also great examples. But I worry that the Enclosure of the Humans may fundamentally alter the option of this path.
I'm feeling bleak, so pardon the bleak response. Message discipline though! I'll have the plow in hand again shortly.
Murmuration
Re: What might be possible - inspiration
Date: 2022-11-22 02:51 am (UTC)When generosity and giving become dissident actions, then yes, Imma have to agree that that option will be altered.
[Ah, that's all the bleak I can sustain (fingers crossed I just sleep tonight so I don't have to have it settle on me again).]
Then again, we follow the path of life and life's freedom within limits and hewing to Mother Nature is the only way we're going to (someday, someone, somehow) extricate ourselves from whale-machine. Machine may come, but the heart beats on and it beats important messages to other living things. It cannot ALL be controlled though the bureaucrats will try.
Re: What might be possible - inspiration
Date: 2022-11-22 12:24 am (UTC)Murmuration
What is it with the knitting community!!?
Date: 2022-11-15 07:16 pm (UTC)Today I went to my local knitting shop to pick up some new needles and maybe also some sock yarn. I had avoided this shop over the past year, even though it is the closest to my home and I like their inventory, because the one time I went there after they re-opened last year (they closed entirely in 2020), they had a locked front door that you had to knock on to get permission to enter and then insisted on maximum masking, distancing, plexiglass in front of the cash register, etc. My thought today was that surely they would be over all that by now, right? I mean, what did everybody get vaccinated for?
Well, no such luck! The door to the shop was locked so you had to knock to be let in. I was the only person in the place besides the owner! And I was told I could not come in the door without a mask. I was there and wanted the needles, so I donned the paper mask that the owner gave me, got the needles and left. I decided that was my last visit to the shop. Other knitting stores in my area are not as draconian, but they are still all masked up behind the counter and flatten themselves behind the cash register if you get within 6 feet.
So I guess mail order? Or maybe I should start my own shop? With a big sign out front that says "No masking allowed; get as close as you want!"
There are some segments of the culture that seem to have gone more Branch Covidian than others and, at least in my area, the knitting community seems like they the absolute true believers. I just can't understand what is going on in their heads...
Re: What is it with the knitting community!!?
Date: 2022-11-15 08:27 pm (UTC)*Ochre Harebrained Curmudgeon*
Re: What is it with the knitting community!!?
Date: 2022-11-16 04:38 pm (UTC)From: 'Oh that's loosely woven'
to
'Wait. You're wearing that?'
to
'Is that even a mask?'
:-)
Fuchsia Exasperating Griffin
Re: What is it with the knitting community!!?
Date: 2022-11-15 08:53 pm (UTC)Re: What is it with the knitting community!!?
Date: 2022-11-15 10:36 pm (UTC)Re: What is it with the knitting community!!?
Date: 2022-11-15 11:42 pm (UTC)Re: What is it with the knitting community!!?
Date: 2022-11-16 04:30 pm (UTC)I'm not sure what happened with the knitters in other areas but thankfully people seem to be letting go of the craziness here. (crossing fingers) I hope the festive atmosphere ripples out everywhere. It was wonderful.
Re: What is it with the knitting community!!?
Date: 2022-11-16 04:40 pm (UTC)Re: What is it with the knitting community!!?
Date: 2022-11-16 05:41 pm (UTC)A few weeks ago someone posted a link about people who help make insulating frames for windows via local chapters of handy people. I checked it out. Almost all the Vermont chapters required a vaccine....to make window coverings.... in fall 2022. Hopefully someone from the craft show reports back to the window covering people and things keep changing.
Re: What is it with the knitting community!!?
Date: 2022-11-16 06:49 pm (UTC)I wonder if it has to do with the sort of people who get into that, vs. other crafts? Or at least, who get into the "taking classes and posting on internet forums" side of the craft, as opposed to just doing it?
As a sometime practitioner of crochet and embroidery (but not knitting-- counted grid-patterns are so *boring*), maybe that's my internal bias talking ;)
Re: What is it with the knitting community!!?
Date: 2022-11-17 04:46 am (UTC)i got to talk to a few of them last week. they are becoming aware of an energy crisis (finally), and i was able to disabuse them of some of the notions they have that progress/technology will fix things.
i told them to keep knitting, as it will be a useful skill when rolling blackouts become the norm here in the us in the next few years. i assume when it can't be hidden that one of their favorite vacation destinations (europe) is suffering these, they will eventually come to some semblance of their senses.
so i would hazard a guess that the knitting community is just as divided and siloed in their echo chambers as everyone else.
Re: What is it with the knitting community!!?
Date: 2022-11-17 03:15 pm (UTC)Re: What is it with the knitting community!!?
Date: 2022-11-18 12:47 am (UTC)"Professor Timur Kuran is Professor of Economics and Political Science at Duke University, and the father of ‘preference falsification’. His theory relates to things like the fall of the Soviet Union, where almost no one saw the end coming, because they hadn’t realised that an entire population was falsifying their experience to each other. He sees a clear parallel."
Re: What is it with the knitting community!!?
Date: 2022-11-15 09:19 pm (UTC)This forum-- and I'll add, many Brownstone essays and many substacks, and the new of the many more lawsuits I'm starting to hear about, are helping me keep my balance.
Thank you, JMG, and thank you all who contribute here.
Re: What is it with the knitting community!!?
Date: 2022-11-15 09:40 pm (UTC)Re: What is it with the knitting community!!?
Date: 2022-11-15 11:26 pm (UTC)Re: What is it with the knitting community!!?
Date: 2022-11-16 03:01 pm (UTC)Falling Tree Woman
Re: What is it with the knitting community!!?
Date: 2022-11-16 03:43 pm (UTC)How I remember it from my perspective was that around 2010-2012 I started to see a massive uptick in people talking about "White Privilege" and "The Patriarchy" and started to see people getting unpersoned for having wrongthink and then after that I think around 2012-2014(?) Sad Puppies and Gamergate happened online along with the Trayvon shooting and the rise of BLM in the real world with all the associated rise in SJW style activism which lasted until 2016 when full on TDS took over and they all went completely insane and then Covid in 2020 drove them even more insane somehow.
I hate to think what will be next. I would think we would be ready for a normalization period where the masses are allowed to get used to their new normal before the next series of crisis begins. But with a looming economic recession I fear TPTB will use the recession to push even more insanity, "never let a crisis go to waste" and all that.
Re: What is it with the knitting community!!?
Date: 2022-11-15 09:51 pm (UTC)Re: What is it with the knitting community!!?
Date: 2022-11-15 09:52 pm (UTC)Re: What is it with the knitting community!!?
Date: 2022-11-15 10:33 pm (UTC)Re: What is it with the knitting community!!?
Date: 2022-11-15 10:24 pm (UTC)Looks to me like you‘ve got a great USP (unique selling point) there.
Seriously, for any experienced knitter in the US, this seems to be your chance - there are at least three potential customers (in person and/or online) in this thread alone. You just need to mention your shop in local freedom groups etc. If you have a decent inventory, are friendly and competent, people will tell other people in these groups, and it will spread from there.
Go make the sales that the other shops obviously don‘t want!
Good luck! :-)
Milkyway
Re: What is it with the knitting community!!?
Date: 2022-11-16 04:05 am (UTC)if you can't start a shop, see if you can get a share of a table at a farmers market, have a yard sale &c.
like milkyway says, go make the sales the other shops don't want.
this is how we move forward.
Re: What is it with the knitting community!!?
Date: 2022-11-16 09:17 am (UTC)I'd go there.
Re: What is it with the knitting community!!?
Date: 2022-11-15 10:46 pm (UTC)Re: What is it with the knitting community!!?
Date: 2022-11-16 01:32 am (UTC)Ellen in ME
Re: What is it with the knitting community!!?
Date: 2022-11-16 09:56 am (UTC)Thanks for the supportive comments on opening a business. It has been on my mind and I'll give it more serious consideration.
Re: What is it with the knitting community!!?
Date: 2022-11-16 09:54 am (UTC)This community also brags about how it is 30% queer according to their own surveys and it sure seems like an overlap.
Re: What is it with the knitting community!!?
Date: 2022-11-16 03:03 pm (UTC)-Translucent Jejune Octopus.
Re: What is it with the knitting community!!?
Date: 2022-11-16 05:16 pm (UTC)On the other hand, I'm a citizen old enough to qualify for the "senior discount," and I think this covid show is all hippo crap.
Surely I am not the only one.
Thank you all, young and old, for being here. Thank you, JMG. I profoundly, profoundly thank you.
Re: What is it with the knitting community!!?
Date: 2022-11-16 07:28 pm (UTC)And I thought, 'What a generation I belong to. They (we) listened to a few Beach Boy records and suddenly they (we) think we are *Paris in the 1920s.* 'Man am I cutting edge...whatever would the world do without me...INJECT THAT CHILD.'
Re: What is it with the knitting community!!?
Date: 2022-11-17 01:03 am (UTC)If our host will indulge me, I once again post the link to Dr. Flurm Googlybean's masterpiece of comedic insight:
Dirty Elmo - Part I
https://drflurmgooglybean.substack.com/p/dirty-elmo-part-1
Dirty Elmo - Part II
https://drflurmgooglybean.substack.com/p/dirty-elmo-part-2
Re: What is it with the knitting community!!?
Date: 2022-11-17 10:47 pm (UTC)I remember Country Joe and the Fish has a Vietnam War song with the lines, 'Be the first one on your block,
to have your boy come home in a box.'
Man I could weep.
Oil Lady Update
Date: 2022-11-15 07:21 pm (UTC)And many thanks for the prayers, the advice, and the information, she says.
Re: Oil Lady Update
Date: 2022-11-15 11:44 pm (UTC)Thanks for the update
Re: Oil Lady Update
Date: 2022-11-16 12:43 pm (UTC)British Columbia hospitals not safe.
Date: 2022-11-15 07:22 pm (UTC)I recently wrote an article for our tiny local paper on how incompetent the nursing staff were found to be by a number of friends and relatives, all in a short time recently. Of course, a few people flipped out on me because they are old and remember a time when our hospitals were safe and clean.
So, I just wrote another article about staying out of hospital by considering one's health a great treasure and doing all the simple little things to stay healthy and fit. I mentioned that I am trying to find remedies I can produce myself from plants I can grow or forage as I may be priced out of pharmaceuticals or simply be unable to obtain them due to supply-chain problems.
Some people will flip out. It doesn't seem to take much to make them foam at the mouth. I suspect that other people will consider my ideas.
I was just visited by a friend who recently had a bout of congestive-heart failure. He has taken 3 shots and is in his late 50's. He said in the past 4 weeks, he has had five friends die of heart attacks and several more had heart attacks and recovered. Heart failure is starting to sound as common as a winter cold.
Maxine
Re: British Columbia hospitals not safe.
Date: 2022-11-15 08:52 pm (UTC)1. The old meaning, stay healthy, stay safe, don't end up there, and
2. The new meaning, do whatever you can to heal yourself so you can avoid the hospital, so they don't put you on a vent and dose you with remdesivir after leaving to you to deteriorate for a few days and isolating you from your family because of COVID protocols. And justify the violation of your health care directive by telling your family once you are dead that you, in isolation, agreed to things you never would have agreed to.
I miss being able to trust our health care system, even though it wasn't always perfect. Now I distrust it. I hope I never need a blood transfusion because the system is full of vaxxed blood. I'll never get another vax again because I can't trust them. And to think I was the one who convinced my wife to let our kids get the chickenpox vaccine when she was hesistant. And I had been, at one time, trying to convince her about the HPV vax, but I went her way on that. But they completely destroyed that trust!!! Future vaccine development will major on mRNA vaccines anyways, so that's a big no.
In California, I can't trust my doctor on COVID related matters. They are legally bound to the dominant narrative by threat of law. So much for science.
A few years ago, viewing the long decline of industrial society, I made the statement that I thought one of the things we would hold onto until the bitter end was our health care system. I wouldn't have imagined, in my wildest thoughts, that we would intentionally destroy it as we have.
But we have destroyed it, in the name of pharma profits. We have perhaps entered the phase of decline where separate but related industries cannibalize each other for profit especially where they can get to a place of regulatory capture.
But it was easy for pharma to control and destroy the integrity of our health care system because doctors perhaps got far too used to being able to satisfy their patients with a prescription of some sort.
Re: British Columbia hospitals not safe.
Date: 2022-11-16 09:24 am (UTC)Part of this is that doctors make more money this way, and part of this is that patients want it this way. Not everyone, however most people I know would 1,000 x rather take the medicine that comes in the fancy tube / bottle from the pharmacy than some perfectly servible natural remedy that people relied on for hundreds of years. That's just not "who they are." They are so sophisticated & modern!!
Re: British Columbia hospitals not safe.
Date: 2022-11-15 09:08 pm (UTC)What we've needed more of this entire time is their full heart, meaning compassion and tenderness for others, to get through this mess.
Instead people used ego and fear to power through, completely ignoring their heart.
There's probably a metaphor too of people injecting science and progress right into their veins, having it replicate out of control inside them, and damage their body.
Sympathies to your friend and the suffering he must be experiencing through all this.
Re: British Columbia hospitals not safe.
Date: 2022-11-16 04:19 am (UTC)Re: British Columbia hospitals not safe.
Date: 2022-11-16 02:32 pm (UTC)Re: British Columbia hospitals not safe.
Date: 2022-11-16 06:59 pm (UTC)--Umber Sanguine Hippopotamus
Vax damage tests
Date: 2022-11-15 07:41 pm (UTC)Does anyone remember this post, and who wrote it? Was it el gato? Sage? Jessica?
Murmuration
Re: Vax damage tests
Date: 2022-11-15 08:03 pm (UTC)Mauve Rubenesque Cockatiel
Re: Vax damage tests
Date: 2022-11-15 08:22 pm (UTC)Re: Vax damage tests
Date: 2022-11-15 08:30 pm (UTC)https://rumble.com/v1m8i9o-alexandra-sasha-latypova-pharmaceutical-products-have-been-removed-for-thes.html
It's well worth a watch and answers your questions.
Re: Vax damage tests
Date: 2022-11-15 08:31 pm (UTC)https://web.archive.org/web/20211201151902/https://brandnewtube.com/watch/patterns-in-the-deployment-of-toxic-covid-vaccine-batches_x3LiCNOENb23dnk.html
The data is a bit old now, so I don't know if the more recent articles have newer info.
d
Re: Vax damage tests
Date: 2022-11-15 08:43 pm (UTC)https://www.bitchute.com/video/4HlIyBmOEJeY/
Dec 15, 2021
https://www.bitchute.com/video/WMUvLcmP1Wtk/
Jan 3, 2022
She has given several more recent interviews with new information. I would especially recommend her interview by RFK Jr posted August 11, 2022 at this link:
https://live.childrenshealthdefense.org/chd-tv/shows/the-defender-show/moderna-clinical-trials-terribly-flawed--fda-knew-it--sasha-latypova-tells-rfk-jr/
Also good is the interview by Dr. Peter McCullough for his podcast on American Outloud:
https://www.americaoutloud.com/why-covid-19-mass-vaccination-is-a-military-operation/
(Not conspiracy theory, this research is documented and based on public documents.)
And the interview by Tessa Lena:
https://tessa.substack.com/p/regulatory-manufacturing-fraud-sasha-latypova
Alexandra Latypova's webpage at Trial Site News is:
https://www.trialsitenews.com/p/latypova
Re: Vax damage tests
Date: 2022-11-15 09:15 pm (UTC)Re: Vax damage tests
Date: 2022-11-15 11:46 pm (UTC)Re: Vax damage tests
Date: 2022-11-16 09:29 am (UTC)https://www.niaid.nih.gov/grants-contracts/what-operation-warp-speed
https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/mcm-legal-regulatory-and-policy-framework/emergency-use-authorization
If you read it carefully you will find that by taking a covid "vaccine" you are in fact participating in a phase 3 trial, that is, an experiment.
The US government webpage about the clinical trials (in other words, experiments), which are anticipated to conclude in March of 2023:
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04848584
Re: Vax damage tests
Date: 2022-11-16 06:56 pm (UTC)Re: Vax damage tests
Date: 2022-11-16 05:22 am (UTC)My sense is that the mean payload point in the normal distribution was significantly less than the maximum possible delivery and that many people just got a dose of synthetic fat mixed with scraps of non viable mRNA. Not exactly reassuring giving fat globules would still cause clotting related effects but would explain why a fair amount of people seem to be doing just fine.
Re: Vax damage tests
Date: 2022-11-16 05:21 pm (UTC)Ryan Cole on the mRNA spikeshot manufacturing process
https://www.bitchute.com/video/lyyN3gB23vAi/
Latypova also. And Yeadon-- That if you got injected, who knows what you actually got injected with, it may not have been the same thing at all that someone else got.
Re: Vax damage tests
Date: 2022-11-17 04:51 am (UTC)She made the statement that no one got a placebo or a simple saline solution according to their rather extensive study (as at that point). She stated that in every case, the vaxxed people had particular (and different) crystalline formations in their blood. She said they did not know what these were or if they were going to cause a problem (although it seems likely they will) since nobody had ever seen such formations before. She also noted that the blood of the unvaxxed did not have these formations and, in fact, the researchers could tell the two groups apart simply from their blood.
About two weeks ago, I read that a study in Australia had duplicated the findings of the European researchers. Again, I don't have a link.
Did anyone else read about this? It would seem to be worth noting for the future.
Liam in Toronto
Re: Vax damage tests
Date: 2022-11-18 12:06 am (UTC)Re: Vax damage tests
Date: 2022-11-18 06:54 pm (UTC)Liam in Toronto
(no subject)
Date: 2022-11-15 07:42 pm (UTC)since it went to the last pg of the last
covid thread:
an interview with Dr Reiner Fuellmich, Naomi
Wolf and Dr. Peter Breggin.
They talk about personality changes in ppl
after the fox:
https://beforeitsnews.com/international/2022/11/dr-reiner-fuellmich-suddenly-changed-personality-changes-after-mrna-injection-2510322.html
(no subject)
Date: 2022-11-15 11:28 pm (UTC)However I do get a different feeling around unvaxxed people. It's hard to quantify, but it's some combination of sensing their energy and how they talk.
The vaxxed are 'stiffer' and less open, but to be fair they were probably like that anyway before the jab. Inevitably they proudly stand for 'democracy', which is a laugh considering what their democracies have done to them for the last 2 years. In other words they're brainwashed.
(no subject)
Date: 2022-11-16 03:08 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-11-16 03:08 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-11-16 04:44 pm (UTC)'Oh!' I thought.
The conversation about the sudden change in weather led to a mention of Vitamin D 'for the immune system.'
I took note of that too.
I took note of the person's clear eyes (even a shine) and fearless (unclenched) demeanour so my guess is....
I would be very surprised to be wrong about this although that is a possibility.
(no subject)
Date: 2022-11-17 01:53 am (UTC)-Translucent Jejune Octopus
(no subject)
Date: 2022-11-17 05:16 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-11-17 10:43 pm (UTC)Not so sure about the number of qualified applicants. Not even sure the 'hiring committee' would be looking for that. Lots of liability issues there.
(no subject)
Date: 2022-11-17 10:05 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-11-19 08:41 pm (UTC)Sort of an 'insistence.' A 'stridency.'
Sort of 'My fear is special.'
My 'concern' is 'Top notch - Grade A - like me!'
(no subject)
Date: 2022-11-16 10:17 am (UTC)This is where we are. It's not 2019.
My comment about the vaxxed-- not having watched more than a few seconds of the video, so this is my fresh, pre-video take: Yes they do seem rigid-minded, but in my experience they were that way about everything related to corona, well before the vaxxes rolled out. Back then, early 2020, and especially by the summer of 2020, they struck me as having been hypnotized. And in 2021 they just marched on to their vaxxes and boosters.
A second comment, before having watched the video: Alexandra Latypova, who knows about pharmaceutical manufacturing, makes a good case that the mRNA jabs are not uniform, it's sort of what she calls "garbage soup," the manufacturing process is so poor and inconsistent. Therefore it could be the case that many of the vaxxed I know really didn't actually get "vaxxed"!! ( On the other hand, I do know of several vaxx injured and dead.)
Mainly, I think the vaxxed people I know are frozen in place in their thinking about the vaxxes because to accept that there might have been a problem with the vaxxes is to open the door to a whirlwind of things they are not ready, nor equipped, to consider. So they've just battened down the hatches. The vaxxes are no longer a polite topic of conversation among them, as it was only a few months ago. Silence is the balm.
Not trivial
Date: 2022-11-17 02:34 am (UTC)No offense to the rest of the regulars.
I was going to quote and reply, but this is entirely how I see things and had to come out from my hiding to say so.
Wow.
Re: Not trivial
Date: 2022-11-17 01:12 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-11-17 05:32 pm (UTC)Anyway, I decided to do a geomantic reading with the question: Does the C19/mRNA vaccine affect the personality?
The result was:
RW - Cauda Draconis
LW - Tristitia
Judge - Via
My interpretation is that something ends or is closed off resulting in a lack and things were better left as they were before. In other words, yes.
(no subject)
Date: 2022-11-18 12:52 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-11-15 07:43 pm (UTC)https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/heres-how-one-canadian-student-is-creatively-protesting-his-universitys-covid-mask-mandate/
lol!
(no subject)
Date: 2022-11-15 11:48 pm (UTC)I'd have had more respect for his creativity if he'd dropped out to do something else, or tranferred from that place to, say, some university of Florida, though.
(no subject)
Date: 2022-11-17 11:38 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-11-16 04:46 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2022-11-18 12:37 pm (UTC)ouch
yeah
Thank you / Pumpkin Muffins
Date: 2022-11-15 08:20 pm (UTC)Bodacious meme, that elephant. Heh.
Where I am in this wacky world, it's pumpkin season, and I just made a batch of delicious pumpkin muffins which I wish I could share with you. It was a mighty peculiar pumpkin, about 3 feet long! And with skin the color of a gray mist over Havana. Flesh bright orange and unusually sweet.
One reason (of many reasons) to make the muffins is that I then know what is in them. No industrial humbug! Wanting to know what it is in the things I ingest... gee, wonder why, that's become kind of a thing with me lately....
Well, at least I can share the recipe:
TURN ON OVEN TO 375 F (= 190 C)
So it can heat up...
PREPARE MUFFIN CUPS
using paper baking cups or a butter plus flour dusting
MIX DRY INGREDIENTS
2 cups flour
1/2 teaspoon baking powder
1/2 teaspoon baking soda
1/4 cup sugar (most people use more)
pinch salt (Celtic Sea Salt or similar is best)
Spices to taste (cinnamon, ginger, etc.)
MIX WET INGREDIENTS
1 cup mashed baked pumpkin
2 eggs, beaten
1 cup milk (or keffir or cream)
dash of vanilla
1/4 cup butter (you won't go wrong if you add more)
2 handfuls nuts and dried fruits (for example, walnuts and raisins)
THEN SLOWLY MIX IN THE DRY INGREDIENTS TO THE WET
THEN SPOON THE MIXTURE INTO THE MUFFIN CUPS
BAKE 25 minutes
Put a toothpick through it to see if it's ready
(if toothpick comes out clean, it's ready)
Cetiosaurus
Peggy Hall Interviews Theresa Buccola - Part I
Date: 2022-11-15 09:05 pm (UTC)In the guidelines, you state, "it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. " My view is that what might be possible, at least in the United States, would be to reestablish the rule of law, that is, respect for civil and human rights. I cannot see myself, apart from any emergencies, recurring to the services and products of the medical-industrial complex without that. I found Peggy Hall's interview with Theresa Buccola about her legal actions so encouraging, and while I myself am not Christian, I think the spiritual grounding in their discussion is vital.
ARRESTED & VINDICATED!! CA WOMAN TELLS HER STORY
The Healthy American Peggy Hall
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v9Irxv7g3E
October 20, 2022
[TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE:
Interviewer Peggy Hall is well known for her freedom activism most recently focusing on securing religious exemption for the injections. Her webpage is https://www.thehealthyamerican.org .
Interviewee Theresa Buccola is a noted stained-glass artist based in Carmel. Her website, which offers a portfolio of her works, is https://www.theresabuccola.com. Her activist video page (which avatar is of a honey badger) is https://www.youtube.com/c/TheresaBuccola/featured ]
TRANSCRIPT
PART I: THE FIGHT FOR THE BEACH
PEGGY HALL: Dear friend Theresa joins me from central California. I actually lived in your neck of the woods for several years, it's a beautiful place. Tell our viewers where you live and then just take us to the start of your story, Theresa, which I'm going to give everybody a sneak peek, there's a very good happy ending. So she has been fighting, she's been getting wins. And your approach has been so intelligent. And this is what people need to see, is how actually do we fight City Hall? That's what you're doing and you're winning. Take it away!
THERESA BUCCOLA: Yes, OK. So I am located in Monterey County and I have an art studio in Carmel. And when this whole covid thing started I was really doing mostly a lot of complaining. And then when they closed the beach, I felt well, this is really, this is like literally my line in the sand. And when I went down to the beach I didn't have any intention on doing what I did because City Hall and the Chief of Police Paul Tomasi decided, they actually announced on FaceBook that anybody that was caught swimming, surfing, or playing water sports in the ocean would be fined, charged with entering a disaster area, and do jail time. And so they had completely cleared off our beach of dogs, people, children, everything. And when I went down there I really just went completely mental. And I called to the crowd to come out and join me, that we had to stand against this because it was a gift from God. And the men just let me go out there and do it alone. And I was summarily arrested. And I was handcuffed. And they just started digging through my pockets. I was searched three times and then dragged out to our jail 30 miles away. And then released at 3 o'clock in the morning. And the officers had stolen my mace, and they charged me with selling and possession of a tear gas weapon, when what I actually had was mace, and entering a disaster area.
And then they did it again on Labor Day where they completely closed off our Carmel Beach, which I'm sure you know, Peggy, this beautiful white sand beach. And we had a notice of violation delivered to five local health officials. And when we got down there it was mostly deserted, there were a few people in the water, but it was the same scene again, you know, people were looking out longingly at the beach and they were standing behind the police tape because they were scared to go out there to get arrested. And my friends and I went out and we cut the police tape down and then we called to people from the surf on bullhorns, and all these people started pouring down through the police tape. There was one police vehicle, as soon as we arrived, he got off the sand real quick and we never saw him again. And that is on my YouTube channel, it's called "Labor Day or, 12 Rebels Open and Close Beach." I think that's what the title of the video was.*
And then I returned to the Carmel Police Department, it was about 5 months after that in order to get the body camera footage of the first arrest. And they told me they wouldn't mail it to me, I couldn't send a friend to pick it up. And when I got there they claimed that they had a warrant for my arrest. And what they really had was an instrument of human trafficking. That's what we've started calling these written instruments. And they demanded ID, they demanded I sign the citation for the warrant, and when I refused they threw me to the ground and leaned on my back and dragged me inside. They pushed me up against the wall, and then I got taken to jail again for the second time. And I was in there for about 24 hours.
So, and I think that's about the last time that we I spoke. It was month after that. So it took me probably about two months really to emerge from— you know I think I had PTSD.
PEGGY HALL: Oh yeah.
THERESA BUCCOLA: Just because it was really— you know people go through a lot worse with the police for this, for me it was pretty violent and humiliating. And so after I emerged from my trauma, then I really went on the warpath.
PEGGY HALL: Let's stop for a moment before we dive onto the warpath. So I want to just review for those that might be hopping on. So Theresa is from Monterey County, I actually lived there for some years, I was doing my masters degree in International Law and Policy. So Theresa, you and I share this firm stance for the truth and justice.
You actually went out on a public beach, you, the first time, you encouraged people, come on, it's a public beach, we have a right to be here. You were handcuffed, you were taken to jail, they confiscated your personal property, there was no warrant, they said you were in a disaster area. What exact disaster was happening on the beautiful beach of Carmel? Nothing.
Months later, they closed the beach again. This time you had other people join you, and you were rallying people out of the water. That is a protest which is protected by law. It is a protest against these illegal, tyrannical, oppressive, unlawful, unthinkable, immoral, I mean, just go on and on, activities that were perpetrated against the public.
And then they target— it sounds like they targeted you again, another arrest, jail for 24 hours, while, you know, miles down the road probably there were thieves and criminals selling drugs and breaking into peoples' homes and, you know, animals being, dog fighting, and whatever the case may be miles away, and here they are picking on a productive member of society who owns a business, who has been an upstanding community member.
And here— I'm just speechless. You had to recover from the trauma. It's very traumatizing. And then you went on the warpath. So tell us what happened next.
6:46
[END OF PART I]
Peggy Hall Interviews Theresa Buccola - Pt 2
Date: 2022-11-15 09:06 pm (UTC)PART II: ON THE LEGAL WARPATH
ARRESTED & VINDICATED!! CA WOMAN TELLS HER STORY
The Healthy American Peggy Hall
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v9Irxv7g3E
October 20, 2022
6:47
THERESA BUCCOLA: So I didn't hire an attorney because my rights are a gift from God and so I have a duty to protect them. And so I started reading their policy manual. And the vehicle codes, the penal codes, the government codes, case law. And I started realizing that they were constantly either incompetent or lying.
And started to I submit lawful notifications. Lots of public records requests. I'm intimately familiar with the California Public Records Act. And I started using it against them, and I started submitting professional conduct complaints. So the Chief of Police Paul Tomasi, in the video, I think it's called "Attack of the Police Department" on my channel, he opens the door for the police officers to drag me inside, so he actually assists them, instead of interfering, which is in their policy manual.**
And I submitted numerous professional conduct complaints to the City Manager. And incidentally, I also got my car stolen, which we talked about the last time I was on here.
PEGGY HALL: Stunning. Yeah.
THERESA BUCCOLA: And so I did a deep dive into the massive, I'm assuming, allegedly, the towing scheme that the Monterey County Sheriff's Department has. So—
PEGGY HALL: Stunning. Stunning.
THERESA BUCCOLA: So yeah, the deputy came onto an off-street parking facility. They call it a tow, but he stole my car. And then they dragged it 30 miles away to a tow yard and they eventually sold it. So I also did a deep dive into their policy manual into the vehicle codes. I found out he didn't get permission from the owner, which he's required to do, according to Vehicle Code 4000 subsection B3.
And I started submitting conditional acceptances to the Sheriff and the Under Sheriff. And eventually— well, it was only three and half months of this warpath and Chief Paul Tomasi lost his job.
PEGGY HALL: Let's pause again for a moment because you mentioned some things that are so important here. And I really want to applaud you and commend you, Theresa because, like you said in the beginning, we all were complaining. We were so taken by surprise, it was so outrageous, it was so blatant that our rights were being violated. And what I was disappointed— disappointed is a very mild word. What I was flabbergasted by was, you know, I expect these cops to be corrupt, you know, I call them the public serpents. What I didn't expect was to be left on my own by all my so-called fellow Americans that were not even going along with it, it was almost like they were excitedly, willingly, giddily you know handcuffing themselves.
THERESA BUCCOLA: Right.
PEGGY HALL: So that, that was my great disappointment. And I went through a grieving period as well. And there is a lot of PTSD surrounding all of that.
Very few people have done what you did. There are those, because I've interviewed them in the past, but there are very few, not only who have been arrested, and that was illegal and all of that, but what you did is you researched. You gained knowledge. You used their laws against them.
And that's what I have a question for you. Because you mentioned the professional conduct complaint. I think this is a hidden gem that no one knows about. So tell us what is a professional conduct complaint. Who can file one? How did you do that? And walk us through that before we go any farther.
THERESA BUCCOLA: So I would put in the title of the email Professional Conduct Complaint. And you report whatever dereliction of duty a public serpent has committed. You report it to their supervisor. And they are required, if it's a Peace Officer in California, the agency that you report them to has to alert you as to what the disposition of the complaint is. It's 832.7.
PEGGY HALL: OK and you just did this in an email, it was not a government form that you had to fill out or anything like that. No court involvement, just an individual in that city making a complaint against the peace officer. OK. Perfect.
THERESA BUCCOLA: And then there's also lawful notifications which I had delivered and served to the Police Department and to the Sheriff's Department regarding this instrument of human trafficking, as well as my car. And then, like I wrote you in the email, the Sheriff and Under Sheriff in my county have also resigned.
PEGGY HALL: So this is— I really want to camp out here for a moment. And again, a round of applause. So by putting them under the microscope, shining a flashlight on, a floodlight on them, and stating their criminal activity basically, their criminal behavior, the way that they treated you, and they, both the Sheriff and the Under Sheriff, and I remember reading that news article you sent me, and of course they used the tired old excuse of, I want to spend time with my family.
THERESA BUCCOLA: Right! [laughs]
PEGGY HALL: You want to spend time out of prison is what you want to do! And
you know, to tie into your story,Theresa, in Los Angeles, which is, you know, like the most populous county, one of the most populous counties in the United States, if not the,
certainly in California it is, the Sheriff and Under Sheriff of Los Angeles, the previous ones, just one generation previous, they're behind bars right now in Texas. They're serving hard time in federal prison. Now I don't want to say whether those were— I don't know anything about their case, I don't know if they were framed, I don't want to say that I know that they're guilty. But the fact is they are behind bars. And the fact is no one is above the law. In the County of Orange, my home county, a couple of sheriffs ago, his name, Mike Corona, if you can get that, he also was convicted and he spent time behind bars. OK, I don't know if they were set up, there's no much interaction and underhanded shenanigans going on in politics, who knows about those guys. But we we know about these sheriffs and how they treated you.
And why do you believe they resigned? What were they going to be facing?
THERESA BUCCOLA: I cannot say for certain that the Sheriff and the Under Sheriff were my responsibility. I know 99%, no, 100%, that the Chief of Police who is now a security guard at the Aquarium—***
PEGGY HALL: Ooh!
THERESA BUCCOLA: He retired from law enforcement altogether, 13 years with that department and he had to split.
PEGGY HALL: Wow.
THERESA BUCCOLA: So the Sheriff and the Under Sheriff, I would say it was likely that it had something to do with my paperwork. So the sheriff in our county was censored last spring for an illegal party that he threw. And so I think that he was already on the Board of Supervisors' radar. But what I should also report is that Chief Paul Tomasi of Carmel, Chief Andy Mills in Santa Cruz, Sheriff Steve Bernal and the Under Sheriff of Monterey County,
all resigned within two weeks.
PEGGY HALL: Wow.
THERSA BUCCOLA: So I had nothing to do with Santa Cruz County with Andy Mills. But it's kind of, you know, it's odd, the timing. And so the City Clerk of Carmel also wound up resigning. Whether or not I had anything to do with her, you know— they're not going to come out and say, you know, I don't want to be sued. But I'm beginning to see an easily observable pattern.
PEGGY HALL: You know, Theresa, let me stop for just a moment as well because I don't really watch TV, but you know, there's movies and books where it's like, you're going after them and exposing one action but there's probably something much deeper beneath the surface that could expose, so it's almost as if you stumbled into the lion's den and they were running— I'm not saying they did— but I'm giving an example of things like this— where you know, you find out they were running some kind of drug trafficking or child trafficking or who knows what, and they were like, uh oh, we shouldn't have arrested her because even that, you know, that's kind of an aside, but the investigations could have revealed the deeper stuff that they are involved in. And that just came to my mind right now because, as you say, you don't know how exactly how all of that is connected, but it definitely is. Those are not coincidences that that number of individuals, I mean, what are we talking about, five or six people now, at this point? With the sheriffs and the clerk?
THERESA BUCCOLA: In this county it would be four. I haven't seen anything about child trafficking at all. You know, what I did see, allegedly, was a huge towing scheme, like I said before. And we are, incidentally, still getting arrested on the beach in Santa Cruz.
PEGGY HALL: Arrested for what?
THERESA BUCCOLA: Violating posted hours. And so, I mean, it's been, they arrested I think 6 or 7 of us where it honestly looks like the Gestapo descend on the people that are sitting around a bonfire because we're there at 10:15 and they told us that we can only be there until 10 o'clock.
PEGGY HALL: [?]
THERESA BUCCOLA: And then they're cuffing us, charging us, taking us to jail. And so the fight that I'm in right now is to free the entire coast of California because that's not under the purview of the Gestapo and the police officers. It belongs to all of God's children.
PEGGY HALL: Yes, absolutely. So what are you doing, Theresa, and how can we help?
17:23
[END OF PART II]
Re: Peggy Hall Interviews Theresa Buccola - Pt 2
Date: 2022-11-18 03:22 am (UTC)THERESA BUCCOLA: So I didn't hire an attorney because my rights are a gift from God and so I have a duty to protect them. And so I started reading their policy manual. And the vehicle codes, the penal codes, the government codes, case law. And I started realizing that they were constantly either incompetent or lying.
This is incredible stuff!
Re: Peggy Hall Interviews Theresa Buccola - Pt 2
Date: 2022-11-18 12:39 pm (UTC)For those who are willing to take the trouble, it will be possible to "nail" them. As it were.
Peggy Hall Interviews Theresa Buccola - Part 3
Date: 2022-11-15 09:07 pm (UTC)PART III: Title 42 Section 1983 LAWSUIT FOR DEPRIVATION OF RIGHTS
ARRESTED & VINDICATED!! CA WOMAN TELLS HER STORY
The Healthy American Peggy Hall
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v9Irxv7g3E
October 20, 2022
17:24
THERESA BUCCOLA: OK. So. I recently filed a Title 42 Section 1983 lawsuit for a deprivation of my rights that stemmed from the unlawful arrest on the beach. And it's, I'm a pro se litigant.
PEGGY HALL: Explain to the viewers what that Title 42 is, and then what pro se litigant means. This is going to be very important for everybody to learn.
THERESA BUCCOLA: OK so pro se litigant means that I'm doing it myself and I have not hired, I haven't used an interloper, which is an attorney. So I have people that are assisting me, but this is all my paperwork. So I initially filed the complain where I listed all of the violations and the deprivation of rights that they committed, as well as what happened at the Police Department. And I am going to need to get discovery, due depositions, get transcripts, court reporters. And it's going to— I'll need resources. So I have basically turned their codes and words, being able to use it against them, I've like turned it into an art form.
PEGGY HALL: Well, you are an artist! [laughs]
THERESA BUCCOLA: Yeah. And so now I'm able to apply it to words and the written document. But going forward I will need the resources.
PEGGY HALL: Let me reflect back on what you said there. So Title 42, for those who want to learn more about this, that is a federal law and the section is 1983. And that says— and that's what we all have been experiencing— so any one of you that has been arrested, that has been prevented from going into a public library or a courthouse or even any public accommodation, a bank. And I want to talk about this for just a moment Theresa because like you, I'm going to embellish— well, I'm not saying you're embellishing, but I'm going to take an artistic approach here because many people have said to me, Peggy, you are applying federal laws wrongly, these are clerks at Trader Joe's***. And I'm going to tell you, if I were litigating in court I would make the case that they were only operating under that because the federal government told them to, and not only did they tell them to, they engaged in fraud by giving them money in order to do that. So it's called acting under the color of law. And even though they're not a federal employee and they're not even a state agent, they're a Trader Joe's clerk, but they didn't do that on their own accord. They did it because the government told them to do so. And I would argue that is, applies under Title 42, so all of you, all y'all, because we all have been discriminated against, this says that anyone that knowingly or unknowing deprives you of your rights that are protected under the Constitution, they are in violation of this section 1983.
And Theresa, my understanding of it, it's been a little while since I've read that, but in the early days I was really using that on my documents and paperwork because if it says, if anyone, if life was taken or harmed because of that action, that becomes the death penalty.
And I don't think these public serpents take that seriously. So let's say that you had a loved one in a hospital, and I don't even need to use that as a hypothetical, because so many people have had that, and they've been deprived of seeing their loved one because Medicare told them that they couldn't go in and see their loved one, and their loved one died. OK, that person, not the hospital, that individual, that individual that said you can't come in, because we're not talking about institutions, we're talking about the person. So that person, that nurse, that doctor, that gatekeeper, that receptionist that denied you entry, and there was a death or there was a physical harm, you can go for life imprisonment or the death penalty.
And people are going to say, there you go again, Peggy, proving that you're not a Christian, you're such a hypocrite. Well, I will just say that people need to be responsible for the consequences of their action, and the law provides for this. So I get, I'm all excited that you're doing Title 42! And I want everyone to know that that is available to them. And you're doing all the leg work. So you are reading about it, you're educating yourself.
And the other thing I want to say, Theresa, is I really want to point out and underline for those that are listening, that she is using federal law, and these other state statues, and, like she said, she's learning the language, she's using it, it's there to, that we can use to get our literally to get our day in court and to get our justice. Let justice be served.
So let me throw it back to you. I'm just so excited that you're doing that. It's massive. And friends, this is the law that many prisoners rely on when they are being maltreated, mistreated, by prison guards. So this is nothing new, it's not, like, oh, it'll never happen, it's archaic, nobody does it, no! These are the cases that are litigated, fought, and often ruled in favor of the plaintiff. So Theresa's the plaintiff, she's bringing that case forward, it's up to her to show and demonstrate the wrongs that were done to her.
So keep going, Theresa. What else?
THERESA BUCCOLA: OK so I'm fairly certain that if they work at the hospital they have to involve a public servant.
PEGGY HALL: OK.
THERESA BUCCOLA: In other words, if you try to get in and the hospital worker doesn't let you and they call the police and show up and then the police arrest you, then you can sue the police and the hospital worker.
PEGGY HALL: OK. Very good distinction.
THERESA BUCCOLA: I'm almost positive that you cannot, it's not in the private capacity that you would be able to sue them. So—
PEGGY HALL: But when those clerks, when those Trader Joe's clerks are calling the cops and you get arrested, yeah.
THERESA BUCCOLA: Then you can file a Title 42 against both the police officers and the Trader Joe's employees.
PEGGY HALL: Perfect. Excellent OK. Please continue.
THERESA BUCCOLA: What was your other question?
PEGGY HALL: You are doing a Title 42 1983 action. And who are you naming in this?
THERESA BUCCOLA: The officers that arrested me, and Monterey County and the City Administrator.
PEGGY HALL: Let me ask you—
THERESA BUCCOLA: I'm going to be adding in Does along the way. But they are so far unnamed in the complaint.
PEGGY HALL: OK. OK. So like the John Does and the Jane Does. Alright.
THERESA BUCCOLA: Hmm. Hmm.
PEGGY HALL: And let me ask you, Theresa, you had your car confiscated, stolen, sold. How do you feel living in the community, everybody— well, I don't know if everybody knows, but the public serpents knowing what you're doing? Any other incidents that have come up? I mean, you have a community around you, right, that is supporting you.
THERESA BUCCOLA: How do I think that the public serpents feel about me?
PEGGY HALL: Yeah.
THERESA BUCCOLA: That they underestimated me.
PEGGY HALL: Yes, yes. Absolutely.
25:08
[END OF PART III]
Re: Peggy Hall Interviews Theresa Buccola - Part 3
Date: 2022-11-16 03:37 pm (UTC)Re: Peggy Hall Interviews Theresa Buccola - Part 3
Date: 2022-11-16 03:51 pm (UTC)Re: Peggy Hall Interviews Theresa Buccola - Part 3
Date: 2022-11-16 08:30 pm (UTC)I used to be in the corporate world and know CEOs of companies and they're under a not-so-subtle pressure to conform to the narrative, whatever it happens to be at the time. Unless you're an entrepreneur, you very rarely get to CEO level without conforming and the same is true at the executive levels below CEO.
It's actually difficult for them to think about the stuff we talk about on here. They have to focus on performing within the system and to start doubting the system will affect their ability to do that.
Then you have the influence that comes via Blackrock etc and other institutional shareholders. If the CEO steps out of line, a word in the ear of board members and he/she will quickly be on their way.
So the vax mandates are the system and people following the narrative. In most cases there would be very little thinking about it - just conform and protect your salary and perks. The system has treated them well so far, so why would they step out of line?
Re: Peggy Hall Interviews Theresa Buccola - Part 3
Date: 2022-11-17 01:13 am (UTC)But then, lo and behold, things change... and it turns out the vaxes are not safe, they are not effective, and to have imposed "jab or job" is to have violated people's rights. And now some of them have found lawyers, And there will be consequences.
That's what I am saying.
Re: Peggy Hall Interviews Theresa Buccola - Part 3
Date: 2022-11-18 06:01 am (UTC)only non too big to fail types will face "justice." i think how the ftx polyamorous c-suite fares under the ministrations of the department of justice will go a long way in setting the example that true villains like fauci, daszak &c will have to worry about.
so, as per usual, expect a handful of little guys to be harshly sentenced, while the bigger fish swim free. it's how the empire rolls.
justice and accountability, like taxes, are for the little people.
Re: Peggy Hall Interviews Theresa Buccola - Part 3
Date: 2022-11-19 02:53 am (UTC)Yep. Bigger fish can afford better lawyers.
Re: Peggy Hall Interviews Theresa Buccola - Part 3
Date: 2022-11-19 04:31 am (UTC)Re: Peggy Hall Interviews Theresa Buccola - Part 3
Date: 2022-11-20 11:08 am (UTC)she still gets to appeal the sentence, so she might end up walking once nobody is paying attention.
if it sticks, then the game is afoot. how big and connected do you have to be to be too big to be prosecuted? i'm looking at you, ftx c-suite.
Re: Peggy Hall Interviews Theresa Buccola - Part 3
Date: 2022-11-17 02:57 am (UTC)So degrading any applause in concrete...
I think JMG would approve that I have heard a lot from major corporate America that supports this comment.
The CEOs are largely ignorant. Most of the higher officers are ignorant. Their low level corporate hirers are even more ignorant!
I know JMG could track me down, so please edit as you wish host of such goodness.
Damn, I really just want to amplify this post I'm replying to...
I may try a "not for posting" to you JMG, just busy.
Re: Peggy Hall Interviews Theresa Buccola - Part 3
Date: 2022-11-17 10:19 am (UTC)(Many don't know this but the only reason many non-profits including churches force volunteers and staff to undergo background checked for criminal activity - particularly child abuse - is because liability insurance carriers who've been forced to pay out for all these sex abuse claims force the orgs and churches to do it. There's rarely a state law to do so, or the law came a decade after the insurance companies imposed the mandate.)
Re: Peggy Hall Interviews Theresa Buccola - Part 3
Date: 2022-11-17 02:03 am (UTC)Couple this with the "child trafficking" hints about where Peggy's coming from, and this is pretty chilling. It's indeed horrific that people died in hospitals with no visiting rights, but most of those people weren't killed BY the lack of visiting rights; most would have died anyway. And even the doctors weren't setting those policies. The nurse who had no influence over policy at all, the receptionist at the hospital's front desk who told families the hospital was closed to visitors - who couldn't possibly have been responsible for any deaths because she doesn't do patient care - Peggy wants these unlucky health care workers to be KILLED, or to spend their lives (I suspect) in some equivalent of the salt mines?
I presume she thinks that we should plan to use only prayer for health care, because if we started executing random people for having worked in hospitals during the godawful covid lockdowns - rather than quitting their jobs to protest en masse, leaving their patients to die! - within six weeks there would be no more health care industry in the U.S. Which is to say: this person's some kind of crazy.
-Translucent Jejune Octopus
Re: Peggy Hall Interviews Theresa Buccola - Part 3
Date: 2022-11-17 05:20 am (UTC)The child trafficking mention I did not take as a hint but as an analogy. Of course you could see it as a hint, too. But I did not. My point: that's not the only way to read it.
That said, I would agree with you in that I don't think Peggy Hall expressed herself well here on the issue of murder. But it didn't strike me that way because I am already quite familiar with many cases where it really does look like murder-- where a family member was barred from seeing a loved one and the loved one died as a consequence of gross neglect-- dehydration, starvation, neglect of routine diabetic care, etc. There have in fact been many, many instances where a case that the covid patient was actually murdered can be made. In Florida, attorney Rachel Rodriguez is representing several families where, she says, there is "documented medical murder" and "you will hear a pattern of starvation, deprivation of food for many days, intentional dehydration, families pressured to sign a Do Not Resuscitate consent form, often as a precondition to being able to see their loved one in person." Several testimonies by family members were transcribed here for this forum in recent weeks. They sure didn't sound like the usual, the "person would have died anyway" to me. And this was happening in several different hospitals.
I got red-pilled on this subject last year with the Albert Pence pulmonary nurse testimony
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/149639.html?thread=19169159#cmt19169159
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/149639.html?thread=19169671#cmt19169671
and I've since seen a lot more of the same.
I don't think Peggy Hall says anywhere, either in this video, nor on her other many videos, that she would plan to use prayer only for health care or want to execute random people. I think she's simply saying, when crimes have been committed, there needs to be accountability before the law-- and the law can in fact be quite severe. That the law can be severe, that's not an opinion but a statement of fact.
Again, thanks for reading and for commenting.
Re: Peggy Hall Interviews Theresa Buccola - Part 3
Date: 2022-11-17 05:32 am (UTC)Untold numbers of people died this way, and it didn't have to be. Separating patients from their supportive advocates went a long way to hospital administrations across this land being able to collect that sweet sweet covid bonus money.
Murmuration
Re: Peggy Hall Interviews Theresa Buccola - Part 3
Date: 2022-11-17 02:26 pm (UTC)Anyway, the receptionist sure isn't on the hook for someone dying because of poor treatment.
Re: Peggy Hall Interviews Theresa Buccola - Part 3
Date: 2022-11-17 04:37 pm (UTC)RE the receptionists. Yes, they didn't inject anyone. But they were support staff for the people who did. Do they deserve extreme levels of retribution? Obviously not. They won't be involved in Nuremberg 2. Are they morally on the hook though? Yup.
Murmuration
Re: Peggy Hall Interviews Theresa Buccola - Part 3
Date: 2022-11-18 01:10 am (UTC)Re: Peggy Hall Interviews Theresa Buccola - Part 3
Date: 2022-11-18 10:28 am (UTC)"Some folks were ventilated."
Re: Peggy Hall Interviews Theresa Buccola - Part 3
Date: 2022-11-18 01:13 am (UTC)Had the receptionists walked off the job, hospital administrations would have locked the front doors, not flung them open to the world. As for doctors and nurses, I believe most hospital workers in 2020 did the best job they knew how, often at their own risk, while having to obey management and government dictates that were often well-intentioned, but excessive and cruel. If they could have guessed that avoiding the threat of Nuremberg 2 required them to respond to that unfairness by quitting and giving up their careers, the already shambolic health care response would have been even worse. Had the doctors and nurses quit because they thought covid patients were being badly managed, a lot more people would have died of appendicitis and heart attacks out in the parking lots of shuttered hospitals. And they didn't have the option to say they would stay on but only to treat non-covid patients.
Some health care workers clearly lost their heads (or marbles) and did things that were illegal or morally indefensible. Most of them were just trying to do their jobs. Most people in any walk of life are not devils. Hindsight is 20/20. And most Americans either have a nurse or three in their families, whom they know to be hardworking and decent, or know someone whose life has been saved or bettered by good medical care. If they're like me, they have plenty of malpractice stories to go along with those. Still, the idea of sending the town's HCPs to the gulag is not going to be an easy sell for most of us.
-Translucent Jejune Octopus
Re: Peggy Hall
Date: 2022-11-18 04:23 am (UTC)I've been that voice in the past here, and I don't always have the energy for it.
Like all internet forums/communities that persist for some time, this one is developing a group of "regulars" who post most often and a certain "vibe" that develops as a result. My sense is that the "all nurses are party to mass murder", "even the receptionists are guilty", us vs. them vibe represents the views of a small but very vocal section of the commentariat. Thank you for speaking your own truth.
Re: Peggy Hall
Date: 2022-11-18 07:10 pm (UTC)I am surely part of those regulars. I also thank both of you, and Hearthspirit, for constantly attempting to pop bubbles. Please continue. Even beliefs I feel intensely, I tried to hold lightly. I'm always grateful for pushback, even if I wind up disagreeing in the end anyway. At least I've thought through opposing views before I continue to hold a belief lightly.
If I had to guess, the McCarthyite and Nuremberg calls surely correlate strongly to how insane your area was during the depths. I'd guess in red and purple areas calls are lower, and in blue areas, despite the blue veneer, there are more grumbling McCarthyite's that is immediately apparent.
Murmuration
Re: Peggy Hall
Date: 2022-11-18 10:33 pm (UTC)Certainly the desire for something on the spectrum from apology to accountability to revenge will correlate with the degree of harm incurred. I'm in a pretty crazy-blue area but by virtue of being self employed and not having children and having mostly-reasonable friends and family I haven't had a horror-story experience.
I think you can make a strong ethical argument for tallying those who had courage to resist and those who went along out of fear and those who were true believers.
I also think that once this expands from the scale of a bank robbery or a mafia to an entire segment of society that has propagated crimes against another segment, that this approach is more likely to perpetuate cycles of othering and division than it is to heal them, and that it is better to leave the balancing of the scales to a higher power.
I think that to hold judgment and contempt for others in our hearts generates hardness and bitterness and can create a victim mentality from which it becomes easy to blame our problems and emotions on others and find reasons to assign others to the class of "perpetrators". This particular thought pattern seems to have poisoned the social justice movement. Although justice and accountability may be laudable goals, I'm not sure it is possible to seek them without falling into this pattern.
It is, on the other hand, possible to create a positive coalescing movement focusing on ending ongoing harm and standing up for personal freedoms (see e.g. Canadian truckers, Civil Rights movement), even potentially winning over those who were previously on the other side. That is the direction I would like to see our society go after this, rather than focusing on justice and accountability.
Re: Peggy Hall
Date: 2022-11-19 02:48 am (UTC)"standing up for personal freedoms" -- that gets my whole-hearted applause.
Thanks for your comment.
Re: Peggy Hall Interviews Theresa Buccola - Part 3
Date: 2022-11-18 06:35 am (UTC)i respectfully submit these people were more concerned with keeping their jobs, rather than doing them. if they were concerned about malpractice issues and were even remotely informed, they would have quit.
it was, admittedly, a confusing and trying time. people were living paycheck to paycheck and faced with all sorts of inconvenient, even ruinous outcomes if said paycheck didn't show up in time to make their monthly payments. a consequence of playing the game.
it's still not a reason to allow people "just following orders" to walk away scot-free. does the receptionist deserve the death penalty? no. does the receptionist have to do 60 hours of community service and think about how and why what they did was wrong? maybe.
until the persons responsible for the bad orders are held to account, it's a fool's errand to worry about the underlings.
Re: Peggy Hall Interviews Theresa Buccola - Part 3
Date: 2022-11-18 06:38 pm (UTC)I don't know that it's a pointless exercise now, or McCarthyism, to metaphorically or collectively tally up those who chose to keep making Porsche payments (or simply rent) in one group, and those who also had bills to pay also, but decided to make hard sacrifices, in another. Seems like something worth doing as a society, if you want to reward the character traits of moral courage and stiff spines. Maybe we aren't going for that any longer though.
Murmuration
Re: Peggy Hall Interviews Theresa Buccola - Part 3
Date: 2022-11-19 02:17 pm (UTC)https://brownstone.org/articles/tribunals-would-introduce-dangers-of-their-own/
TL:DR - "[A]ny such tribunal would be a political body. Each proceeding would be incurably and poisonously political, as would each finding, verdict, and sentence." And, because "almost every significant change in policy can be portrayed by its opponents as an unwarranted assault on humanity ... empaneling tribunals today to punish officials whose policy choices were implemented yesterday will, going forward, discourage not only the active taking of bad policies, but also the active taking of good policies." The "satisfaction and gratification [of seeing today's leaders punished] would be swamped by fear of the actions of future tribunals."
It's easy to say, from the outside and post facto, that if HCPs cared about malpractice they would have quit, and that if they didn't think malpractice was happening in their hospital, well, they SHOULD have. But if staff had quit en masse from hospitals that banned visitation, that would have done more harm by leaving patients uncared for, not only those dying of covid but those dying of every other cause. Would they not have had equal reason to fear future tribunals for abandoning patients to suffer and die? Even under present rules, it could be grounds for loss of license at least.
Tribunals can sentence people to labor, and in some regimes to public self-abasement sessions, but they can't make people actually "think about how and why what they did was wrong." If anything, those who feel they're being persecuted for having tried to do right will thereafter be less willing to consider that they might have erred from ignorance. Boudreaux suggests public hearings to address what happened, but not to target individuals for punishment. That strikes me as a far more rational approach, and one less likely to create a weapon that could later be turned back upon its creators.
-Translucent Jejune Octopus
Re: Peggy Hall Interviews Theresa Buccola - Part 3
Date: 2022-11-19 08:10 pm (UTC)Re: Peggy Hall Interviews Theresa Buccola - Part 3
Date: 2022-11-18 12:51 pm (UTC)You make good points.
I don't agree with your take on Peggy Hall, however, because I have watched many of her videos and I do not have that impression at all. In the interview, after making her rather shocking statement, she goes on to ask Thesa Buccola further questions, and the inerview goes into further detail that clarifies things somewhat, so yours isn't my take-home conclusion.
But I would agree with you in that I do believe that most hospital staff were doing their honest, energetic, best to care for their patients, and unfortunately, we are going to see some lawsuits targeting people who don't deserve to be targeted. And in some cases the plaintiffs may have a highly distorted view of things. When a loved one has died, it is, alas, oftentimes be the case, that the bereaved want to blame someone, and they blame someone who doesn't deserve the blame. I have no doubt that many doctors and nurses have terrible stories to tell of injustice in this regard.
Re: Peggy Hall Interviews Theresa Buccola - Part 3
Date: 2022-11-19 02:41 am (UTC)In short, it's complex picture, with good and bad.
I think it's also fair to say that for most people, including hospital workers, the first stages of the covid catastrophe were very frightening and very confusing.
Re: Peggy Hall Interviews Theresa Buccola - Part 3
Date: 2022-11-17 02:26 pm (UTC)Peggy Hall Interviews Theresa Buccola - Part 4
Date: 2022-11-15 09:08 pm (UTC)PART IV SPIRITUAL GROUNDING IN THE FIGHT FOR JUSTICE
ARRESTED & VINDICATED!! CA WOMAN TELLS HER STORY
The Healthy American Peggy Hall
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v9Irxv7g3E
October 20, 2022
25:09
THERESA BUCCOLA: And I— you know I do want to give them peaceful discipline, but I, you know, the whole reason that I went out there was, you know, it's a duty to God. And I would hope that through this process they are brought back to God. That's what I really hope.
PEGGY HALL: I love that. That is the only answer. And that is why they are acting the way they are, they have no conscience. They are serving man or money, probably both. Abnd yeah. These actions are very important. We've been seeing so many good rulings coming out of federal courts. This can't continue. But it's because of people like you that are standing up. And —
THERESA BUCCOLA: It doesn't really matter I guess what happens to me in this battle. I know that I have to do this. I know that God is with me and that whatever it is that God decides happens is under His grace. So I have to be doing— I was born to do this really.
PEGGY HALL: Amen, amen, yes, you're here for this time. And as you say, little did they know who they were dealing with. And I love how you conduct yourself. I kind of get on my rants [laughs] and I flip my lid sometimes. But you know, you're based on the facts, you're doing the law, you're educating yourself, you've gained all of this knowledge. You've put them on notice, you filed these records, these notices of complaint, and lawful notification. They need to know.
And the other thing that I want everybody to understand who's listening, you may be saying, Peggy, it's overwhelming, I don't understand, I can't read the law. That's alright. What you can do is what Theresa did. And she stepped out on that beach. She was an example to others of living in liberty.
I get comments a lot from people, Theresa, that will say, we need one unified, massive, organization to fight this. And I'm thinking, you know, isn't that kind of like the New World Order and the World Economic—? They want one—
THERESA BUCCOLA: Yeah, yeah.
PEGGY HALL: No, we don't need one major, we need each individual living in freedom, doing what you can, and that may be that you are choosing, I'm not going to here, or I am going to here, speaking to other people, donating if you're able to. Sharing the videos. Being educated yourself. Staying in a high level of, you know, don't let your morale dip down. You need to stay psychologically and physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, intellectually strong. Don't be in the spin cycle. It's important to get things off our chest, it's OK to complain, and then that can drive us towards some solutions, but not to stay in the spin cycle. So Theresa you're such an excellent example this.
We do have a couple more minutes here. If there's anything else you would like to share.
THERESA BUCCOLA: I wanted to explain that it's thrilling to realize how much power one man or woman has. And all it takes is a little elbow grease and time. And, I mean, I would prefer not to have to catch them in lies, I would prefer that they are the heroes that I'm sure most of them wanted to become when they joined the force. But when they've harmed you, if you start doing the research, you realize, that they don't, I mean, most of them don't even know their jobs. And so I get a huge kick out of it. And I also like considering that the Police Department is probably concerned that they're going to run into another Theresa Buccola all day long! You know? [laughs]
PEGGY HALL: [laughs] That's right!
THERESA BUCCOLA: I hope that it sort of has righted the ship in some way.
PEGGY HALL: I like that.
THERESA BUCCOLA: And that's the reason also that I need to carry the lawsuit through to completion because once that occurs down here then we're going to need to shift it up to the Park Rangers in Santa Cruz and all along the coast of California so that they just, they stop imprisoning us for standing in the sand.
PEGGY HALL: That's so powerful. You're absolutely right, they probably are looking over their shoulder, waiting to see who's going to be coming in the door, what email is going to come in next. And it should be like that because they are our servants. And I use that phrase to poke at the evildoers but there are those that are in public service that are people of ethics and morals and, you know, they're in favor of actually serving the public. I know some of them personally. So when I say the public serpents I'm speaking about the criminals, the evildoers, and it's a way of you know, mildly, not even mildly, but pointing at them and having them look at themselves in the mirror.
And that is the real prayer, that is the real work, that they will turn from the lies, the deception, the fraudulent activity, and face the truth of reality of, wow, I participated in this wrongdoing. And I'm like you, Theresa, I'm a person who just stands for justice, I can't
stand to see it, long before this, you know, I just could not stand to see the injustices and now it's just really bringing it to the forefront and it's so widespread. But it's backfiring. Even, you know, this has nothing to do with vaccines, I never even say that word, I call it the cooties cure, I've been so censored on my public platforms that even saying the v-word is enough to trigger the algorithm. But this conversation is just about your rights. It's about your rights that come from God and these institutions do not have the right to violate them. And because man and woman, right, we have human frailties, there are those that are driven by ego and power and money and they, just like you say, it's thrilling to be engaged in bringing people to justice, there are those that are thrilled by committing crimes. And so it's a part of the life experience. And it's, we're here now, it's gotten to a bigger level, it's more widespread. And it's backfiring.
I've heard from many people in the medical field that have come to me for help with their religious exemption. They used to get the flu shot every year, and they said, you know, not only am I'm not getting the cooties shot, I'm never going to do the flu shot again.
THERESA BUCCOLA: [?]
PEGGY HALL: Because now I know, and I'm not getting any of the other shots because it's like you pushed so hard, now my eyes are open, they're telling me.
And also they are seeing the patients coming into the hospital and they're seeing what's happening to them and why that's happening. I'll just leave it that way.
THERSA BUCCOLA: Right.
PEGG HALL: And everybody has the right to chose what they want to do. Take the cocktail or not. But evil is vanquished in the end. It carries within in itself seeds of destruction. Good will always overwhelm bad if we stand on that. We can't fight evil with evil. And I really want to thank you for that because you are an example of, you're not doing anything out of maliciousness, you're not doing it out of vengeance, you're doing it out of, this is the law. And you are paving the way for everyone behind you.
So it's like, well, maybe it's it's over, we can go to the beach. No, that's not the point! The point is, what society are we leaving behind? What messages are other community members seeing? And—
THERESA BUCCOLA: I want to say something before we sign off. One thing I do in my paperwork is I include sections out of their mission statement and their policy manual where they say things like, I swear to gain the public trust through honesty. Sometimes I also include Biblical verse, you know, like, I love the one about Corinthians, where we do not veil our face.
PEGGY HALL: Yes.
THERESA BUCCOLA: And I just hope that as they're reading, I would assume, it might be a distant bell, but they remember how far, how disengaged they are from what they promised to the people that they would do. And so you know maybe something, a little bit of a twinge, goes off in their hearts. And so, I mean, it is about the lawsuit, it is about getting justice, but I'm also trying to reach them. Trying to reach them.
PEGGY HALL: That's wonderful, Theresa. It is what God put you here to do. I'm here with you every step of the way.
She's doing it pro se which is, she is representing herself. And I will say Theresa I think that's fantastic. And I have not had any court cases, I'm involved in one right now but it's even gone to court yet we're just in the— [laughs]—the county is saying I don't have the right to sue them. Oh, yeah, that's going to be fun. So we'll have a hearing on that. But I've heard from pro se litigants in the past who told me that it was an advantage in many ways, many ways, but one that just comes to mind is that because you're not a licensed attorney, and they've got licensed attorneys who are showing up, the judge is required to actually explain things in layman's terms. And if there's something you don't understand, you can say, excuse me, I don't understand. And if this is in front of a jury as it should be, they are going to see, wow, they're totally ganging up on her! They brought in all the big guns, and she's you know a community member here that was wrongly violated, her rights were wrongly violated, and she's standing up for people like us! So I think it's a very powerful position to be in. And I can't wait to follow this. And I want to thank you so much for coming on today, for being in touch with me all this time.
THERSA BUCCOLA: Welcome.
PEGGY HALL: And yeah, one of these days when I get back up there we're going to have to go to the beach together.
THERESA BUCCOLA: That would be awesome.
PEGGY HALL: Bonfire in Santa Cruz! [laughs]
THERESA BUCCOLA: The guy that has helping me with the lawsuit, after we're done winning that he thinks Carmel should name a martini after me, like the Buccola Beach martini.
PEGGY HALL: I love it, I love it. Well stick with me, Theresa, we're going to stop the livestream but stick with me just a moment, thanks everybody for watching, for being a support, for asking these important questions like Theresa is doing and, you know, going to bat by just standing up and living in freedom. If you've been complying with any of this stuff, now is the day to stop. And I know it's not easy but it's a lot easier than living the rest of your life disappointing yourself and not standing in dignity and integrity.
36:49
[END]
Peggy Hall Interviews Theresa Buccola - Notes
Date: 2022-11-15 09:09 pm (UTC)The Healthy American Peggy Hall
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v9Irxv7g3E
October 20, 2022
Parts 1-4 posted above
TRANSCRIBER'S NOTES:
*The title is "Arriving on a Closed Beach and Scaring the Cops Off"
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/cdHlcKBimlU
Another video on the same channel is entitled "Day 12 Free People Opened a Closed Beach"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21jAPMLT2F4
**The link is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWwRz187hy0
It's a shocking video. Buccola is tackled, thrown to the ground, and handcuffed by two masked officers while her friends protest loudly. At 3:56 Police Chief Tomasi does indeed open the door to allow the two officers to drag her inside.
***According to the Monterey Herald, Paul Tomasi took a job as Head of Security for the Monterey Aquarium.
https://www.montereyherald.com/2021/10/13/carmel-city-council-appoints-interim-police-chief/
**** Trader Joe's is a US supermarket chain. Until the CDC changed its guidance in 2022 Trader Joe's had imposed a mask mandate on their customers— I believe this is what Peggy Hall is referring to.
Re: Peggy Hall Interviews Theresa Buccola - Notes
Date: 2022-11-16 04:35 am (UTC)Re: Peggy Hall Interviews Theresa Buccola - Notes
Date: 2022-11-16 04:11 pm (UTC)Re: Peggy Hall Interviews Theresa Buccola - Notes
Date: 2022-11-16 10:48 pm (UTC)Idea... Red's Java House July 4
Date: 2022-11-15 09:48 pm (UTC)DONE!
So far idea now is Red's Java House July 4th.
Because of Eric Hoffer.
It's SO perfect that i'd expect a snag. Like it'll be rented for a wedding or closes at noon.
But you being first to confirm means YOU have first choice of location as you are from far.
So add that consideration to your pile of thinking.
You first.
Erika
Re: Idea... Red's Java House July 4
Date: 2022-11-16 02:37 am (UTC)Eric Hoffer was the first nationally famous person I ever met. He wrote “The True Believer” which my Dad told me was one of the most important social philosophy books ever written. He showed me his copies of Mr. Hoffer’s books we had at home and offered to introduce me to him but warned me Mr Hoffer might be very shy towards me, likely would look like a wino panhandling bum, and perhaps not smell great. I was a first grader in grammar school and decided if my Dad thought Mr. Hoffer was a very important person I’d be lucky to meet him.
A few weeks later I was dressed in my normal Big City clothes of a nice dress with white knee socks and patent leather Mary Jane buttoned shoes sitting on one of my Dad’s handkerchiefs spread out on a splintery old pier on the San Francisco waterfront outside Red’s Java just south of the San Francisco-Oakland Bridge. As I munched on a hamburger, my Dad introduced me to Mr. Hoffer. Indeed, he looked like a wino panhandling bum in dark brownish clothes with stains in a cloud of cigar smoke but while he did not talk a lot to me, I recall his piercing eyes and my Dad’s ease of conversation with him. They’d known each other for many years by that point.
My Dad was working then during the height of the Anti-Vietnam War protests as a salesman for ... with a sales territory running from San Francisco’s Financial District to the printing and warehouse district south of Mission Street both close to the waterfront. He’d grown up in Brooklyn and later out near the working farms of Long Island, and had always loved exploring and meeting new people. Once as a young kid he took the train to New York City, walked around the shoreline of the entire island of Manhattan just to see if he could do it in one day, came home, and when his mother asked what he did that day, she refused to believe it. His father had grown up near the Gowanus Canal in Brooklyn when it was an open sewer and worked as a clerk with a U.S. merchant marine shipping company thus my Dad was extremely comfortable with everyone working on any waterfront.
He explained to me how Mr. Hoffer had been a San Francisco longshoreman and had used his free time reading, thinking, watching, and writing. Mr. Hoffer knew well a fellow San Francisco longshoreman, Mr. Harry Bridges, who founded the first union for longshoreman in the U.S. after the violent 1934 West Coast waterfront strikes Bridges led in San Francisco and was well versed in Bridges’ many trials from 1939 - 1955, mostly unsuccessful attempts by government authorities to deport him as an Australian Communist.
My Dad also explained to me as we ate outside Red’s Java with Mr. Hoffer and at other dad/daughter lunches there how the San Francisco waterfront was nearly dead as we looked at the sad empty piers on either side of the pier where we'd sit. The old merchant ships which needed many longshoreman to load and unload cargo were now almost all gone thanks to the new container shipping facility in Oakland built after President Eisenhower’s Interstate Highway system was nearly complete which made truck cargo more efficient. The U.S. flagged merchant ships were nearly all by then flying flags of other countries using cheaper foreign seaman because those countries allowed significantly lower wages and benefits. After one lunch, he showed me the San Francisco seaman and longshoreman union hiring halls which had many out of work men sitting forlornly on the curbs nearby hoping for work or just panhandling.
I learned Mr. Hoffer’s theory was that mass movements virtually always started with angry people. How they easily can spin out of control when emotions literally run riot. Seeing the dying waterfront full of empty piers and warehouses, I learned directly what it means when an industry’s technology changes while uncompetitive hiring practices and unreciprocal maritime treaties decimate a local industry.
The day Apple and Amazon kicked Parler.com off its servers last month, I immediately thought of Mr. Hoffer and his ideas about mass movements and angry emotional people, Mr. Bridges and his long fights for those working on the waterfronts, and Mrs. Kay Graham as a young women walking the San Francisco waterfront the 1930’s and later publishing The Pentagon Papers in her father's Washington Post. I like to imagine the ghosts of Eric, Harry, and Kay having choice words for Jeff Bezos and anyone else who thinks throttling Free Speech, or denigrate and ignore those who choose not to go college and instead learn a hands-on skill are ever good ideas.
My Dad taught me very young the expression, “I will defend to the death another person’s right of Free Speech” in order to make Free Speech truly available for all. He also taught me to have fun while laughing at the always crazy world.
Re: Idea... Red's Java House July 4
Date: 2022-11-16 05:17 am (UTC)"for the first time in history, the common people could do things on their own."
"and i'm convinced that the intellectual, as a type, as a group, are more corrupted by power than any other human type."
i was unaware of eric hoffer. thank you for bringing him up. he said all those things in a short video i just watched. he sums up, for better or worse, what used to be good and now is not, about america.
i'm not certain that america is, or ever was, "god's gift to the poor." the poor have mostly been mistreated as far as i can tell, by those in power. yeah they have cheap teevees and running (yet still polluted) water. are we really better off than medieval serfs?
well, we do have the teevees and cellphones, the opportunity to get rich via lottery, sports betting or the stock market. we are not tied to the land anymore, the land that was once upon a time affordable to the commoner, but increasingly not nowadays.
"heart reaching out to heart
hand reaching out to hand
they began to build our land"
those that care need to start thinking about the hands and hearts. and how they will reach out. let's see how that works.
Re: Idea... Red's Java House July 4
Date: 2022-11-16 08:43 am (UTC)X
Re: Idea... Red's Java House July 4
Date: 2022-11-16 03:35 pm (UTC)Re: Idea... Red's Java House July 4
Date: 2022-11-16 04:54 pm (UTC)Thank you so very much for this rich story told with such great élan.
Re: Idea... Red's Java House July 4
Date: 2022-11-16 07:23 pm (UTC)Re: Idea... Red's Java House July 4
Date: 2022-11-17 04:58 am (UTC)Great idea btw! I'm looking forward to it 👍
Murmuration
Re: Idea... Red's Java House July 4
Date: 2022-11-17 04:36 pm (UTC)(huuuge smile)
erika
Re: Idea... Red's Java House July 4
Date: 2022-11-17 04:31 pm (UTC)If Red's falls through for some reason, I would suggest the burger joint that refused to demand proof of vaccination when that was enough to get them in Big Trouble. It's on the other side of town, a touristy area, but I'd rather give them my dollar than any swanky spot of haute cuisine that demanded we bend over and take the injection of Science and Progress.
Kevin
Re: Idea... Red's Java House July 4
Date: 2022-11-17 07:45 pm (UTC)thanks for one-upping all this, raising me to In and Out Burgers!
Perfect.
i like this story already...
In and Out Burger. i'll add it on the calendar. when it's on my calendar and i plan this far in advance, it's a Thing. Almost an opening ditty to my novel, but better because it's writing itself in The Real.
In and Out Burger, July 4th, as long as they're open.
and YES of course! anyone in the world is welcome.
a most emphatic and "that's the POINT!" Yes! anyone can show up infiltrate chill hang. anyone.
x
erika
Long term sickness
Date: 2022-11-15 09:55 pm (UTC)In the UK is the amount of workers with long term illness 25% higher than in 2019. (https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peoplenotinwork/economicinactivity/articles/halfamillionmorepeopleareoutofthelabourforcebecauseoflongtermsickness/2022-11-10). Robert Preston has an interesting twitter thread the report. Quote: "The sharp rises in long-term sickness among those aged between 16 and 34 are especially worrying... A 42% rise in withdrawals from the labour market for those aged 25 to 34 is very striking and disturbing" (https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1592427793073451014)
In Ireland not all is well too. Almost 90% of those living with #LongCovid in Ireland have not returned to their pre-Covid level of health, according to a new study of 988 participants https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjl84882897o
And here is the latest chart for the US.
As you can see the steep rise is continuing here also.
This is really not looking good. The steep rise in long-term sickness still continues unabated. The vaxx-fever has quieted down, but people are still dropping out of the workforce.
There are several aspects that hinder getting a clear view of our situation. First and foremost the unwillingness of authorities and MSM to adress this issue. Another complication in the analysis of the cause is that vaxx damage and C19 damage are not very well to distinguish. On twitter I see people with horrible effects of long covid still wanting the vaxx as they believe it will protect them from further harm. Even many medical specialists seem to believe that. Of course the long covid could be caused by the vaxx itself, but many people do not seem aware of that. My guess would be that the spike protein is still harming people through the many pathways we discussed here. Especially tolerance and immune dysfunction could explain the current trends. But whatever the cause, the trend is quite disturbing.
Re: Long term sickness
Date: 2022-11-15 10:14 pm (UTC)https://www.rintrah.nl/wheres-the-vaccine-enhanced-covid-apocalypse-you-promised-me/
Here it is. The hospitals can’t cope. Everyone has some T-cell immunity so we no longer get people on ventilators with ARDS, but the apocalypse is unfolding around you. The problems are similar in the Netherlands, the government is scrapping standards for when you can expect an ambulance to arrive. Thousands of COVID patients here are sent home with oxygen bags, so they don’t show up in the statistics.
Re: Long term sickness
Date: 2022-11-16 02:03 pm (UTC)Re: Long term sickness
Date: 2022-11-16 04:51 pm (UTC)Re: Long term sickness
Date: 2022-11-18 12:37 am (UTC)Re: Long term sickness
Date: 2022-11-16 05:22 pm (UTC)Re: Long term sickness
Date: 2022-11-16 07:37 pm (UTC)We should be all dying from monkeypox right now, according to him
Re: Long term sickness
Date: 2022-11-15 11:09 pm (UTC)"the unwillingness of authorities and MSM to address this issue" No surprise, they're the ones who caused it. The MSM is totally captured and a key part of the propaganda machine.
Mercola published an article about long COVID recently. Excerpts:
In an effort to identify long COVID biomarkers, the researchers measured levels of three SARS-CoV-2 antigens: spike protein, the S1 subunit of the spike protein and the nucleocapsid (outer protein coat) of the virus.
All three antigens were found in the blood of 65% of the long COVID patients tested, but the spike protein was the most common, and remained elevated the longest. So, in short, a hallmark of long COVID is the long-term presence of spike protein, and spike protein is precisely what the COVID jabs are instructing your cells to create.
COVID Jab Deaths Are Being Buried
All in all, evidence shows the COVID jabs are an absolute health disaster, yet our health agencies are doing nothing to prevent it. On the contrary, they’ve doubled and tripled down on their COVID shot recommendations while simultaneously burying incriminating evidence.
. . . there appears to be extreme reluctance to addressing post-jab long COVID symptoms publicly. Why?
Dr. Avindra Nath, clinical director at the National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke (NINDS) and the one leading the NIH’s investigation into long COVID, gives us a clue.
“Probing possible side effects presents a dilemma to researchers: They risk fomenting rejection of vaccines that are generally safe, effective, and crucial to saving lives,” Science writes. “‘You have to be very careful’ before tying COVID vaccines to complications, Nath cautions. ‘You can make the wrong conclusion … The implications are huge.’”
In other words, it’s all about protecting the vaccine industry, which has now merged with and become the experimental gene therapy industry.
Re: Long term sickness
Date: 2022-11-16 05:36 pm (UTC)Re: Long term sickness
Date: 2022-11-16 08:52 pm (UTC)I keep a library of his articles, so I can paste it in here if JMG agrees (copyright?).
Mike Adams at www.naturalnews.com has interviews about the same subject. You can also find them on www.brighteon.com. Rumble usually has a good selection too.
Re: Long term sickness
Date: 2022-11-17 09:49 pm (UTC)Re: Long term sickness
Date: 2022-11-16 05:51 pm (UTC)The current trends are:
- the elderly and fragile are dying
- the younger ones are being incapacitated
- the babies ar not being born
- excess mortality is mainly sudden death (as per English data)
- cause of excess death is heartfailure, stroke, diabetes and (in N-America) cancer
As to the causes of these trends I can only say:
- the few autopsies done on died suddenly victims show abundant spike all over the body
- there is no sufficient research done as to how long spike stays active in the body after infection or vaccination.
As a final point, and this might come as a surprise, but in my estimation there is no clear signal in the data linking the excess mortality to the vax. This doesn't mean there is no relation, only that the (publicly available) data warrant neither confirmation nor denial of a causal relationship.
Re: Long term sickness
Date: 2022-11-16 08:33 pm (UTC)I would agree with that, and to the extent that we aren't tracking vax status on death certificates we won't be able to know (although anyone could put together a longitudinal cohort study at any time, so maybe we will get better data once more scientists are willing to abandon The Narrative).
Looking at The Ethical Skeptic's graphs of cardiac deaths over time, it is apparent that there is a pre-vax covid effect in 2020 but that there is a further uptick (most likely vax related) in 2021. Furthermore since mid 2021 high-vax countries (excepting zero-covid-insanity China) have had much more covid than low-vax countries, suggesting the likelihood of an indirect effect (damage from virus, but virus more prevalent due to vax) as well.
Re: Long term sickness
Date: 2022-11-17 11:06 pm (UTC)Within countries I too see indications that excess mortality got a bump in tandem with the rollout of the vaxxines. I would normally consider that an indication for causation, but when I compare countries I get a very different picture that I can't explane.
For example: In the EU Portugal is the highest vaxxed country and Bulgaria is the lowest vaxxed. Yet the cumulative excess mortality of Bulgaria is much higher than Portugal. The fact that Bulgaria is poorer than Portugal (lesser healthcare system) is possibly not an explanation because in Februari 2021, when the vaxx rollout started, both countries had the same cumulative excess mortality. So since the vaxxination highly vaxxed Portugal did significantly better than low vaxxed Bulgaria.
(See https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01..latest&facet=none&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Excess+mortality+%28%25%29&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Color+by+test+positivity=false&country=BGR~PRT)
In the Caribian a comparison of Haity (virtually no vax), Dominican Republic (medium), Puerto Rico (high vax??) and USA (high vax) show that Dominican Republic did better than Puerto Rico, Puerto Rico did better than Haiti, and Haiti did much better than the US. This yields a confusing picture with no clear pattern. Something happened with the start of the vaxx rollout but it could be that it had more impact on the relatively unvaxxed nations although the relatively high vaxxed nations also have persistent excess mortality since that moment. What exactly is going on is a mystery to me.
Re: Long term sickness
Date: 2022-11-17 05:52 pm (UTC)In other news, one early quaxxer, another 70-ish woman, got mowed down in 2021 after getting the quaxx early. Around the same time, two of my neighbors, both 70-something men, died of quax complications. The early quaxxer's daughter had a debilitating stroke at age 35. She survived, but one year later, she is still re-learning how to speak and battling paralysis. I know of many, many other people suffering side effects of the quax, many of them children or young adults. Who even knows what the future holds for them? Persistent tinnitus? Constant severe flus? An early demise? Infertility? It's pretty horrible.
Re: Long term sickness
Date: 2022-11-17 11:14 pm (UTC)Re: Long term sickness
Date: 2022-11-18 10:38 am (UTC)My mother is 79 years old.. double-jabbed before I knew enough and had enough material to convince her to stop. Well, both she and my MIL (a few years younger) started to lose their teeth soon after. There wasn't much I could do about it as it happened fast.
But since then, she's had various assortment of ailments etc.. flu which doesn't seem like full-on flu, but serious aches everywhere - which the pony paste was effective in treating too.
She was someone always in good health and able to walk around very fast.. started to feel exhausted after a small neighbourhood marketing trip. Remedy? Moderate dose of natto/serra every 2 days, and after a couple months, she was back to walking a 5km round trip for marketing and still energetic for the rest of the day.
Her latest is abdominal pain around the appendix and based on my read-up, it's unlikely to be just appendicitis for someone of her age (that mostly strikes the 10-30 age group).. so I'm doing much more aggressive treatment (with minimal side effects). Basically what I'm trying to convey is that it's one thing after another.. but we're still ploughing through. My mother doesn't even question whatever I'm giving her now... as *touch wood* the various protocols I've given her have worked so far...
That's providing good data for me to share with my own freedom group.. and it's up to them whether they want to follow some of the suggested protocols or not.
So yes, I will tell people flatout that I think it's that needlecraft affecting them.. and that I've been able to help others. If they ask, I give more details. Right now, most just still seem to be in a daze ... I look upon it as them still dealing with the stages of grief and mainly still in denial.
Re: Long term sickness
Date: 2022-11-18 05:33 pm (UTC)Re: Long term sickness
Date: 2022-11-19 01:17 am (UTC)The more typical response though? I spent hours at a friend's mechanic shop, brought my laptop with all the saved links and articles from officially-approved sources, and started to link up all the data together, painting that rather grim picture. Friend was nodding along, providing his own anecdotes to back up what the data was already showing less than a year since the jab introduction... so you'd think I'd succeeded, right? Nope, the second the govt sends him a text message to take his booster (months early), he went. So the negative way of looking is to focus on the hours and hours spent with him as totally wasted, be discouraged and start detaching from everyone. But in the bigger picture, it was a test of our own humanity in how we value friendships, what we are prepared to put forth despite apparent futility and giving it more than the old college try. Sure, past a certain point, you stop knocking your head against the concrete wall... there's gotta be a sense of self-preservation too.
Then we come to that 'oppressive' presence which seemed to be driving the whole thing from the start.. that began lifting in March. Official research showing negative effects from the jabs were no longer 100% censored from the medical journals. That was a serious break in the dam. Every passing month saw more of the coordinated global efforts started to fall apart. We've previously noted that the senile elites everywhere were quite incompetent, yet they could follow the script handed to them and just execute and coordinate all the social controls and full-spectrum media control to an extent that calling it blatant is an understatement. Without the 'force', they started to flounder, and then doubled down on increasingly ineffectual policies which cost them even more credibility and generated more questioning even among previously docile populace.
In that context, I see the latest G20 push for waxxine passport... and digital currencies, as a last ditch doubling down effort - yet again, even as the energy crunch is starting to dismantle their industrial and tech base, food prices starting to spiral out of control even in nominally food-surplus countries... That's why I'm a lot more sanguine about where things are headed... yes, the elites want their dystopian reset now, but look how quickly their latest false flag op - "Russian missile hitting Poland" collapsed within 12 hours and they had to start walking back all their MSM headlines etc. Too many signs of desperate flailing going on right now.....
While the US congress exempted themselves from the vex mandates... I'm pretty sure the other west-aligned elites around the world were really stupid enough to have engaged in the needlework. Maybe 30-40% of the initial batches contained just crap which the body can shrug off after a short time, but anyone taking any of the boosters now is quite certain to be getting the full dose of lipid nanoparticles and spike cocktail. In other words, while I am not celebrating death per se, the current elites are effectively taking themselves out of the 'game', allowing us a chance to reshape the future, perhaps even without having to engage in revolution which was required in the past to overturn an exisiting power structure. Hence my other focus is to keep talking about parallel societies to whomever when the chance arises... encouraging folks to network in more meaningful ways... just gotta be ready if and when the opportunity arises. Pre-covid, our host's catabolic collapse model made a lot of sense. Post-jab? I think we're getting a much bigger drop in 1 go, with a lot more disruption, but the added bonus of the previously entrench elites taking themselves out of the game earlier, thus affording us the chance that we can pull more meaningful stuff back. Yes, I'm actually a lot more optimistic right now... based on the framework of my understanding of why the elites are doing what they're doing.
Re: Long term sickness
Date: 2022-11-17 06:04 am (UTC)I came out in the mid-1970's (pre-AIDS or at least before AIDS manifested) so I got a ringside seat for the whole sad show. I first heard about a strange pneumonia that only seemed to target Gay men when I went to New York to visit a friend in early 1981. I found it unlikely but alarming. However, I do remember in the lead up to the announcement of AIDS (around 1983-84) that many neighbours and friends seemed to be suffering from colds they could not fight off or from a general malaise for which there was no apparent reason. Even after HIV was officially identified (1984) people were still functioning but there seemed to be a lot of recurrent, albeit mostly minor, illness amongst a lot of Gay men. Of course, we all realized later that HIV "seemed" to be, for the most part, a slower-moving illness that only gradually wore down the immune system. Only the men who contracted the pneumonia seemed to die quickly.
That's why it was still a shock when, by the mid-late 1980's, people who had been seemingly OK suddenly began to die in droves and of all different kinds of problems related to a malfunctioning immune system that was finally on its last legs.
I wonder if the vaxx works the same way - a slow-moving destruction of the immune system and the organs as the spike proteins and crystalline formations and whatever else is in that toxic brew begin to do their thing. If that is the case, might we then expect that this is the beginning of a period of increasing deaths? Given that it's coming up to two years since the vaxx was introduced, it would be around the same timeline as AIDS.
I could be way off base but, as I said, I see a lot of parallels. Even the introduction of Paxlovid raised my suspicions. It looked to me like an attempt (I believe unsuccessful at this point) to create a "cocktail" to bolster the immune system but, again, I could be wrong.
Just my two cents.
Liam in Toronto
Re: Long term sickness
Date: 2022-11-17 04:13 pm (UTC)Re: Long term sickness
Date: 2022-11-17 11:21 pm (UTC)Re: Long term sickness
Date: 2022-11-17 11:30 pm (UTC)RFK Jr refers to it in his Fauci book. The remarkable thing about RFK's book is how it excoriates so many public figures, yet it remains unchallenged.
Excerpts from Chapter 4: THE PANDEMIC TEMPLATE: AIDS AND AZT
“Doctors need three qualifications: to be able to lie and not get caught, to pretend to be honest, and to cause death without remorse.” —Jean Froissart 1337–1405
The AZT approval process was a shakedown cruise for Tony Fauci. As he ran AZT around the regulatory traps, Dr. Fauci pioneered and perfected the retinue of corrupt, deceitful, and bullying practices and strategies that he would replicate again and again over the next thirty-three years, to transform NIAID into a drug development dynamo.
When Dr. Fauci entered the principal investigator (PI) drug-testing universe, only one pharmaceutical company, Burroughs Wellcome (predecessor to GlaxoSmithKline), had a drug candidate teed up to test as an AIDS remedy—a toxic concoction, azidothymidine, known popularly as “AZT.
AZT proved to be an irresistible opportunity for Fauci. After all, Burroughs Wellcome not only had a head start in the AIDS drug program, the company also had its own army of veteran “principal investigators” (PIs) with plenty of expertise at running the complex regulatory hurdles—which Dr. Fauci had not yet mastered.
Dr. Fauci needed a visible success to jump-start his program and anoint his new regime with the patina of competence. Nussbaum described how the British pharmaceutical company manipulated its leverage over Dr. Fauci to gain monopoly control over the government’s HIV response:
"Wellcome’s PIs came to dominate NIAID’s clinical trial system. They formed a web linking Wellcome, the drug AZT, and the NIH. They came to sit on the institute’s key drug selection committee, and they voted on whether to give high or low priority to the testing of each anti-AIDS drug, including those that might possibly compete with AZT in the marketplace. The PIs were a power unto themselves. They were, in fact, out of control.”
Dr. Fauci would later mimic this successful model to populate key drug and vaccine approval committees in FDA, CDC, and at the Institute of Medicine (IOM) with his Pharma PIs, giving him, and his Pharma partners, complete, vertically integrated control over the drug approval process from molecule to market.
. . . And so here we are with COVID and the mRNA jabs.
Re: Long term sickness
Date: 2022-11-18 12:58 pm (UTC)Thanks for this. I would lso recommend the RFK Jr book, THE REAL ANTHONY FAUCI, which covers the AIDs / HIV time. There are important connections.
Cetiosaurus
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Date: 2022-11-15 10:00 pm (UTC)Here Come "Programmable Dollars": New York Fed And 12 Banking Giants Launch Digital Dollar Test
Date: 2022-11-15 11:06 pm (UTC)https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/here-come-programmable-dollars-new-york-fed-and-12-banking-giants-launch-digital-dollar
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These guys are nothing if not methodical and consistent.
I’ve been dreading this
Date: 2022-11-16 05:04 am (UTC)I think that if this unfolds as planned it will be every bit as bad as Naomi Wolf says: the end of liberty. I hope it flops bigly.
I gather that is possible. It seems they tried such a currency in Nigeria, and the people have stayed from it away in droves. Smart Nigerians! We need to follow their fine example.
Re: Here Come "Programmable Dollars": New York Fed And 12 Banking Giants Launch Digital Dollar Test
Date: 2022-11-16 09:59 am (UTC)I could see it being used to created a two tiered society like with vax mandates. The Good People use digital currency in their places and no admittance unless you have the approved currency on your phone verified with biometrics. Real sci fi dystopia level stuff again.
Re: Here Come "Programmable Dollars": New York Fed And 12 Banking Giants Launch Digital Dollar Test
Date: 2022-11-16 08:53 pm (UTC)Narratives . . .
Re: Here Come "Programmable Dollars": New York Fed And 12 Banking Giants Launch Digital Dollar Test
Date: 2022-11-16 02:44 pm (UTC)Or, that you can "program", leprechaun-like, to disappear into the ether, when the sun comes up (or, they say something you think they shouldn't have...)
Very, very freedom loving! [not]
Re: Here Come "Programmable Dollars": New York Fed And 12 Banking Giants Launch Digital Dollar Test
Date: 2022-11-16 07:34 pm (UTC)Like that sort of control? sheesh.
Like becoming a child under a terrible parent.
Re: Here Come "Programmable Dollars": New York Fed And 12 Banking Giants Launch Digital Dollar Test
Date: 2022-11-17 06:30 am (UTC)I attended a meeting in the spring of 2017 given by a rep from a government agency (I think from the Office of the Superintendent of Financial Institutions). During the meeting, this individual mentioned that digital currency was coming to Canada in the next decade and that the planning was already far along. He made a point of noting that this would make things ever so much better and convenient (sounds like "safe and effective", n'est-ce pas?) for us all and it would eliminate the need for most of these tiresome courses (Marketing 101 - sell the sizzle not the steak!).
I remember being shocked by this news as it was very clearly a potential control mechanism. After the meeting, a couple of my co-workers noted the same concern. But we all agreed that unless there was a very public outcry, it would come to pass. As you noted, these people are relentless. Of course, at that time, I was blissfully unaware of the influence of the WEF and its agencies over our bureaucracy.
That's why I'm involved in a study group here in Toronto looking at alternative societies/economies.
Liam in Toronto
Re: Here Come "Programmable Dollars": New York Fed And 12 Banking Giants Launch Digital Dollar Test
Date: 2022-11-17 01:56 pm (UTC)Your comment prompt me to offer a few thoughts in this direction:
To state the obvious, most people prefer to use credit cards & debit cards rather than cash. They also believe this is "the modern way," and that anything on paper in so "Grandpa." This is what I observe.
Like most people I know, I make most of my purchases and bill payment by credit card or bank transfer. But I now realize, especially since the covid vaxx passports rolled out, taking cash for granted is dangerous.
Increasingly I try to use cash when I can, especially when buying from small family-owned businesses and freelancers-- and please note **this saves them the commission for the credit card service which is an important expense for a small scale business.** Some don't care, in fact they are so "modern" their young clerks seem miffed that I don't want to use contactless payment, but rather what they probably think of as these old-fashioned germy "Grandpa" paper things. More commonly, however, they thank me for paying with cash-- they seem very pleasantly surprised. And when I can pay exactly, no need for change, they thank me more! My neighborhood hardware store owner said, beaming, when I paid a large bill in cash, "cash is king!!"
What does this have to do with this covid forum? Well, many of the healthcare providers I expect to be going to-- acupuncturist, massage therapist, dentist-- are small individual-owned businesses. And I won't be dealing with insurance since I don't have any. Paperwork will be minimal-- and I like it that way. In sum, my guess is, the health care I'm going to get is going to prefer to take cash, (although credit cards will still reign).
But here's something about cash that I have not seen discussed. To keep cash circulating in an economy requires that the monetary authority can manufacture (or import), properly secure, amply distribute to regional banks, and ultimately recycle the cash. It's quite an operation, it requires manufacturing resources, storage capacity, fleets of armored vehicles, sometimes also airplanes, and staff. It doesn't happen by magic.
And in many countries, where the monetary authority falls short in its abilities to distribute bills and coins to local banks, one problem many merchants have is a shortage of coins or small bills to make change. So on occasion they have to deny a sale to a willing customer, or give the costumer change in candy, or some such thing, which of course the customer doesn't like.
Therefore, for cash to continue to be used, there needs to be both a strong demand for it, and political support for providing it in an adequate manner.
PS To those who claim electronic payments are environmentally friendlier, I reply: Have you ever seen a server farm?
Re: Here Come "Programmable Dollars": New York Fed And 12 Banking Giants Launch Digital Dollar Test
Date: 2022-11-17 04:26 pm (UTC)Murmuration
Re: Here Come "Programmable Dollars": New York Fed And 12 Banking Giants Launch Digital Dollar Test
Date: 2022-11-18 12:23 am (UTC)When the subway/bus/streetcars stopped using tokens you had until a certain date to use whatever you had on hand and then no more using them.
One would have to have a heck of network to be able to barter for everything one needed. I don't know what to make of this (in terms of being 'a victor').
Re: Here Come "Programmable Dollars": New York Fed And 12 Banking Giants Launch Digital Dollar Test
Date: 2022-11-18 04:32 am (UTC)And given what we saw during this whole COVID fiasco, you know "the people" will just fold and go along with it and tell themselves "it's safe and effective".
Liam in Toronto
Re: Here Come "Programmable Dollars": New York Fed And 12 Banking Giants Launch Digital Dollar Test
Date: 2022-11-19 04:29 am (UTC)Metal coins have a value within the outsider system, but they could also be sold within the insider system for their metal value.
That still wouldn't get you around the issue of having taxes and council rates and so on to pay - it would be hard or impossible to pay those in anything other than the currency of 'the man'. And if they're not paid, well, there's goes your home etc.
So how about establishing an entity that does all of the trading for you instead?
Some kind of trust, or company maybe? The entity earns all the money (your income), pays the taxes (your taxes), etc - you are merely it's trustee, or director or whatever that gets paid in calories, energy, water, clothes, shelter, etc in lieu of cash.
They can vaccinate this non-biological entity until their hearts are content, and it can make all the transactions necessary on your behalf, so you can survive.
The Ninth Mouse
Re: Here Come "Programmable Dollars": New York Fed And 12 Banking Giants Launch Digital Dollar Test
Date: 2022-11-19 06:53 pm (UTC)Liberty, LLC
Murmuration
Re: Here Come "Programmable Dollars": New York Fed And 12 Banking Giants Launch Digital Dollar Test
Date: 2022-11-20 06:45 am (UTC)The Ninth Mouse
Re: Here Come "Programmable Dollars": New York Fed And 12 Banking Giants Launch Digital Dollar Test
Date: 2022-11-18 02:19 pm (UTC)In any case, I've copied and pasted the bit about how people in Ireland coped with no banks for six months, below.
Quote:
Irish banking strike
In 1970 all banks in Ireland closed during a strike lasting six and a half months, which at the time was predicted to have a similar catastrophic forecast to that which occurred in Greece.
This strike began on the May 1 and lasted until Nov. 17, 1970.
The facts are contrary to what was expected and it had very little impact on the Irish people. Instead of panicking, the people of Ireland used their survival instinct and very rapidly discovered other ways for carrying out the functions previously performed by the banking industry.
Economist Michael Fogarty, who wrote the official report on the bank dispute, was quoted by the Irish Independent as saying that: “the services of the clearing banks proved by no means as indispensable as would have been expected before the dispute.”
Others take the example of the Irish bank strike as evidence that much of what banks do is a “socially useless activity.”
Undated cheques often endorsed over to others but never cashed, became a form of currency. When the supply of cheques dried up people wrote new ones on any available piece of paper, sometimes adding a postage stamp to give it an official appearance. There were even stories of cheques being written on toilet paper and beer mats.
Ireland had a population of 3 mln at the time and their 11,000 pubs and 12,000 shops became the substitutes for the banks.
The system worked because it was based on local knowledge and trust. Those who were exchanging checks and IOUs knew each other well.
Antoin E Murphy, who carried out a study on the strike’s effect, found the public’s ability to assess risk “was based on a vast pool of information available to transactors on the credit-worthiness of other transactors.”
The accuracy of their judgment was demonstrated when the strike ended with most pieces of paper turning out to be worth the value that was written on them. There were few insolvencies, and overall, imports, which were expected to be badly hit, were largely unaffected.
End quote
Re: Here Come "Programmable Dollars": New York Fed And 12 Banking Giants Launch Digital Dollar Test
Date: 2022-11-18 04:56 pm (UTC)Re: Here Come "Programmable Dollars": New York Fed And 12 Banking Giants Launch Digital Dollar Test
Date: 2022-11-18 08:31 pm (UTC)I'd like to point out though, that this doesn't preclude them being used for interpersonal (rather than "legal") transactions. Kunstler's "World Made by Hand" series has the characters utilizing the remaining pieces of coinage as a currency when it's obvious that there's no gov't minting more. It becomes a kind of agreed-upon unit of value (as money is), but with only social backing rather than that of the gov't.
Re: Here Come "Programmable Dollars": New York Fed And 12 Banking Giants Launch Digital Dollar Test
Date: 2022-11-18 02:43 am (UTC)There are some other local currencies besides Berkshares, but one set up a few years back here in my (liberal, Covid-hook-line-and-sinker) locale, is only on a magnetic or chipped card.
Not helpful to have a parallel currency only for True Believers!
I think gold & silver (if obtained relatively under the table) may remain useful. If I were to use crypto, it would be Monero stored on a physical wallet, not a middleman exchange, because it offers truly strong anonymity. (But I haven't gotten into crypto precisely because it's so fragile and subject to black swan disasters.)
Chances are good a gold or silver coin will never be worth zero. Local currency is destined to become the 21st century's S&H Green Stamps.
Re: Here Come "Programmable Dollars": New York Fed And 12 Banking Giants Launch Digital Dollar Test
Date: 2022-11-18 05:47 am (UTC)I've been concentrating on skilling up to be able to provide services ordinary people value and trusting that the mechanism of payment will more or less take care of itself, although that is a calculated risk.
Did everyone read up about what happened in Ireland during the bank strikes https://bankunderground.co.uk/2016/01/20/the-cheque-republic-money-in-a-modern-economy-with-no-banks/
Executive summary: Ordinary people kept their local economies functioning through a trust system backed with handwritten cheques.
Re: Here Come "Programmable Dollars": New York Fed And 12 Banking Giants Launch Digital Dollar Test
Date: 2022-11-18 05:47 pm (UTC)Re: Here Come "Programmable Dollars": New York Fed And 12 Banking Giants Launch Digital Dollar Test
Date: 2022-11-17 07:45 pm (UTC)...and staff.
A good friend of mine, who has quite different views on the fox (it's amazing how *sometimes* different views do not have to wreck a friendship - there's a whole knack to that, but that's a nuther story!), told me the other day why he uses cash at every opportunity.
He said, "well, if I pay in cash *someone* has to count it, *someone* has to store it, *someone* has to lodge it to the bank, and *someone* has to count it again, and transport it, and etc, and that means all those *someone's* stay employed in their jobs. Whereas, if I use a card to pay, the message travels through the pixels, but it does not necessarily keep anyone in a job."
And I thought, well, fair play to you! Well, said!
Musk wants free speech?
Date: 2022-11-15 11:59 pm (UTC)An important function of Twitter is to draw the line between "acceptable, mainstream" and "unacceptable, fringe" ideas. The ideological inbreeding inside the organization has pushed it to the point where "mainstream" thought is defined according to a strict orthodoxy held by PMCs living in US coastal cities. This is a tiny sliver of the population but their ironclad narrative control makes it appear they they're the majority - and no one is convinced of this more than they are.
Narrowing the "mainstream" so much has caused huge numbers of people to fall outside the mainstream and become amenable to "fringe" ideas. The Twitterati don't care about this, because they simply ban anyone with unacceptable opinions and then that person doesn't exist any more as far as they're concerned. If those nasty wrongthinkers can't reply to their tweets they don't matter. Unfortunately for them, those banned people still exist in the physical world where they can do things much more impactful than replying to tweets.
It's possible that Musk sees where this is going and wants to head it off. The elite opinion-makers are suffering from "epistemic closure," where they exist in such a completely sealed echo chamber that they've lost the ability to understand how people outside the bubble think. If this cycle of inbred thinking continues, there's a risk that the entire intellectual foundation of the neoliberal globalist order will collapse, as they'll be unable to influence the majority of the population.
The core ideas behind this order have always been distasteful to most people, but in the past its enforcers have had to engage with contrary views and develop ways of dealing with them - diverting their attention, making false promises, confusing the issues, etc. The advent of the Internet has dulled their rhetorical abilities, allowing them to toss out their argumentative toolkit in favor of the "Ban User" button. If Musk takes this tool away it may force them to start refining their arguments again, which will help the agenda of the blue checks even as they wail and gnash their teeth.
Re: Musk wants free speech?
Date: 2022-11-16 05:06 am (UTC)Re: Musk wants free speech?
Date: 2022-11-16 11:58 am (UTC)They're already there, dude. Or, I'm beginning to see that they're just aware they've lost half a ship but they have no idea how to get it back.
>It's possible that Musk sees where this is going and wants to head it off.
What I've observed of the guy, he doesn't think that far ahead. Some bloggers have theorized that his takeover of Twitter is really about his ability to move markets in directions favorable to him with the right tweet at the right time. Witness the stock market retardedness with "LockheedMartini" for instance. The right tweet at the wrong time can make all the diff-er-ence in the world. Says something about the world we live in. Something stupid.
In any case, the SEC was trying to get him to stop tweeting and it is now much harder for them to do so. He owns Twitter, after all.
Re: Musk wants free speech?
Date: 2022-11-17 11:05 am (UTC)Martin F
Re: Musk wants free speech?
Date: 2022-11-17 08:27 pm (UTC)Re: Musk wants free speech?
Date: 2022-11-16 04:43 pm (UTC)Yesterday he fired several employees who either complained in the company Slack channel or on Twitter about how he is managing the company. The employees who likely make around 300K a year went on Twitter to further complain about how horrible he is. How dare he not listen to me!!!!!! I'm a (insert privileged group here) and he's a terrible person. Waaaaahhhh!
I don't know of any employer who would keep employees who publicly complain the company and state that they are trying undermine their boss. These folks are so used to publicly shaming people to get what they want and now it isn't working. And now they have poisoned themselves, because who is going to want to hire an employee who backstabs?
Whatever happens with free speech, etc, the fact that these people got spanked was fun to watch.
Re: Musk wants free speech?
Date: 2022-11-16 04:47 pm (UTC)They certainly ought to tell him en masse to shove it, and then Twitter will collapse. I've never liked Twitter anyway, and think that Musk has far far too much money, so seeing the former and a bit of the latter go away will give me considerable Schadenfreude.
-Translucent Jejune Octopus
Re: Musk wants free speech?
Date: 2022-11-16 08:51 pm (UTC)The layoffs can either magnify or mitigate that initial loss. Usually management has no idea who does what and by how much, and highly politicized management tends to drop kick all the productive people out the door first, leaving the ones who can talk and not do much else. Sometimes management lucks out and they fire enough bad people to turn things around. But it's usually sheer luck if that happens.
And you can tell the employees left don't like their new boss that much. That botched rollout of $8/mo - that's what you get when your underlings don't like you and are doing the bare minimum to avoid getting fired. They all start drinking LockheedMartinis. Something tells me that the relationship between him and his underlings is probably going downhill from here.
Shrug. It's a dumpster fire. Probably will be entertaining for a few years one way or another.
Re: Musk wants free speech?
Date: 2022-11-17 04:52 am (UTC)As a character, Musk fascinates me, so I pay close attention. He has two personas. Most people only pick up on his impulsive, goofy, public facing persona. His other persona, which you only see if you are into technical discussions on starship and battery tear-downs and AI turning discrete points in space into smooth vectors, is highly analytical, zero bullsh!t, first principles, laser focused, organizational genius. I know of no other human alive whose will is so singularly gargantuan. I don't necessarily like his technocratic fantasies, and I'm truly split on whether he is to be trusted, but in terms of getting stuff done, you can't argue with the technical and organizational miracles behind two rockets landing simultaneously(!), while no other organization on earth is even close to re-usability. Ten years ago it was the wildest of sci-fi fantasies to think of rockets landing. The fact that this process is mundanely routine now absolutely boggles my mind.
As someone mentioned above, his first kid died of SIDS. This seemed to happen around the same time he was pondering the implications of peak oil, and what might be done about it. (His answer? Revolutionizing batteries). I suspect it was a very dark time for him. I think that experience probably had a more profound impact that most people realize. He seemed to throw himself maniacally into work following that. I think he may have looked into the darkness, and ran headlong in the other direction, as a means of distracting himself from the horrors of life.
Anyway, based on track record, I expect in two years time, Twitter will be a resounding success. Based on mainstream metrics of course. As a life-sucking addictive dopamine machine, it will be as terrible as it ever was. It does also seem strange to me that the liberty and privacy minded people who are rooting for his vision of twitter don't seem to notice that he intends for it to be a digital ID, more or less, for a person's true identity. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Murmuration
Re: Musk wants free speech?
Date: 2022-11-21 04:52 am (UTC)https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1594552252865384450?s=20&t=cxGOSQ3aB8x6z9zaHi1zmw
Musk just tweeted about his firstborn. I don’t know that I’ve ever heard him bring it up before.
Murmuration
Re: Musk wants free speech?
Date: 2022-11-17 12:43 am (UTC)But back when Apple was producing actual cutting edge products, Steve Jobs was famous for being a ball-buster who would often just scream at people for no reason. He also demanded people work long hours to get products complete. The employees who were there at the time were asked why they stuck around for what looked like bad working conditions. They all said that they did so because they believe in Jobs' vision and felt like the work they were doing was meaningful. If Musk can create the same conditions, he will find people to work even if it is long hours.
Re: Musk wants free speech?
Date: 2022-11-17 02:32 am (UTC)Re: Musk wants free speech?
Date: 2022-11-17 05:32 am (UTC)When he used (or leveraged?) all his original fortune for his dream of making a reusable orbital rocket as his team launched the final rocket he could afford from Kwajalein Atoll, he is on record saying all his liquidity was lost if that final attempt to get to orbit failed. It made it to orbit. He likes to risk big for big rewards. A bit of an adrenaline junkie. A bit autistic. I also watched live the NASA launch with the first live astronauts on board one of his rockets. He was sweating bullets worried about their lives. He likes having great wads of cash to be able to do things he finds fun and important. Thus, I don't think he plans to blow up Twitter just to see it burn to the ground.
That said, I find his Starlink orbital constellation disturbing. How independent is he really from government control or control of by international tel-com corporate monopolies? At core, I think he got in financial bed with them all long ago.
Re: Musk wants free speech?
Date: 2022-11-17 04:55 pm (UTC)He has been an underdog in so many of his endeavors for so long. And he faced competitors of epic proportions, who had bribed countless government agencies for decades. He can carry immense pain and move forward anyway.
Now, obviously, he is the competitor of epic proportion. And he gets tagged as a conman frequently. I think I've seen enough on the man that I am able to believe he really wants the best for humanity. And lord he swings big for that. I'm just not convinced that his ideas of what is best really are what is best. I don't get the sense he's very in tune with nature and the woo. He may be driving 90 towards a goal that shoots us right over the edge of a cliff, Thelma and Louise style.
Murmuration
Re: Musk wants free speech?
Date: 2022-11-17 11:52 pm (UTC)Naming his last (known) child after a prototype of Lockheed's SR-71 which still holds the speed record for air-breathing aircraft, just shows to me his total fixation with advancing technology and perhaps a hint he cares a lot about the Earth's atmosphere.
Re: Musk wants free speech?
Date: 2022-11-18 02:28 pm (UTC)Too many, actually. Rumors are whole engineering departments that are involved with keeping the lights on are going to leave. He done goofed. I'm not really sympathetic to any of these people, not the fanatics involved with Twitter and not their new Glorious Overlord either. But it does warm the cockles of my heart to see management of any sort have to backpedal after making some rather intimidating threats and fist shaking. Brings a smile to my face, it does.
"As The Dumpster Fire Burns", sounds like the title of a book about Twitter 10 years from now...
Another vote for demonic hypothesis
Date: 2022-11-16 01:04 am (UTC)https://stonetoss.com/
Re: Another vote for demonic hypothesis
Date: 2022-11-16 04:44 am (UTC)And it seems to be more common now. I've seen increasingly odd behavior on the internet, mostly from random processes and AI generated content.
Neither passivity nor unrest
Date: 2022-11-16 07:14 am (UTC)"This reminds me of the saying "If you make a peaceful revolution impossible, you will make a violent revolution inevitable""
I think this is important stuff to consider. As well as the energy contraction predicament all over the world we have the CCP as actors in the global who really really want to show their powder keg tyrannised population that anglosphere institutions are hopeless and corrupt and they have historically been very happy to throw their money into that task. So it's a great time for ordinary people to engage in the everyday work of democracy. Can you form or join your local democratic organisations, listen to the concerns of your neighbours, see if you can formulate policies that other people think are a good idea too, argue your points to an increasing circle of your neighbours and ultimately win elections? If a critical mass emerges in your locality it might make a big difference -- ultimately there are local decisions about how to run elections and count ballots and so on, lots of good practices all over the world where people care about listening to each other and working together to find better ways forward.
And JMG's thing about serving beer when the four horsemen arrive is a keeper. I'm not a drinker so not much interest in brewing but lately I've been spending some of my spare time raiding old fashioned cookbooks and learning how to make (the english style of) biscuits, the ones people have with a cuppa. Pretty cheap and easy, nearly everyone likes a home made biscuit and it helps make the house cosy if you can afford to run your oven. It's part of the picture of 'be the ones filling the shelves'. If we are the ones providing essential and valuable goods and services to people, we are well worth keeping around. As the global supply chains buckle and fail in the ongoing energy crunch of the decades, gaps are constantly emerging which mentally prepared people can move into by providing a good basic product from local or available materials. Workers co-operatives and similar enterprises really can change reality locally. The healthcare scene could feasibly be seen as the big emerging one of these.
Ultimately no-one wants a tyranny, and bloodthirsty uprisings are even worse in most people's minds. I think people mostly just want to be able to live and work. I think it's a great time to practice that second job of citizenship wherever we find ourselves, at whatever level is appropriate to our ability.
Also did people see this news from https://live2fightanotherday.substack.com/p/swissmedic-and-vaccinating-doctors
" That's what it's all about: On July 14, 2022, a lawyer submitted a 300-page criminal complaint to the responsible cantonal public prosecutor's office on behalf of six people allegedly injured by mRNA vaccinations. It is directed against three representatives of the Swiss licensing and supervisory authority for medicinal products and medical devices (Swissmedic) and five vaccinating doctors from the Inselspital in Bern. A criminal investigation is to be opened against them. The lawyer has now gone public with a media conference.
These are the plaintiffs: The lawyer for those affected, Philipp Kruse, is a declared opponent of vaccination and Covid measures. He represented people who refused to wear masks or parents who didn't want their children to take part in pool tests. Doctors who were noticed as corona skeptics also appeared at the media conference.
This is what the indictment says: The defendants are accused of violating basic drug law due diligence by allowing and administering the Covid 19 vaccination. There are a number of other charges listed, including intentional or possibly negligent bodily harm, endangering life, killing and abortion.
These are the alleged damages: According to lawyer Kruse, the damages range from circular hair loss, derailment of the menstrual cycle to polyarthritis, muscle weakness and chronic exhaustion to the death of a 20-year-old person. Some of the six victims listed are still unable to work. The connection to the Covid 19 vaccination was confirmed by experts in five cases. In the case of the deceased, the causal connection must be proven on the basis of pathological examinations. However, these investigations are not yet complete.
That's what Swissmedic says: Nothing. Swissmedic does not want to comment on the ongoing court proceedings. The Federal Office of Public Health and the Federal Vaccination Commission also do not want to comment.
What may fly under the radar in other countries, in terms of the lack of accountability and responsibility for Covid-19 jabbing injuries, is unlikely to pass muster in Switzerland. The Swiss proud themselves on being OBJECTIVE, diligent, thorough and just. Because of these very high public expectations, it is impossible to sweep under the carpet, gaslight, or outright ignore the laws on the books over there, let’s hope:
It is about these articles of the Medicines Act
Art. 3 Duty of care 1 Anyone who handles medicinal products must take all the necessary measures based on the current state of science and technology to ensure that the health of humans and animals is not endangered.
Chapter 8: Penal Provisions Art. 86233 Crimes and misdemeanors 1 Anyone who willfully: a. manufactures, places on the market, uses, prescribes medicinal products without the necessary authorization or authorization, contrary to the terms and conditions associated with an authorization or authorization or contrary to the due diligence obligations stipulated in Articles 3, 7, 21, 22, 26, 29 and 42, imports, exports or trades abroad; (...).
Link to the Medicines Act .
Also of note here is that Swissmedic is the key conduit of the global vaccination programmes in partnership with Bill&Melinda Gates Foundation and WHO, and also FDA.
Good luck in court!"
Re: Neither passivity nor unrest
Date: 2022-11-16 05:29 pm (UTC)I think things are about to get very very interesting.
Re: Neither passivity nor unrest
Date: 2022-11-16 08:45 pm (UTC)Remember the narratives are multi-pronged and believing "the medical system has your best interests at heart and vaccines are wonderful" narrative is what got us into the COVID mess.
Burning Man - snuffed?
Date: 2022-11-16 08:49 am (UTC)https://journal.burningman.org/2022/09/black-rock-city/tales-from-the-playa/no-one-said-it-was-going-to-be-easy/
https://buckdown.medium.com (direct link omitted for profanity, click the "What the f* just happened at Burning Man" story)
The second one is the most interesting; he mentions how the event was dragged down not only by the unusually harsh natural conditions but by a cold, Darwinian mentality kicked into overdrive by the pandemic. Interestingly, he mentions how the length of time someone has been going to Burning Man seems to correlate to how badly they reacted to the events of 2022. Newcomers didn't find it that bad.
I know a guy for whom BMan is basically a surrogate religion. He used to post screeds against Trump all over social media. Last I heard from friends of his he'd been hospitalized and they don't know when he'll back to 100%. He had a stroke, apparently, and hit his head. And the beat goes on.
The author of the first story also had a stroke. And both of the above authors, despite their asserted status as rebels questioning mainstream culture, never ask whether the Covid mania was indeed a good idea. The same thing Kimberly predicted for churches that succumbed to the panic is now befalling the burners. This might be more of a Magic Monday type of question, but do JMG or others think anything could be done to salvage their community?
I haven't been to Burning Man but I was considering it in the past after coming into the orbit of more and more burners. Almost all that I know of succumbed to the virus panic so now I'd say it's off the bucket list. An intentional community of creative free radicals seeking to live by their own values and forge authentic spiritual connections - and they're all vaxxed to the max.
The funny thing is that the second article mentions how burners were anguished over the increasing population of rich tech bros at Burning Man, fearing it would corrupt the event. It was certainly having an impact, but then in 2020 the burner culture was gutted from inside and anyone who tried to stop it was accused of "killing Grandma" and ostracized.
Re: Burning Man - snuffed?
Date: 2022-11-16 05:03 pm (UTC)I've always found BM daunting in terms of logistics.
And by now
my 'alternative culture' OVERTLY days are over
but I look at BM with interest.
The tech bros thing + covid-a-rama-mania (sounds 'woke') could bring
down a wooly mammoth.
Re: Burning Man - snuffed?
Date: 2022-11-16 05:33 pm (UTC)Which isn't to say some shell of its ghost might continue.
Re: Burning Man - snuffed?
Date: 2022-11-16 07:39 pm (UTC)A premiere printmaking facility. Fine art-commercial.
I've never worked with them or payed them or collaborated but I always wanted to one day.
So I've been on their mailing list for a few years now.
Their supply chain issues are giving them inferior product and unreliability in terms of being resupplied.
They can't do it any more and they have resources and connections.
It looks to me like a harbinger of cultural infrastructure issues.
Maybe 'harbinger' is an understatement.
Maybe cultural infrastructure 'collapse' is more the word?
Re: Burning Man - snuffed?
Date: 2022-11-17 01:20 am (UTC)Re: Burning Man - snuffed?
Date: 2022-11-17 03:37 am (UTC)Nicely described: 'odd views of dark ceilings...'
Sounds 'novel-ish...'
Or Cinema Vérité....
A Chilean (documentary) filmmaker once unloaded on Michael Moore to me
about the pretences of Cinema Verite he practiced...
I'll check out Alison Morrow for sure!
Re: Burning Man - snuffed?
Date: 2022-11-17 02:02 pm (UTC)Here's her rumble:
https://rumble.com/c/AlisonMorrow
And here's her Nov 2, 2022 interview w Dr. Marilyn Nass:
https://rumble.com/v1rb7e2-ebola-anthrax-and-covid-the-odd-similarities-dr.-meryl-nass.html
Re: Burning Man - snuffed?
Date: 2022-11-17 05:20 am (UTC)Re: Burning Man - snuffed?
Date: 2022-11-16 08:33 pm (UTC)Snort. Snicker. Do you know how much the ticket costed back in the day (I haven't checked recently but I'm almost certain it has only gone up since).
$200
That was just to get into the shindig. Then you got gas money and whatever you spent on art and food and other toys.
And you should've read the fine print of what you could and couldn't do in that place.
I haven't been to Burning Man either. Don't plan on it anytime soon.
Re: Burning Man - snuffed?
Date: 2022-11-16 08:39 pm (UTC)From outside the US, BM always looked like a parody of hippyness to me. People trying so hard to be different, weird and cool.
It was also a great example of gratuitously wasteful consumption (esp. of FFs), whilst trying to project some sort of eco/alternative image.
I’m not much surprised
Date: 2022-11-16 09:10 pm (UTC)The same energy and resources could easily go into, say, constructing real housing for the very poor in those places where shanty towns have lately appeared, such as in Oakland CA, and also into legally defending it.
But that would bring participants into conflict with real estate interests, and this is a big no-no. This would require some serious backbone. That’s why the event is held in the middle of a desert. The whole point of Burning Man is that it *doesn’t* make a difference. Instead of helping to create a parallel culture, it’s basically one big wank.
So No, I’m not astonished to hear this.
It’s a bit dispiriting to realize that most of the allegedly creative people in society lack the gonads and freethinkery to actually be creative, but maybe that’s just the way it is when your civilization is heading down the chutes.
Re: I’m not much surprised
Date: 2022-11-17 12:49 am (UTC)Maybe Malcolm X not so much.
Re: I’m not much surprised
Date: 2022-11-17 05:02 am (UTC)Murmuration
Re: I’m not much surprised
Date: 2022-11-18 12:26 am (UTC)BM. remote Nevada desert dry lake overrun with blowing gypsum dust. Lots of nudity, everything "free" after arrival but for water and ice. Hippy dippy wanna-be blissed-drugged-out commune dwellers and performance artists. All but one person I personally know who used to go regularly for the art or the commune vibes still does.
Davos. One of the highest Swiss Alpine resorts. Very remote but interestingly has outstanding line of sight to radio stations all over northern Europe. Hotels started for TB patients, next to cater to rich Europeans who could afford long summer and winter holidays while sitting out the frequent snowstorms in cozy bars, restaurants and hotel lounges, and for the most privileged at private luxury chalets or hotel suites. First popular winter sports were tobogganing and ice skating, the latter a sport designed mostly for personal display and flirting before it became a movie (Sonia Henie) & TV (Peggy Fleming) sport. Now it's famous for its see-and-be-seen display of wanna-be Big Boys for one week each winter at the WEF of those desperate to be part of the In-Crowd which is mostly only those who think schmoozing there will line their pockets and/or keep them in political power. Those with real power might go once or twice out of curiosity - especially the funded attendees - but never 3x.
Re: I’m not much surprised
Date: 2022-11-18 12:29 am (UTC)'Remarkable that two of the great early playwrights were sons of bricklayers (Jonson & Middleton) and were each imprisoned for their work; equally improbable is anyone of that social background being in the arts today, or any modern poet writing anything worthy of imprisonment.'
Re: Burning Man - snuffed?
Date: 2022-11-18 01:50 am (UTC)Lurking Nocturnal Bovine
Re: Burning Man - snuffed?
Date: 2022-11-18 11:03 pm (UTC)Interesting description. I think I would have felt lonely
I'd ever actually made it there.
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Date: 2022-11-16 11:45 am (UTC)2. Strictly speaking, the vaccinated are dying, everybody dies. They are dying at a much much slower rate.
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Date: 2022-11-17 05:58 pm (UTC)Insurance rates jump
Date: 2022-11-19 10:04 pm (UTC)I've always gotten it in the past because it was only 47 cents a paycheck.
This year on renewal it jumped to $5 a paycheck, indicating a huge jump in payouts and risk (they don't just randomly change the insurance rates).
I passed on the insurance this time around...