Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 65

[ecosophia]

As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselesness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. 

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religious, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.    

Comments

Re: Immunity changes and spike distribution after the vax

[(Anonymous)]

Honest question here, not trying to be argumentative. What leads you to believe the shots were effective early on?

Re: Immunity changes and spike distribution after the vax

[dendroica]

1. The "happy vaccine valley" of very low case counts that many countries saw during the months following (but not during) mass vaccination - see e.g. Israel from March-July 2021.

2. First-hand reports that I trust from healthcare workers during the Delta wave (summer-fall 2021) noting that the majority of their hospitalized patients were unvaccinated despite the majority of people being vaccinated at that time.

Re: Immunity changes and spike distribution after the vax

[(Anonymous)]

Two follow on questions then:

1) do you trust the statistics that were generated during the valley?

2) many people who weren’t double vaxed or boosted, but single, or later double vaxed were considered ‘unvaxinated’ in many places. Does that factor into your model? Meaning, many of the ‘unvaxed’ were in fact vaxed.

Again, asking from a place of genuine interest, because for me both of those factors make the ‘vax worked’ narrative disqualified. But I don’t work in healthcare, so these stories are second hand to me as well.

Re: Immunity changes and spike distribution after the vax

[dendroica]

I don't work in healthcare either, but I don't think all of the reporting doctors were making things up - particularly those like "IMDoc" often quoted here who noted when the shots *stopped* working and more of their hospitalized patients were vaccinated.

1. Not entirely, but the overall pattern appears to me to be consistent with a transient protection against infection.

2. I don't have a model per se, and the statistical tricks (e.g. folks not considered vaccinated until two weeks after their second shot) certainly helped to overinflate vax efficacy. I only know that I sought to identify signal in the noise at all times, and that in spring and summer 2021 it appeared to me that the shots were quite effective at blocking severe illness and at least somewhat protective against infection - to the point that I was seriously considering taking them even being aware of the known and unknown risks. That said, their degree of efficacy never appeared to support the "unvaxxed are superspreaders" claims or the idea that the virus could be eradicated by universal vaccination, and it waned rapidly as early as 3-6 months post-injection and then went to zero or negative once Omicron came on the scene. Omicron also pretty much destroyed the "protection against severe illness" claim, because even as the shots appeared to have no or minimal effect on severity and Omicron strains proved to be less dangerous than the flu in terms of acute death rates.

It does seem to me that there is a sort of revisionism underway at the moment, where it is becoming important on one side to say that the shots never had any benefit whatsoever and it was all fraud and statistical gimmickry. I don't happen to find those arguments convincing, and I'm not sure why it is less reasonable to accept that the shots mostly succeeded in the very limited tests to which they were subjected and then promptly (and not surprisingly) failed when reality moved beyond the timeframes and conditions of the tests.

Re: Immunity changes and spike distribution after the vax

[stubborn_ass]

I have followed IM DOC's postings on nakedcap even before someone started collating it here. We are not doing revisionism, as IM DOC himself noted that the shots weren't really effective anymore by Jul '21. That was still in the peak of Delta. And since the US was jabbed before UK/Iceland/Denmark, we later had figures coming out from there showing the same negative efficacy. All that happened within the first 6 months of people getting their shots - for sure.

I've had the same conversations with healthcare-related workers / friends here.. and they were adamant that the shots were useful in preventing hospitalization, as it was mainly the unvexed in the hospitals. (1) I pointed out that on top of the statistical 'quirks' used for defining unvexed, even in SG. (2) If you were not jabbed, they had a policy of pulling such folks who tested positive into the hospitals and they would be stuck there for a week or two - whether they really needed to be hospitalized or not. Again, political points trumped rational treatment protocols. (3) When presenting ICU figures, it was always a very selective moment in time, and I had indications that folks were moved from ICU to high-dependancy wards easily, so show that only a certain undesireable category was in ICU - as that was the only number being reported. So just 3 quick examples that the same playbook used elsewhere around the world, was also being employed in Singapore. I was following the media coverage worldwide way before then, and the exact same templates was also being used in the press releases. They were so lazy, they simply used the pony-paste derogatory term even in countries which didn't rear horses and folks would have no frame of reference. It was so obvious that orders were passed down, and the facade of autonomy was shorn off real quick.

That is why I lost all trust in the official medical system here, that so many folks within could be so easily conned into ignoring their own lying eyes. Oh, the same situation occurred when folks started to get nasty side effects and got gaslighted by doctors who refused to categorized it as such - again under orders from MOH, just like everywhere else. I saw the official memos as I have enough doctor friends who passed them on to me to show that their hands were tied - (aka paying their mortgages mattered more than their conscience). We have seen that exact same playbook in pretty much all the highly vexed countries.. again and again. The extra kicker was that the govt started giving all clinics an extra $10K a month.. .for being such 'heros' in the fight against covid. That's when the clinics started to be bulging with folks being increasingly ill with all sorts of ailments from a weakened immune system , on top of the cumulative side effects from taking the carrot. That's an obvious bribe to keep their mouths shut to keep the gravy train going. So in 2 years, my friend who runs a 2 man clinic, collected an additional $240K to split between them.

Re: Immunity changes and spike distribution after the vax

[(Anonymous)]

It may be as you say, but I am also considering a hypothesis that apparent effectiveness of the jabs had to do with healthcare settings exposure -- the PPE setup is to protect the nurse testing or jabbing, not the public coming through. All the people who were jabbed were exposed to a healthcare setting at least twice, and healthcare settings were the major route by which covid was spreading. So everyone who got sick right away was discounted as unvaxed, because 'the jab is only effective after two weeks', and a good proportion of everyone else has had an exposure to the virus which didn't result in an infection but which may still have had a role in priming the immune system so those people were less likely to get covid for a while longer.

Re: Immunity changes and spike distribution after the vax

[(Anonymous)]

They did prevent one of the more common causes of death, the cytokine storm. Or so it's claimed. Its one of the few arguments that dont appear to be false at the first glance. Unlike the claim that the vaccines prevent infection, which was clearly a lie right from the start.

Personally I think Mathew Crawford is right in believing all positive effects of the vaccine to be mere statistical illusion.

Take his latest blog post as an example https://roundingtheearth.substack.com/p/the-saic-data-shows-zero-vaccine